Help on first PC Build?

[Tony1048576]

Budget (including currency): $1500 NZD, excluding Graphics Card

Country: New Zealand

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Just playing games, hopefully with RTX on at 4k, as well as doing regular everyday stuff like using Word etc.

I have a 4k monitor, although it doesn't have HDR. I'm planning on getting a second monitor, probably 1080p 60Hz.

My current Parts List:

Ryzen 7 5700G

RTX 3070 Ti (Which I will get after the shortage ends which is hopefully soon)

Kingston Fury 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3200MHz CL16 RAM

Cooler master 550W 80+ Bronze PSU

NZXT H510 Case

NZXT Kraken X63 AIO Cooler

Kingston NVMe SSD PCIe Gen.3 1TB SSD

 

Any recommendations or tips? Thanks

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Garbage case with no airflow, get a mesh case instead like the p300-400a, lancool mesh, etc.

 

Aio is completely uneccesary, a decent dual tower aircooler  will be enough if you want to overclock, though if you are only ocing igpu and no cpu ocing then go for a single tower

 

You def want to upgrade the psu, atleast 750w if you want to upgrade to a 3070ti, or you can go for a cheaper 450 or 500w then once you upgrade with a 3070 you also upgrade the psu

[matt4realz]

I would say that a 3070Ti for 4K with RTX on will be very taxing. You should consider expanding your budget to accommodate a 3080 instead.

 

If you wish to still stick with your 3070Ti, the minimum recommendation for a PSU would be 750W, 550W will not cut it at all. I believe that the one thing we should never skimp on, is a good power supply. Otherwise, you might just end up frying your system, just like with the Gigabyte PSU issues that have been happening.

[Dr0idGh0sT]

One extra thing, You should not pair 3200 Rams to that CPU, Get at least 3600 mhz rams... 

[Tony1048576]

18 hours ago, matt4realz said:

I would say that a 3070Ti for 4K with RTX on will be very taxing. You should consider expanding your budget to accommodate a 3080 instead.

 

If you wish to still stick with your 3070Ti, the minimum recommendation for a PSU would be 750W, 550W will not cut it at all. I believe that the one thing we should never skimp on, is a good power supply. Otherwise, you might just end up frying your system, just like with the Gigabyte PSU issues that have been happening.

I checked some power supply calculators, they all said I needed around 500-550 W PSUs. I have no idea why. I guess I could just buy a 450W for now and upgrade later when I get the 3070Ti/3080?

[Tony1048576]

13 hours ago, Dr0idGh0sT said:

One extra thing, You should not pair 3200 Rams to that CPU, Get at least 3600 mhz rams... 

It says "System Memory Specification: Up to 3200MHz" on the AMD website, would there be any difference if the CPU doesn't support it?

[Kronion]

Is the Ryzen 7 5700G meant as a stopgap solution until you get a GPU? If not, I'd consider getting a 5600X or 5800X. No reason to get one of the G cards otherwise. They work fine, but don't support Gen 4 PCIe (that actually isn't much of a hindrance at least right now) and have a smaller L3 cache (which actually does hinder performance). Might even be worth to throw in a used GPU, if you have one available instead.

15 minutes ago, Tony1048576 said:

It says "System Memory Specification: Up to 3200MHz" on the AMD website, would there be any difference if the CPU doesn't support it?

It's usually no problem to run 3600 Mhz memory on Ryzen 5000 CPUs. Technically it's an overclock (XMP profile), but it works in almost all cases as far as I'm aware of.

[Tony1048576]

49 minutes ago, Kronion said:

Is the Ryzen 7 5700G meant as a stopgap solution until you get a GPU?

Yeah it is, also, according to benchmarks, 5700G is better on some of them, but 5600X is better on others, so it's kind of confusing. Also, I have no GPUs, and they're not really cheap on trademe (Which is like New Zealand Ebay).

 

57 minutes ago, Kronion said:

It's usually no problem to run 3600 Mhz memory on Ryzen 5000 CPUs. Technically it's an overclock (XMP profile), but it works in almost all cases as far as I'm aware of.

I mean is there really much of a performance difference? Because 3600MHz RAM sticks are around 1/3 more expensive.

[Kronion]

34 minutes ago, Tony1048576 said:

I mean is there really much of a performance difference? Because 3600MHz RAM sticks are around 1/3 more expensive.

RAM performance is actually a little more complicated than just clock speed. There's latency to consider as well - from what I know CL16 3600 Mhz RAM is considered the "sweet spot" for Ryzen 5000 CPUs. The APUs share RAM with everything else since they don't have dedicated VRAM, so speed and latency do matter a little more than usual. Might be worth paying a little more.

 

34 minutes ago, Tony1048576 said:

Yeah it is, also, according to benchmarks, 5700G is better on some of them, but 5600X is better on others, so it's kind of confusing.

Single-core performance is usually better on the 5600X, multi-core on the 5700G. But the 5700G isn't actually that much faster even on multi-core applications and certainly not worth a price hike of around 100 Euros (in Germany the 5700G costs around 360 € while the 5600X costs around 260 €).

That being said, I would still consider the 5700G a worthwhile stopgap solution.

 

Keep in mind though, that almost all motherboards need a BIOS update to actually work with the 5000 APUs. I don't think there are many boards (if any at all) that work with them out of the box.

[Tony1048576]

1 hour ago, Kronion said:

RAM performance is actually a little more complicated than just clock speed. There's latency to consider as well - from what I know CL16 3600 Mhz RAM is considered the "sweet spot" for Ryzen 5000 CPUs. The APUs share RAM with everything else since they don't have dedicated VRAM, so speed and latency do matter a little more than usual. Might be worth paying a little more.

Hmm I'll have a look, thanks for the recommendation!

 

1 hour ago, Kronion said:

Keep in mind though, that almost all motherboards need a BIOS update to actually work with the 5000 APUs. I don't think there are many boards (if any at all) that work with them out of the box.

Yeah I'm looking at motherboards which have USB Flash Update, so that should be fine.

[Ahmad nabil]

just please upgrade the psu.. atleast 700/750w

22 hours ago, Tony1048576 said:

Budget (including currency): $1500 NZD, excluding Graphics Card

Country: New Zealand

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Just playing games, hopefully with RTX on at 4k, as well as doing regular everyday stuff like using Word etc.

I have a 4k monitor, although it doesn't have HDR. I'm planning on getting a second monitor, probably 1080p 60Hz.

My current Parts List:

Ryzen 7 5700G

RTX 3070 Ti (Which I will get after the shortage ends which is hopefully soon)

Kingston Fury 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3200MHz CL16 RAM

Cooler master 550W 80+ Bronze PSU

NZXT H510 Case

NZXT Kraken X63 AIO Cooler

Kingston NVMe SSD PCIe Gen.3 1TB SSD

 

Any recommendations or tips? Thanks

 

[Dr0idGh0sT]

Yeah, RAM speeds do matter, Especially with G series CPU, Because as already said, It's integrated graphics don't have dedicated Vram, So it'll be using RAM's shared memory. The faster, Better, Even consider going for no 4000mhz

This is lottle old video,But it does explain how memory works with Ryzen CPU's and nowadays you can get even higher speed memory's with lower latency. 

 

 

You can also watch this to see what 5700G can do with high speed memory.

https://youtu.be/LDB2BikDYZU

[Tony1048576]

15 hours ago, Dr0idGh0sT said:

Yeah, RAM speeds do matter, Especially with G series CPU, Because as already said, It's integrated graphics don't have dedicated Vram, So it'll be using RAM's shared memory. The faster, Better, Even consider going for no 4000mhz

This is lottle old video,But it does explain how memory works with Ryzen CPU's and nowadays you can get even higher speed memory's with lower latency. 

 

 

 

You can also watch this to see what 5700G can do with high speed memory.

https://youtu.be/LDB2BikDYZU

Hmm interesting. I'll take a look into it. Thanks for the advice anyway!

[Tony1048576]

19 hours ago, Ahmad nabil said:

just please upgrade the psu.. atleast 700/750w

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6tCp7X

Says estimated wattage is 480W? Also tried on Power Supply Calculator | Cooler Master as well as Power Supply Calculator - PSU Calculator | OuterVision, All said I would need around 480W-520W of power.

 

 

[Ahmad nabil]

3 hours ago, Tony1048576 said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6tCp7X

Says estimated wattage is 480W? Also tried on Power Supply Calculator | Cooler Master as well as Power Supply Calculator - PSU Calculator | OuterVision, All said I would need around 480W-520W of power.

 

 

its a 3070 ti its going to have spikes so like 40% more the recommendation 

 

[Tony1048576]

56 minutes ago, Ahmad nabil said:

its a 3070 ti its going to have spikes so like 40% more the recommendation 

 

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Founders Edition Review - Power Consumption | TechPowerUp

Spikes at 350W, I have enough clearance with a 550W PSU. 

[Dr0idGh0sT]

4 hours ago, Tony1048576 said:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Founders Edition Review - Power Consumption | TechPowerUp

Spikes at 350W, I have enough clearance with a 550W PSU. 

My English is not good enough, But I'll try to explain it how I can.

550W rated power supply is not efficient enough to output 550W, So going with 550W means, You'll have your power supply running mostly on 100% load, that is bad for your power supply longevity, As well as it is not efficient enough and most likely won't be able output enough power for your system while it's on load. It's absolutely necessary  to go with at least 650W, But it's safer bat to buy 750W, as it won't be running at high load, Because there won't be this amount of power required, Meaning your power supply will work more efficient and stable and it also affect longevity in good way. That's why you should always go Higher than potential required power. Especialy when there isn't much difference in price. 

[Tony1048576]

On 9/3/2021 at 7:11 PM, Dr0idGh0sT said:

My English is not good enough, But I'll try to explain it how I can.

550W rated power supply is not efficient enough to output 550W, So going with 550W means, You'll have your power supply running mostly on 100% load, that is bad for your power supply longevity, As well as it is not efficient enough and most likely won't be able output enough power for your system while it's on load. It's absolutely necessary  to go with at least 650W, But it's safer bat to buy 750W, as it won't be running at high load, Because there won't be this amount of power required, Meaning your power supply will work more efficient and stable and it also affect longevity in good way. That's why you should always go Higher than potential required power. Especialy when there isn't much difference in price. 

Ok, I already bought a 750W one anyway, because it was the only one that was fully modular. Thanks anyway.