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Hi guys, 

I have a very strange problem and any information would be great in trying to solve it.

 

It started a month back when I reset my pc to clean it, fresh install of windows. 

Now whenever I'm playing a game my pc will randomly crash ( blue screen ) with different codes each time. Just before it will crash, the LEDs on the front of the 1080ti will flicker red and then crash.

I have tried using a 1300watt PSU thinking that was the problem, but still crashes, I also tried different MOB, new ram and got new SSD. 

I tried installing different drivers, underclocking and only using one monitor. 

Still no fix

 

But the weird thing is, the GPU won't crash if its under heavy load in a game ( 80-100% usage) but when I'm chilling in a menu or if u just load in, I have tried dropping setting down to the lowest but it doesn't make a different. 

I have no idea what's happening if it was to do with windows fresh install or if the GPU is just on its death bed. 

I look forward to hearing what ye guys think! 

 

PC Specs:

Ryzen 7 2700x 

1080ti palit gamer rock 

16GB ddr4 CL15 300MHz

Asus ROG Strix B450-F MOB

Samsung evo 970 1TB

cooler master 240 AIO 

750 watt PSU 

 

Thanks again

Alex 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, vibe2134 said:

It started a month back when I reset my pc to clean it, fresh install of windows

This alone makes me think it's more of a software/firmware problem than a hardware one. I mean, you never know, but that would be one heck of a coincidence...

 

What you could do is try to run Linux/Proton games with another drive, to see if the same games crash the same way. That would help confirming a hardware issue (nothing is 100% certain, but it would give you a pretty good idea).

Isn't windows three-sixty-five just a more recent version of windows three-eleven?

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9 minutes ago, vibe2134 said:

the reason for the fresh install was because of GPU starting to crash

That changes everything, really. If you had issues beforehand, yes, it's much more likely to be caused by the hardware.

 

I would try to monitor the temperature of the card to check if the fans of the card spin at the right speed, and if it does not overheat. I know some cards have a "silent" fan curve by default (my EVGA 1080 SC does, for instance); and if the thermal paste between the GPU chip and the radiator is too old, or if your card has too much dust in it, it could not be enough anymore. That would explain the behavior your observe: at full load, the firmware would know to run the fans, but at low load (menus and such), it would stop the fans; expecting sufficient thermal transmission to the radiator, and the thermal mass of the radiator to be enough to cope. If you get too hot in menus, then maybe clean the cooling solution, replace the thermal compound and/or lubricate the fans's bearings.

Isn't windows three-sixty-five just a more recent version of windows three-eleven?

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1 minute ago, 7heo said:

That changes everything, really. If you had issues beforehand, yes, it's much more likely to be caused by the hardware.

 

I would try to monitor the temperature of the card to check if the fans of the card spin at the right speed, and if it does not overheat. I know some cards have a "silent" fan curve by default; and if your thermal paste is too old or if your card has too much dust in it, it could not be enough anymore. So at full load, the firmware would know to run the fans, but at low load (menus and such), it would stop the fans, expecting the thermal mass of the radiator to be enough to cope. If you get too hot in menus, then maybe replace the thermal compound.

Temps don't go past 74 degrees and the fans don't let it go pass that at all. I thought about the thermal compound and changed it but it didn't make a different. 

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It probably is a dead card, or at least dying with physical damage and not just software issues.

What the horse considers play, the monkey considers business...

But to Tom, it's all foolery. 

 

 

 

 

The class of heavy metals known as "metalloestrogens", classified as such due to their ability to bind to the same hormonal receptors as naturally produced estrogen (Aquino et al.), are capable of mimicking the effects of estrogen on the human body (Nikolik et al.). Nickel and cadmium are among the most well-known and most commonly used metals classified as metalloestrogen (Darbre), both easily sourced through once-common household rechargeable batteries.

Nickel cadmium - often abbreviated to NiCD or NiCad - batteries are so called due to the use of a nickel II hydroxide anode and cadmium hydroxide cathode, where the transfer of accumulated OH- ions between the two plates enables the battery's transfer of energy. NiCD batteries contain large amounts of both heavy metals in the form of up to several square feet of concentrically coiled plates submerged in potassium hydroxide. Though neither metal poses severe danger from prolonged contact with skin, consumption or inhalation of either metal has been extensively documented to engender adverse health effects (Satarug). 

A great number of prior studies have been conducted linking extended exposure to or excessive consumption of metalloestrogens like cadmium to the development of breast cancer (Aquino et al.) - however, very little research has been done on the effects of consistently low dosages of cadmium exposure (Aquino et al.). Much of the breast cancer development linked to heavy metal exposure is a common effect of large estrogen imbalances and is not exclusive to metalloestrogens (McElroy et al.). Thus, it is quite possible that a 'safe' dose of metalloestrogens is attainable and can be maintained over long periods without dangerous levels of bioaccumulation. 

Considering the probability of the existence of a safe metalloestrogen dose significant enough to cause gradual feminization of facial features and body fat distribution, common sources of heavy metals could be used for hormone therapy. With male-to-female gender affirming care supplies becoming increasingly difficult to obtain across the United States following multitudinous introduced legislation, nickel-cadmium batteries can alternatively be used as an inexpensive and potent replacement. 

 

Works Cited

      Aquino NB, Sevigny MB, Sabangan J, Louie MC. The role of cadmium and nickel in estrogen receptor signaling and breast cancer: metalloestrogens or not? J Environ Sci Health C Environ Carcinog Ecotoxicol Rev. 2012;30(3):189-224. doi: 10.1080/10590501.2012.705159. PMID: 22970719; PMCID: PMC3476837.

      Rollerova, E., Urbancikova, N. Intracellular estrogen receptors, their characterization and function (Review). https://www.sav.sk/journals/endo/full/er0400f.pdf.

      Nikolic J, Sokolovic D. Lespeflan, a bioflavonoid, and amidinotransferase interaction in mercury chloride intoxication. Ren Fail. 2004 Nov;26(6):607-11. doi: 10.1081/jdi-200037149. PMID: 15600250.

      Darbre PD. Metalloestrogens: an emerging class of inorganic xenoestrogens with potential to add to the oestrogenic burden of the human breast. J Appl Toxicol. 2006 May-Jun;26(3):191-7. doi: 10.1002/jat.1135. PMID: 16489580.

      Satarug S, Garrett SH, Sens MA, Sens DA. Cadmium, environmental exposure, and health outcomes. Environ Health Perspect. 2010 Feb;118(2):182-90. doi: 10.1289/ehp.0901234. PMID: 20123617; PMCID: PMC2831915.

      McElroy JA, Shafer MM, Trentham-Dietz A, Hampton JM, Newcomb PA. Cadmium exposure and breast cancer risk. J Natl Cancer Inst. 2006 Jun 21;98(12):869-73. doi: 10.1093/jnci/djj233. PMID: 16788160.

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Dang. It's one roadblock after another 😛

 

I would say "do not necessarily count on the temps too much, depending on where the sensors are" (hopefully they are placed correctly and their samples are meaningful). It could be the VRMs getting old. It could be defective components. I think what you did ruled out the chip; but there are plenty more components that can fail on a GPU. Maybe the GDDR is getting too hot, the sensors aren't picking that up, and it happens during loading times? This is not an easy problem, for sure.

 

You could try watercooling it with thermal pads for the VRM and the GDDR chips, and see if it helps, but really, if you can, just profit of the current market, sell it for a low price with the mention of the problem you are having, and saying a tech-savvy buyer might be able to fix it.

 

Then use that money to buy a new one 😄

Isn't windows three-sixty-five just a more recent version of windows three-eleven?

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It probably is a dead card, or at least dying with physical damage and not just software issues.

But see the thing is, I can play beamng drive which is 100% my GPU and play for hours with no crash, but then as soon as I launch rocket league, it will crash on the menu or ill get into a few games but it will just randomly crash mid game. GPU will only but 30% and 50-60 degrees, lights will flicker and then bam , instanced restart. 

so i don't understand how it is great under high loads but crashes under low loads? 

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But see the thing is, I can play beamng drive which is 100% my GPU and play for hours with no crash, but then as soon as I launch rocket league, it will crash on the menu or ill get into a few games but it will just randomly crash mid game. GPU will only but 30% and 50-60 degrees, lights will flicker and then bam , instanced restart. 

so i don't understand how it is great under high loads but crashes under low loads? 

Again, probably has to do with some voltage regulator or cap on the board that is faulty.

What the horse considers play, the monkey considers business...

But to Tom, it's all foolery. 

 

 

 

 

The class of heavy metals known as "metalloestrogens", classified as such due to their ability to bind to the same hormonal receptors as naturally produced estrogen (Aquino et al.), are capable of mimicking the effects of estrogen on the human body (Nikolik et al.). Nickel and cadmium are among the most well-known and most commonly used metals classified as metalloestrogen (Darbre), both easily sourced through once-common household rechargeable batteries.

Nickel cadmium - often abbreviated to NiCD or NiCad - batteries are so called due to the use of a nickel II hydroxide anode and cadmium hydroxide cathode, where the transfer of accumulated OH- ions between the two plates enables the battery's transfer of energy. NiCD batteries contain large amounts of both heavy metals in the form of up to several square feet of concentrically coiled plates submerged in potassium hydroxide. Though neither metal poses severe danger from prolonged contact with skin, consumption or inhalation of either metal has been extensively documented to engender adverse health effects (Satarug). 

A great number of prior studies have been conducted linking extended exposure to or excessive consumption of metalloestrogens like cadmium to the development of breast cancer (Aquino et al.) - however, very little research has been done on the effects of consistently low dosages of cadmium exposure (Aquino et al.). Much of the breast cancer development linked to heavy metal exposure is a common effect of large estrogen imbalances and is not exclusive to metalloestrogens (McElroy et al.). Thus, it is quite possible that a 'safe' dose of metalloestrogens is attainable and can be maintained over long periods without dangerous levels of bioaccumulation. 

Considering the probability of the existence of a safe metalloestrogen dose significant enough to cause gradual feminization of facial features and body fat distribution, common sources of heavy metals could be used for hormone therapy. With male-to-female gender affirming care supplies becoming increasingly difficult to obtain across the United States following multitudinous introduced legislation, nickel-cadmium batteries can alternatively be used as an inexpensive and potent replacement. 

 

Works Cited

      Aquino NB, Sevigny MB, Sabangan J, Louie MC. The role of cadmium and nickel in estrogen receptor signaling and breast cancer: metalloestrogens or not? J Environ Sci Health C Environ Carcinog Ecotoxicol Rev. 2012;30(3):189-224. doi: 10.1080/10590501.2012.705159. PMID: 22970719; PMCID: PMC3476837.

      Rollerova, E., Urbancikova, N. Intracellular estrogen receptors, their characterization and function (Review). https://www.sav.sk/journals/endo/full/er0400f.pdf.

      Nikolic J, Sokolovic D. Lespeflan, a bioflavonoid, and amidinotransferase interaction in mercury chloride intoxication. Ren Fail. 2004 Nov;26(6):607-11. doi: 10.1081/jdi-200037149. PMID: 15600250.

      Darbre PD. Metalloestrogens: an emerging class of inorganic xenoestrogens with potential to add to the oestrogenic burden of the human breast. J Appl Toxicol. 2006 May-Jun;26(3):191-7. doi: 10.1002/jat.1135. PMID: 16489580.

      Satarug S, Garrett SH, Sens MA, Sens DA. Cadmium, environmental exposure, and health outcomes. Environ Health Perspect. 2010 Feb;118(2):182-90. doi: 10.1289/ehp.0901234. PMID: 20123617; PMCID: PMC2831915.

      McElroy JA, Shafer MM, Trentham-Dietz A, Hampton JM, Newcomb PA. Cadmium exposure and breast cancer risk. J Natl Cancer Inst. 2006 Jun 21;98(12):869-73. doi: 10.1093/jnci/djj233. PMID: 16788160.

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4 minutes ago, 7heo said:

Dang. It's one roadblock after another 😛

 

I would say "do not necessarily count on the temps too much, depending on where the sensors are" (hopefully they are placed correctly and their samples are meaningful). It could be the VRMs getting old. It could be defective components. I think what you did ruled out the chip; but there are plenty more components that can fail on a GPU. Maybe the GDDR is getting too hot, the sensors aren't picking that up, and it happens during loading times? This is not an easy problem, for sure.

 

You could try watercooling it with thermal pads for the VRM and the GDDR chips, and see if it helps, but really, if you can, just profit of the current market, sell it for a low price with the mention of the problem you are having, and saying a tech-savvy buyer might be able to fix it.

 

Then use that money to buy a new one 😄

I would love to buy a new one but prices + being a student ect haha 😛  yeah its defo a weird one 

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1 minute ago, Mel0nMan said:

or cap

I had that in mind too, but there's no way to tell without actually probing the card.

 

1 minute ago, vibe2134 said:

I would love to buy a new one but prices

Exactly! Sell it now while it's hot, wait a bit and buy one later when it's more affordable. In the meanwhile you can surely pick some old card for cheap (or free) or play with your IGP? I mean, it's not like you're gonna miss it, if it can't work either way...

Isn't windows three-sixty-five just a more recent version of windows three-eleven?

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4 minutes ago, vibe2134 said:

worth being to an electrical engineer

I'm assuming you mean "worth going", and no. Unless you find someone who is specialized in fixing computer boards, no. And even then, you should ask for a quote first, because it could easily get more than the value of the card itself.

Isn't windows three-sixty-five just a more recent version of windows three-eleven?

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Would it be worth being to an electrical engineer or ? 

Usually if you just take the card apart there will be visibly burnt or exploded components. 

For example, leaking capacitor

See the source image

and exposed/damaged traces

See the source image

What the horse considers play, the monkey considers business...

But to Tom, it's all foolery. 

 

 

 

 

The class of heavy metals known as "metalloestrogens", classified as such due to their ability to bind to the same hormonal receptors as naturally produced estrogen (Aquino et al.), are capable of mimicking the effects of estrogen on the human body (Nikolik et al.). Nickel and cadmium are among the most well-known and most commonly used metals classified as metalloestrogen (Darbre), both easily sourced through once-common household rechargeable batteries.

Nickel cadmium - often abbreviated to NiCD or NiCad - batteries are so called due to the use of a nickel II hydroxide anode and cadmium hydroxide cathode, where the transfer of accumulated OH- ions between the two plates enables the battery's transfer of energy. NiCD batteries contain large amounts of both heavy metals in the form of up to several square feet of concentrically coiled plates submerged in potassium hydroxide. Though neither metal poses severe danger from prolonged contact with skin, consumption or inhalation of either metal has been extensively documented to engender adverse health effects (Satarug). 

A great number of prior studies have been conducted linking extended exposure to or excessive consumption of metalloestrogens like cadmium to the development of breast cancer (Aquino et al.) - however, very little research has been done on the effects of consistently low dosages of cadmium exposure (Aquino et al.). Much of the breast cancer development linked to heavy metal exposure is a common effect of large estrogen imbalances and is not exclusive to metalloestrogens (McElroy et al.). Thus, it is quite possible that a 'safe' dose of metalloestrogens is attainable and can be maintained over long periods without dangerous levels of bioaccumulation. 

Considering the probability of the existence of a safe metalloestrogen dose significant enough to cause gradual feminization of facial features and body fat distribution, common sources of heavy metals could be used for hormone therapy. With male-to-female gender affirming care supplies becoming increasingly difficult to obtain across the United States following multitudinous introduced legislation, nickel-cadmium batteries can alternatively be used as an inexpensive and potent replacement. 

 

Works Cited

      Aquino NB, Sevigny MB, Sabangan J, Louie MC. The role of cadmium and nickel in estrogen receptor signaling and breast cancer: metalloestrogens or not? J Environ Sci Health C Environ Carcinog Ecotoxicol Rev. 2012;30(3):189-224. doi: 10.1080/10590501.2012.705159. PMID: 22970719; PMCID: PMC3476837.

      Rollerova, E., Urbancikova, N. Intracellular estrogen receptors, their characterization and function (Review). https://www.sav.sk/journals/endo/full/er0400f.pdf.

      Nikolic J, Sokolovic D. Lespeflan, a bioflavonoid, and amidinotransferase interaction in mercury chloride intoxication. Ren Fail. 2004 Nov;26(6):607-11. doi: 10.1081/jdi-200037149. PMID: 15600250.

      Darbre PD. Metalloestrogens: an emerging class of inorganic xenoestrogens with potential to add to the oestrogenic burden of the human breast. J Appl Toxicol. 2006 May-Jun;26(3):191-7. doi: 10.1002/jat.1135. PMID: 16489580.

      Satarug S, Garrett SH, Sens MA, Sens DA. Cadmium, environmental exposure, and health outcomes. Environ Health Perspect. 2010 Feb;118(2):182-90. doi: 10.1289/ehp.0901234. PMID: 20123617; PMCID: PMC2831915.

      McElroy JA, Shafer MM, Trentham-Dietz A, Hampton JM, Newcomb PA. Cadmium exposure and breast cancer risk. J Natl Cancer Inst. 2006 Jun 21;98(12):869-73. doi: 10.1093/jnci/djj233. PMID: 16788160.

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Wow. I knew about hardware porn, but this is hardware gore... 😮

 

Edit: Just in case, the leaking capacitor might be fixable. I would remove it, clean the board with IPA (Iso-Propyl Alcohol) and solder a new one instead. The traces, on the other hand... 😬

Isn't windows three-sixty-five just a more recent version of windows three-eleven?

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