Will this be a good option?

[Hydoxuos]

Budget (including currency): Around € 1850,- EUR (Right Now, Psu doesn't show price)

Country: The Netherlands

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Mainly gaming, sometimes homework.

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

Whole new PC, Planning to buy soon. Don't need any peripherals, will be using a 27 inch 1440p 144hz Monitor.

 

The Link: https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/2cyKrr

[Downkey]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€295.95 @ Megekko) 
Motherboard: MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€114.95 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Memory: Team T-Force Delta RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  (€88.91 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Storage: Kingston A2000 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€103.85 @ Megekko) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€54.85 @ Azerty) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card  (€969.00 @ Azerty) 
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital ATX Mid Tower Case  (€89.95 @ Megekko) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€84.90 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Total: €1802.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-06-26 23:08 CEST+020

 

Went for a cheaper board, as the B550-A-PRO is still great, and you have the 5600x.

 

Swapped the case for a P400A, as it’s one of the best cases for money. It has 3 120MM RGB fans, and great airflow.

 

The RM is a great PSU and is pretty cheap atm.

[Boomwebsearch]

15 minutes ago, Hydoxuos said:

Budget (including currency): Around € 1850,- EUR (Right Now, Psu doesn't show price)

Country: The Netherlands

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Mainly gaming, sometimes homework.

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

Whole new PC, Planning to buy soon. Don't need any peripherals, will be using a 27 inch 1440p 144hz Monitor.

 

The Link: https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/2cyKrr

 

• I would recommend swapping out that Ryzen 5 5600X for a Ryzen 7 3700X to avoid the potential B550 chipset compatibility issue on your current PCPartPicker list and get 2 additional cores and 4 more threads. -->     https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product/QKJtt6/amd-ryzen-7-3700x-36-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000071box

 

• Swap out that NVMe SSD for a SATA one (larger capacity NVMe SSDs such as 1TB can be significantly more expensive than their SATA counterparts, most users aren't going to even notice a performance difference) -->     https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product/LFZzK8/crucial-bx500-1-tb-25-solid-state-drive-ct1000bx500ssd1

[Hydoxuos]

8 minutes ago, Downkey said:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€295.95 @ Megekko) 
Motherboard: MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€114.95 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Memory: Team T-Force Delta RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  (€88.91 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Storage: Kingston A2000 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€103.85 @ Megekko) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€54.85 @ Azerty) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card  (€969.00 @ Azerty) 
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital ATX Mid Tower Case  (€89.95 @ Megekko) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€84.90 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Total: €1802.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-06-26 23:08 CEST+020

 

Went for a cheaper board, as the B550-A-PRO is still great, and you have the 5600x.

 

Swapped the case for a P400A, as it’s one of the best cases for money. It has 3 120MM RGB fans, and great airflow.

 

The RM is a great PSU and is pretty cheap atm.

I see, is this system also Future proof?

[Hydoxuos]

3 minutes ago, Boomwebsearch said:

 

• I would recommend swapping out that Ryzen 5 5600X for a Ryzen 7 3700X to avoid the potential B550 chipset compatibility issue on your current PCPartPicker list and get 2 additional cores and 4 more threads. -->     https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product/QKJtt6/amd-ryzen-7-3700x-36-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000071box

 

• Swap out that NVMe SSD for a SATA one (larger capacity NVMe SSDs such as 1TB can be significantly more expensive than their SATA counterparts, most users aren't going to even notice a performance difference) -->     https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product/LFZzK8/crucial-bx500-1-tb-25-solid-state-drive-ct1000bx500ssd1

Thanks for your reaction, about the CPU, would the 2 cores and 4 threads have a noticeable performance difference? And the SATA SSD, do you have a good recommendation? (I was watching the read and write speeds, or do I have to look at something else?)

 

[Omar.B]

24 minutes ago, Hydoxuos said:

I see, is this system also Future proof?

YES

[Omar.B]

21 minutes ago, Hydoxuos said:

Thanks for your reaction, about the CPU, would the 2 cores and 4 threads have a noticeable performance difference?

In games NO it wont be affected about more cores or threads and the 5600x is better than 3700x in gaming

21 minutes ago, Hydoxuos said:

 

And the SATA SSD, do you have a good recommendation? (I was watching the read and write speeds, or do I have to look at something else?)

 

the A2000 still decent ssd and in games it wont be affected if you were running on a hdd or ssd 

[Boomwebsearch]

1 hour ago, Omar.B said:

YES

 

Nothing is completely future-proof, we can only design our builds in a way that allows reasonable room for upgrades while still having satisfactory performance today.

 

1 hour ago, Hydoxuos said:

Thanks for your reaction, about the CPU, would the 2 cores and 4 threads have a noticeable performance difference?

Game developers are already making their games more multi-threaded optimized and will expectedly continue to do so in the future (gaming consoles can already be found equipped with 8 cores). If the Ryzen 3700X is similarly priced to the Ryzen 5600X and within your budget that I would recommend going with the Ryzen 3700X. 

 

1 hour ago, Hydoxuos said:

do you have a good recommendation? (I was watching the read and write speeds, or do I have to look at something else?)

A lot of the times you will see theoretical maximums and that may have lead you to believe that NVMe drives would be so much faster than the SATA SSDs, its essentially tricky marketing by manufacturers, you need to look at the real-world performance of drives (benchmark scores). Although, speed is not the only factor when it comes to picking an SSD, other factors to consider include storage capacity, manufacturer, and the type of NAND memory being utilized (QLC, TLC, SLC, MLC, or eMLC).

 

Recommended SSD (as linked in my previous post) -->     https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product/LFZzK8/crucial-bx500-1-tb-25-solid-state-drive-ct1000bx500ssd1

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Boomwebsearch said:

 

• I would recommend swapping out that Ryzen 5 5600X for a Ryzen 7 3700X to avoid the potential B550 chipset compatibility issue on your current PCPartPicker list and get 2 additional cores and 4 more threads. -->     https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product/QKJtt6/amd-ryzen-7-3700x-36-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000071box

 

• Swap out that NVMe SSD for a SATA one (larger capacity NVMe SSDs such as 1TB can be significantly more expensive than their SATA counterparts, most users aren't going to even notice a performance difference) -->     https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product/LFZzK8/crucial-bx500-1-tb-25-solid-state-drive-ct1000bx500ssd1

Why are you suggesting a slower cpu again ? The op is gaming, therefore the 5600X is the better option. There is no compatibility issue because you have q flash.

 

No he should keep the NVMe SSD. When direct storage is more of a thing it will make a difference. Also the Crucial BX isn't that good. 

[Boomwebsearch]

17 hours ago, lee32uk said:

Why are you suggesting a slower cpu again ? The op is gaming, therefore the 5600X is the better option.

The Ryzen 5 5600X has a bit better single-threaded performance over the Ryzen 7 3700X which may give it the advantage in games today, although game developers are making their games more multi-threaded optimized and will expectedly continue to do so in the future (gaming consoles can already be found equipped with 8 cores). That being said, unless you're planning to upgrade anyway in the next few years, the extra 2 cores / 4 threads on the Ryzen 7 3700X should stand better in future games.

 

 

Take a look at this benchmark from Hardware Times, even with a practically top-of-the-line RTX 2000 series card (RTX 2080Ti), there's only a difference of a few frames per second, for the long run, I would go with the Ryzen 7 3700X:

 

Areej. (2021). Ashes-1080-2.png. Hardware Times. https://www.hardwaretimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Ashes-1080-2.png.

 

18 hours ago, lee32uk said:

No he should keep the NVMe SSD. When direct storage is more of a thing it will make a difference. Also the Crucial BX isn't that good. 

Direct storage (allowing GPU to load from SSD without first going through the CPU) isn't available on Windows 10, it is said to be there on Windows 11 and would need a 1TB SSD or greater to use the feature, additionally, game developers would have to add support for it into their games for you to see any noticeable difference. If you're able to get a 1TB NVMe drive at a good price then I would go for it, otherwise not really worth paying the premium. Direct storage will only benefit you in supported games/applications, even then it is not going to feel like switching from an HDD to an SSD. 

 

The Crucial MX500 is 15.51 Euros more at the moment on Amazon if you want something a bit better, although still, the Crucial BX500 is a decent SSD that will give you quite similar performance.

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, Boomwebsearch said:

The Ryzen 5 5600X has a bit better single-threaded performance over the Ryzen 7 3700X which may give it the advantage in games today, although game developers are making their games more multi-threaded optimized and will expectedly continue to do so in the future (gaming consoles can already be found equipped with 8 cores). That being said, unless you're planning to upgrade anyway in the next few years, the extra 2 cores / 4 threads on the Ryzen 7 3700X should stand better in future games.

 

 

Take a look at this benchmark from Hardware Times, even with a practically top-of-the-line RTX 2000 series card (RTX 2080Ti), there's only a difference of a few frames per second, for the long run, I would go with the Ryzen 7 3700X:

 

Areej. (2021). Ashes-1080-2.png. Hardware Times. https://www.hardwaretimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Ashes-1080-2.png.

 

Direct storage (allowing GPU to load from SSD without first going through the CPU) isn't available on Windows 10, it is said to be there on Windows 11 and would need a 1TB SSD or greater to use the feature, additionally, game developers would have to add support for it into their games for you to see any noticeable difference. If you're able to get a 1TB NVMe drive at a good price then I would go for it, otherwise not really worth paying the premium. Direct storage will only benefit you in supported games/applications, even then it is not going to feel like switching from an HDD to an SSD. 

 

The Crucial MX500 is 15.51 Euros more at the moment on Amazon if you want something a bit better, although still, the Crucial BX500 is a decent SSD that will give you quite similar performance.

The 5600X has 18% single core performance increase over the 3700X, so more than just a bit. That figure is from Hardware Unboxed review of the 5600X.

 

As for your 'more cores are better' argument here is a quote from the Hardware unboxed review of the 5600X:

 

'Speaking of gaming performance, you’re no doubt going to hear nonsense such as "the Ryzen 5 5600X is a poor choice for gamers as it only has 6 cores," and they’ll probably try and prove that by pointing to the new consoles which feature eight Zen 2 cores.

Some people also like to confuse how games and cores work. Making statements like games will require 8 cores or something to that effect. Games don’t require a certain number of cores, they never have and they never will. Games require a certain level of CPU performance, it’s really that simple'.

 

The op already has a 1TB NVMe in his spec so not really sure what your point is there.

 

It seems like you pick and choose what points are valid or not to suit yourself. It is fine to go with an 8 core cpu because devs 'might' make use of more cores/threads in the future, but the SSD argument is somehow invalid for the same reason ?

[Boomwebsearch]

 

2 hours ago, lee32uk said:

As for your 'more cores are better' argument here is a quote from the Hardware unboxed review of the 5600X:

 

'Speaking of gaming performance, you’re no doubt going to hear nonsense such as "the Ryzen 5 5600X is a poor choice for gamers as it only has 6 cores," and they’ll probably try and prove that by pointing to the new consoles which feature eight Zen 2 cores.

Some people also like to confuse how games and cores work. Making statements like games will require 8 cores or something to that effect. Games don’t require a certain number of cores, they never have and they never will. Games require a certain level of CPU performance, it’s really that simple'.

 

I was not trying to say that more cores are going to be required by games in the future. My point was regarding multi-threaded performance optimizations more likely being implemented by game developers. Yes, the Ryzen 5 5600X is a good choice for gaming. Although, let's look at the OP's case specifically here in terms of value (overall performance per unit of currency). The Ryzen 5 5600X costs €295.95 at the moment and earns a score of 22, 182 in PassMark's real-world CPU performance benchmark. While, the Ryzen 7 3700X costs €269.89 at the moment (€26.06 more expensive than the Ryzen 5 5600X), earning a score of 22, 797 in PassMark's real-world CPU performance benchmark. Pricing varies from country to country, although in the OP's case, the Ryzen 7 3700X is simply a better value choice (offering better performance and for a lower price). Why would you want to pay more for a lower-performing chip ?

 

Performance per unit of currency calculations (higher means better value):

 

Ryzen 7 3700X (22, 797 / 295.95) = 77.0299036999

 

Ryzen 5 5600X (22, 182 / 295.95) = 74.9518499747

 

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-3700X/3859vs3485

 

2 hours ago, lee32uk said:

The 5600X has 18% single core performance increase over the 3700X, so more than just a bit.

That only applies to single-core performance, the Ryzen 7 3700X holds much better multi-threaded performance, with multi-threaded performance optimizations likely being implemented across more games (helping the Ryzen 7 3700X's performance in games), it makes more sense to look at it from a value perspective factoring in cost and overall performance data.

 

2 hours ago, lee32uk said:

Games don’t require a certain number of cores, they never have and they never will.

There are minimum system requirements on many games such as Far Cry 4 that just won't run/launch on a single-core or even dual-core processor, if you fall short of recommended system requirements then you can still use that CPU with lower cores/frequency as long as any applicable bare minimum system requirements are satisfied (although, don't be surprised if you get really terrible performance). 

 

2 hours ago, lee32uk said:

It is fine to go with an 8 core cpu because devs 'might' make use of more cores/threads in the future, but the SSD argument is somehow invalid for the same reason ?

The 8-core/16-thread Ryzen 7 3700X is cheaper than the 6-core/12-thread Ryzen 5 3600X where the OP is shopping from at the moment, my point was that the higher single-threaded performance of the Ryzen 5 3600X could likely get outweighed by the much better multi-threaded performance of the Ryzen 7 3700X as multi-threaded optimizations are implemented in the future. The situation with the NVMe SSD and the SATA SSD here is that the NVMe drive is €23.95 more expensive while, even if direct storage gets implemented, the benefits to be seen are nothing too significant/worthy (as explained in my previous post on this thread). Unless you really want/need that much high-speed storage at any moment, you should be fine with a 128/256GB NVMe SSD for the OS and frequently used programs paired with a larger mechanical HDD for everything else.

[Guest]

41 minutes ago, Boomwebsearch said:

 

 

I was not trying to say that more cores are going to be required by games in the future. My point was regarding multi-threaded performance optimizations more likely being implemented by game developers. Yes, the Ryzen 5 5600X is a good choice for gaming. Although, let's look at the OP's case specifically here in terms of value (overall performance per unit of currency). The Ryzen 5 5600X costs €295.95 at the moment and earns a score of 22, 182 in PassMark's real-world CPU performance benchmark. While, the Ryzen 7 3700X costs €269.89 at the moment (€26.06 more expensive than the Ryzen 5 5600X), earning a score of 22, 797 in PassMark's real-world CPU performance benchmark. Pricing varies from country to country, although in the OP's case, the Ryzen 7 3700X is simply a better value choice (offering better performance and for a lower price). Why would you want to pay more for a lower-performing chip ?

 

Performance per unit of currency calculations (higher means better value):

 

Ryzen 7 3700X (22, 797 / 295.95) = 77.0299036999

 

Ryzen 5 5600X (22, 182 / 295.95) = 74.9518499747

 

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-3700X/3859vs3485

 

That only applies to single-core performance, the Ryzen 7 3700X holds much better multi-threaded performance, with multi-threaded performance optimizations likely being implemented across more games (helping the Ryzen 7 3700X's performance in games), it makes more sense to look at it from a value perspective factoring in cost and overall performance data.

 

There are minimum system requirements on many games such as Far Cry 4 that just won't run/launch on a single-core or even dual-core processor, if you fall short of recommended system requirements then you can still use that CPU with lower cores/frequency as long as any applicable bare minimum system requirements are satisfied (although, don't be surprised if you get really terrible performance). 

 

The 8-core/16-thread Ryzen 7 3700X is cheaper than the 6-core/12-thread Ryzen 5 3600X where the OP is shopping from at the moment, my point was that the higher single-threaded performance of the Ryzen 5 3600X could likely get outweighed by the much better multi-threaded performance of the Ryzen 7 3700X as multi-threaded optimizations are implemented in the future. The situation with the NVMe SSD and the SATA SSD here is that the NVMe drive is €23.95 more expensive while, even if direct storage gets implemented, the benefits to be seen are nothing too significant/worthy (as explained in my previous post on this thread). Unless you really want/need that much high-speed storage at any moment, you should be fine with a 128/256GB NVMe SSD for the OS and frequently used programs paired with a larger mechanical HDD for everything else.

You are using passmark to compare gaming performance ? The 3995WX has a passmark score of 86118 so does that make it a better cpu for gaming ?

 

The op has an 1850 Euro budget. A 26 Euro price difference between the cpu's is irrelevant. We are not talking about the price we are talking about the better performing product. So yes he could save 26 Euros with the 3700X but then he would be losing performance. 

 

A 4c/4t is probably the minimum requirement for a lot of games. They have to have a baseline. 

 

The new consoles both have NVMe storage. Just look how fast they load games compared to last gen. The load times are virtually non existent. That is what you will be looking at with direct storage. So for the sake of another 24 Euros I would say it is definitely worth it.