Extremely hot wheather. (Overclocking Nightmare)

[TechFan@ic]

I live in one of the 10 hottest cities in the world, it's so ridiculously hot here we have a running joke on how we have 6 months of summer every year 3 months of spring and 3 months of hell.

Needless to say, we rarely overclock purely because of the heat.

I personally have to have the aircon on at all times when I'm playing any games, turning it off for a few minutes results in the CPU massively overheating and the system shutting down.

That's why a few months back I've decided to try extreme cooling solutions to cool my system, I had no luck acquiring any of the hardware needed though due to shipping costs.

So I'm looking for some sort of water cooling kit (resevroir,pump,radiator and tubing) I can get from amazon.com without having to pay butloads of money on shipping (shipping costs are 20$ for the first pound and 10$ more for each pound over).

That's why I've been so avidly waiting for the kraken x60, but after referring to a number of reviews the performance of the x60 leaves something to be desired for me personally at least.

So I'm looking for suggestions on cooling solutions that offer better performance but not for a lot more money.

I have a HAF XM case , so I can fit a triple radiator @ the top natively...

[airdeano]

what is the room temperature you are in?

what is the overclock?

what is the temperature of the overclock under load?

airdeano

[Gmac]

I know this is not really what you are asking for, because by no means does this fall under the cheap category. But you could use a water chiller for you PC. They make one for PCs but the ones for aquariums tend to be cheaper. I have thought about using them myself but they start around $300(like i said not cheap and i just wonder what they would cost to ship to you. I cant imagine they are light.)

But all that being said i live in a very hot area of the world. I know what AC can cost from an electricity bill per month. So if you have to pay for electricity it might be a very good opinion for you. But if you dont have to pay for the AC just crank it up and start working on a good water cooling loop.

[TechFan@ic]

what is the room temperature you are in?

what is the overclock?

what is the temperature of the overclock under load?

airdeano

The room temperature fluctuates depending on the air con (25-35 Centigrade/Celsius)

I do not overclock because of the heat issues, the CPU overheats without any overclocking to begin with .

CPU temperatures reach the 80-90 range which is unsafe, that's why I set a temperature alarm in the BIOS (The alarm is actually set to 70c by default, but the CPU is almost always over 70c, so upped to 80c), as soon as I hear that I shut my system down immediately to avoid any damage to the CPU.

[TechFan@ic]

I know this is not really what you are asking for, because by no means does this fall under the cheap category. But you could use a water chiller for you PC. They make one for PCs but the ones for aquariums tend to be cheaper. I have thought about using them myself but they start around $300(like i said not cheap and i just wonder what they would cost to ship to you. I cant imagine they are light.)

But all that being said i live in a very hot area of the world. I know what AC can cost from an electricity bill per month. So if you have to pay for electricity it might be a very good opinion for you. But if you dont have to pay for the AC just crank it up and start working on a good water cooling loop.

I've looked into chillers before, they seem to be very good, but I have to have a water loop first to use a chiller, so I though I should try a liquid cooling setup and see if it works then consider whether a chiller is needed or not.

[airdeano]

I know this is not really what you are asking for' date=' because by no means does this fall under the cheap category. But you could use a water chiller for you PC. They make one for PCs but the ones for aquariums tend to be cheaper. I have thought about using them myself but they start around $300(like i said not cheap and i just wonder what they would cost to ship to you. I cant imagine they are light.) But all that being said i live in a very hot area of the world. I know what AC can cost from an electricity bill per month. So if you have to pay for electricity it might be a very good opinion for you. But if you dont have to pay for the AC just crank it up and start working on a good water cooling loop. [/quote']

chillers are fabulous for 5-45% humidity climates. chillers can work well in all situations, but then

if set too low below dew-point, condensation starts and .. well computer sweat and electronics

make smoke and then be all broken. you can try to insulate the tubing, CPU/GPU blocks but it then

turns to be unattractive to look at over functionality.

airdeano

[Gmac]

I know this is not really what you are asking for, because by no means does this fall under the cheap category. But you could use a water chiller for you PC. They make one for PCs but the ones for aquariums tend to be cheaper. I have thought about using them myself but they start around $300(like i said not cheap and i just wonder what they would cost to ship to you. I cant imagine they are light.)

But all that being said i live in a very hot area of the world. I know what AC can cost from an electricity bill per month. So if you have to pay for electricity it might be a very good opinion for you. But if you dont have to pay for the AC just crank it up and start working on a good water cooling loop.

It is something you could upgrade to in the future if you had the will and the cash but you have to remember that it will make something like rads useless in your loop and you will want to remove them. So if you are serious about it dont waste your money on a Rad and i think some have pumps built into them so you wouldnt need one of those. You would want to do some real research before doing anything.

[Gmac]

I know this is not really what you are asking for' date=' because by no means does this fall under the cheap category. But you could use a water chiller for you PC. They make one for PCs but the ones for aquariums tend to be cheaper. I have thought about using them myself but they start around $300(like i said not cheap and i just wonder what they would cost to ship to you. I cant imagine they are light.) But all that being said i live in a very hot area of the world. I know what AC can cost from an electricity bill per month. So if you have to pay for electricity it might be a very good opinion for you. But if you dont have to pay for the AC just crank it up and start working on a good water cooling loop. [/quote']

chillers are fabulous for 5-45% humidity climates. chillers can work well in all situations, but then

if set too low below dew-point, condensation starts and .. well computer sweat and electronics

make smoke and then be all broken. you can try to insulate the tubing, CPU/GPU blocks but it then

turns to be unattractive to look at over functionality.

airdeano

That is a very good point about the dew point on the artificial regeneration. Good way to trash a system.

[TechFan@ic]

I know this is not really what you are asking for' date=' because by no means does this fall under the cheap category. But you could use a water chiller for you PC. They make one for PCs but the ones for aquariums tend to be cheaper. I have thought about using them myself but they start around $300(like i said not cheap and i just wonder what they would cost to ship to you. I cant imagine they are light.) But all that being said i live in a very hot area of the world. I know what AC can cost from an electricity bill per month. So if you have to pay for electricity it might be a very good opinion for you. But if you dont have to pay for the AC just crank it up and start working on a good water cooling loop. [/quote']

chillers are fabulous for 5-45% humidity climates. chillers can work well in all situations, but then

if set too low below dew-point, condensation starts and .. well computer sweat and electronics

make smoke and then be all broken. you can try to insulate the tubing, CPU/GPU blocks but it then

turns to be unattractive to look at over functionality.

airdeano

Can you please elaborate ? Does it cause condensation to occur on the surface of the coolant tubes?

[TechFan@ic]

I know this is not really what you are asking for, because by no means does this fall under the cheap category. But you could use a water chiller for you PC. They make one for PCs but the ones for aquariums tend to be cheaper. I have thought about using them myself but they start around $300(like i said not cheap and i just wonder what they would cost to ship to you. I cant imagine they are light.)

But all that being said i live in a very hot area of the world. I know what AC can cost from an electricity bill per month. So if you have to pay for electricity it might be a very good opinion for you. But if you dont have to pay for the AC just crank it up and start working on a good water cooling loop.

From what I've read you just add a chiller to your already existing water cooling loop .

[Gmac]

I know this is not really what you are asking for' date=' because by no means does this fall under the cheap category. But you could use a water chiller for you PC. They make one for PCs but the ones for aquariums tend to be cheaper. I have thought about using them myself but they start around $300(like i said not cheap and i just wonder what they would cost to ship to you. I cant imagine they are light.) But all that being said i live in a very hot area of the world. I know what AC can cost from an electricity bill per month. So if you have to pay for electricity it might be a very good opinion for you. But if you dont have to pay for the AC just crank it up and start working on a good water cooling loop. [/quote']

chillers are fabulous for 5-45% humidity climates. chillers can work well in all situations, but then

if set too low below dew-point, condensation starts and .. well computer sweat and electronics

make smoke and then be all broken. you can try to insulate the tubing, CPU/GPU blocks but it then

turns to be unattractive to look at over functionality.

airdeano

It could cause condensation on the coolant tubes but seeing as they are plastic and tend to be not get super cold. More likely it would it to form somewhere that is metal. What ever can get cold enough to drop before the dew point could possibly form condensation . But no matter where it formed its going to find the lowest point on the loop and pool where ever that happens to be. But most likely that is the video card. So it is possible that it would drip down on to that or maybe the PSU under it and cause damage.

[Gmac]

I know this is not really what you are asking for, because by no means does this fall under the cheap category. But you could use a water chiller for you PC. They make one for PCs but the ones for aquariums tend to be cheaper. I have thought about using them myself but they start around $300(like i said not cheap and i just wonder what they would cost to ship to you. I cant imagine they are light.)

But all that being said i live in a very hot area of the world. I know what AC can cost from an electricity bill per month. So if you have to pay for electricity it might be a very good opinion for you. But if you dont have to pay for the AC just crank it up and start working on a good water cooling loop.

I know at the very least you would want to remove any rads you have. You would be wasting your delta-t on cooling the air around the rad.

[TechFan@ic]

I know this is not really what you are asking for' date=' because by no means does this fall under the cheap category. But you could use a water chiller for you PC. They make one for PCs but the ones for aquariums tend to be cheaper. I have thought about using them myself but they start around $300(like i said not cheap and i just wonder what they would cost to ship to you. I cant imagine they are light.) But all that being said i live in a very hot area of the world. I know what AC can cost from an electricity bill per month. So if you have to pay for electricity it might be a very good opinion for you. But if you dont have to pay for the AC just crank it up and start working on a good water cooling loop. [/quote']

chillers are fabulous for 5-45% humidity climates. chillers can work well in all situations, but then

if set too low below dew-point, condensation starts and .. well computer sweat and electronics

make smoke and then be all broken. you can try to insulate the tubing, CPU/GPU blocks but it then

turns to be unattractive to look at over functionality.

airdeano

How are we supposed to deal with condensation then ?

[Gmac]

I know this is not really what you are asking for' date=' because by no means does this fall under the cheap category. But you could use a water chiller for you PC. They make one for PCs but the ones for aquariums tend to be cheaper. I have thought about using them myself but they start around $300(like i said not cheap and i just wonder what they would cost to ship to you. I cant imagine they are light.) But all that being said i live in a very hot area of the world. I know what AC can cost from an electricity bill per month. So if you have to pay for electricity it might be a very good opinion for you. But if you dont have to pay for the AC just crank it up and start working on a good water cooling loop. [/quote']

chillers are fabulous for 5-45% humidity climates. chillers can work well in all situations, but then

if set too low below dew-point, condensation starts and .. well computer sweat and electronics

make smoke and then be all broken. you can try to insulate the tubing, CPU/GPU blocks but it then

turns to be unattractive to look at over functionality.

airdeano

Like airdeano said you can use insulation to cover everything that might be a problem. You could also make sure you install everything so your lowest point is not somewhere important. Like the tubing to the chiller. But i think most chillers have ways to control the lowest temp. so you can set it so it never goes below a certain temp.

[Dim]

I live in Brisbane, Australia.

Currently it is around 35C and expected to hit above 40C in a few days...

Terrible, terrible, atrocious for OC'ing.

[TechFan@ic]

I know this is not really what you are asking for' date=' because by no means does this fall under the cheap category. But you could use a water chiller for you PC. They make one for PCs but the ones for aquariums tend to be cheaper. I have thought about using them myself but they start around $300(like i said not cheap and i just wonder what they would cost to ship to you. I cant imagine they are light.) But all that being said i live in a very hot area of the world. I know what AC can cost from an electricity bill per month. So if you have to pay for electricity it might be a very good opinion for you. But if you dont have to pay for the AC just crank it up and start working on a good water cooling loop. [/quote']

chillers are fabulous for 5-45% humidity climates. chillers can work well in all situations, but then

if set too low below dew-point, condensation starts and .. well computer sweat and electronics

make smoke and then be all broken. you can try to insulate the tubing, CPU/GPU blocks but it then

turns to be unattractive to look at over functionality.

airdeano

I've checked some chillers from various websites and they're way too heavy to ship, so I'll probably just go with a custom loop and see how that goes.

After all even if my ambient is 35 a delta of 30 would keep my cpu under 70c which is my target, a good loop should manage to do that.

Can you give me some advice on which parts to go with ?

which triple rad, pump,CPU block,fittings etc...

[TechFan@ic]

My older brother is studying at Monash University in Melbourne, says the weather there in the summer (now) is colder than it is here in the winter T_T .

[killerx525]

I'm from Melbourne, and the temps has been really high which has my cpu max temp exceed for a few days despite having a beefy cooler (NH-D14). I have no aircon, a just a gutless fan which barely does anything. And yes, your brother is right, it is really cool right now which is great as now my system is within safe temps. I've been running Folding home hence why the high temps.

[Gmac]

I would recommend a good water cooling starter kit. It will all come down to what you really want to pay. But i would say if you are going for a CPU block and a triple 120mm rad it is going to be somewhere around $300. Not cheap but it will work well. As to what brand that is pretty much up to you. They tend to all perform very close to each other when it comes to cooling. I would say dont cheap out on the pump or fans. Some brands to check out would be XSPC (what i use and love), EK, Koolance, Alphacool, Swiftech.

Start with this.

Http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l1/g30/Liquid_Cooling.html

Just do your research and pick what you like. Its pretty hard to pick bad water cooling gear if you spend the money. Bad items tend to get pulled pretty quickly in the water cooling world. But do you research. I can give some suggestions on that if you need.

[TechFan@ic]

I would recommend a good water cooling starter kit. It will all come down to what you really want to pay. But i would say if you are going for a CPU block and a triple 120mm rad it is going to be somewhere around $300. Not cheap but it will work well. As to what brand that is pretty much up to you. They tend to all perform very close to each other when it comes to cooling. I would say dont cheap out on the pump or fans. Some brands to check out would be XSPC (what i use and love), EK, Koolance, Alphacool, Swiftech.

Start with this.

Http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l1/g30/Liquid_Cooling.html

Just do your research and pick what you like. Its pretty hard to pick bad water cooling gear if you spend the money. Bad items tend to get pulled pretty quickly in the water cooling world. But do you research. I can give some suggestions on that if you need.

Can you give me some basic tips like where to mount the pump ? a lot of people recommend that that pump is mounted on top to improve flow .

Is there any truth to that ?

[Gmac]

I would recommend a good water cooling starter kit. It will all come down to what you really want to pay. But i would say if you are going for a CPU block and a triple 120mm rad it is going to be somewhere around $300. Not cheap but it will work well. As to what brand that is pretty much up to you. They tend to all perform very close to each other when it comes to cooling. I would say dont cheap out on the pump or fans. Some brands to check out would be XSPC (what i use and love), EK, Koolance, Alphacool, Swiftech.

Start with this.

Http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l1/g30/Liquid_Cooling.html

Just do your research and pick what you like. Its pretty hard to pick bad water cooling gear if you spend the money. Bad items tend to get pulled pretty quickly in the water cooling world. But do you research. I can give some suggestions on that if you need.

Let me give you some things to read about water cooling. I am happy to answer any questions you have. Im no expert but i really got into water cooling in the last year and i have read lots and lots that has to do with it.

But to answer your quest about the pump; the thought is if you mount the pump and res at the top of the loop it will increase the pressure in the rest of the loop. Im sure it does but it really wont be that much. Or at the very least it wont make any real noticeable difference.

Really the best place to start is with one of Linus's videos. Well really 4 of them:

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4

Watch those once or twice and if you have any questions or want more information send me a PM and ill send you a bunch to read.

I think i should write a sticky it seems i answer these questions everyday. :)

[Whaler_99]

Here are some:

http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Triple-Radiator-Cooling-Updated/dp/B008PA1TPM/ref=sr_1_26?ie=UTF8&qid=1357711123&sr=8-26&keywords=water+cooling+kit

http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Triple-Radiator-Cooling-Updated/dp/B008PA1UB0/ref=sr_1_36?ie=UTF8&qid=1357711184&sr=8-36&keywords=water+cooling+kit

Both of those are good starter kits - hopefully not to expensive for you to ship.

[airdeano]

I know this is not really what you are asking for' date=' because by no means does this fall under the cheap category. But you could use a water chiller for you PC. They make one for PCs but the ones for aquariums tend to be cheaper. I have thought about using them myself but they start around $300(like i said not cheap and i just wonder what they would cost to ship to you. I cant imagine they are light.) But all that being said i live in a very hot area of the world. I know what AC can cost from an electricity bill per month. So if you have to pay for electricity it might be a very good opinion for you. But if you dont have to pay for the AC just crank it up and start working on a good water cooling loop. [/quote']

chillers are fabulous for 5-45% humidity climates. chillers can work well in all situations, but then

if set too low below dew-point, condensation starts and .. well computer sweat and electronics

make smoke and then be all broken. you can try to insulate the tubing, CPU/GPU blocks but it then

turns to be unattractive to look at over functionality.

airdeano

After all even if my ambient is 35 a delta of 30 would keep my cpu under 70c which is my target, a good loop should manage to do that. Can you give me some advice on which parts to go with ? which triple rad, pump,CPU block,fittings etc...

whats the system specs and case?

airdeano

[Gmac]

Here are some:

http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Triple-Radiator-Cooling-Updated/dp/B008PA1TPM/ref=sr_1_26?ie=UTF8&qid=1357711123&sr=8-26&keywords=water+cooling+kit

http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Triple-Radiator-Cooling-Updated/dp/B008PA1UB0/ref=sr_1_36?ie=UTF8&qid=1357711184&sr=8-36&keywords=water+cooling+kit

Both of those are good starter kits - hopefully not to expensive for you to ship.

They really are good kits but they come with not the best pumps. They come with what is essentially an aquarium pump. Im sure it would work but i would spend the extra money and get something with a laning DDC or a laning D5 pump.

[Whaler_99]

Here are some:

http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Triple-Radiator-Cooling-Updated/dp/B008PA1TPM/ref=sr_1_26?ie=UTF8&qid=1357711123&sr=8-26&keywords=water+cooling+kit

http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Triple-Radiator-Cooling-Updated/dp/B008PA1UB0/ref=sr_1_36?ie=UTF8&qid=1357711184&sr=8-36&keywords=water+cooling+kit

Both of those are good starter kits - hopefully not to expensive for you to ship.

Gmac - I tend to disagree. A lot of the reviews talk about the newer X2O 750 solution having a pretty good pump, although not near the caliber of the D5. But, most people, esp starting out with a base kit, don't need a D5. Maybe if you have 3 blocks, couple of rads, need the flow, then yes, a D5 or similar is the way to go. But as part of the kit, that X2O 720 is a pretty good pump. Will last a while, and when you are ready to upgrade to "uber" system you can then also look at a pump upgrade. :)