MSI Ventus 3x 3070Ti or Asus Tuf OC 3070

[INZ4NE_]

So just a quick question about these models, I got the asus tuf today and managed to also get a 3070Ti from todays launch. I saw the boost clock and max wattage being lower almost only on the msi ventus 2x and 3x models (at least in the non Ti models in was like that and they were considered the worts of the customs) and was just wondering should I cancel the order of the Ti and use the TUF or the other way around?  The price for the Ti was little less than the tuf OC. Dumb question but which is the correct thing to do? 

[Mister Woof]

lol first world problems

 

 

that said, keep the one you think looks the best because they probably don't really perform much different from one another. Like if it were me, I'd pick the one that has the same RGB software as your motherboard just to keep it easier and have less bloat.

[Dedayog]

7 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

lol first world problems

 

 

that said, keep the one you think looks the best because they probably don't really perform much different from one another. Like if it were me, I'd pick the one that has the same RGB software as your motherboard just to keep it easier and have less bloat.

As always, you pick the gear that gets the most chicks

 

I'd do performance first, so keep the Ti.  It performs marginally better and you said it's cheaper.  Plus, I think you'll pull higher quality chicks with it than vs the OC.  Quality over quantity.

[Chris Pratt]

There may be differences in cooling and just overall performance or quality between different AIB models, but unfortunately, it takes a while for reviews to get filled out there, especially when they're generally hard to come by.

 

If it's the same price or cheaper, a 3070 Ti is a better buy than a 3070, but it's not at virtually any amount more than a 3070. Of course, there might be a reason it's the same price or cheaper (worse cooling or quality). It's hard to say what the best option is. That said, performance in games, save for a few FPS here or there, is virtually the same, so you can't really make a bad choice.

[Mister Woof]

3 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

As always, you pick the gear that gets the most chicks

 

I'd do performance first, so keep the Ti.  It performs marginally better and you said it's cheaper.  Plus, I think you'll pull higher quality chicks with it than vs the OC.  Quality over quantity.

Well if you have to load a bunch of bloat on your system to turn the rainbow barf off, that's performance lost too

 

ASUS Armory Crate is terrible. Like, really terrible.

 

I Just noticed it was 3070/3070ti right now to be honest lol.....um I think it still stands. I'd try to figure out which one has the most profit for sale (probably he 3070ti) and offload that one. 

[INZ4NE_]

So I got a msi z490 tomahawk board and a closed case, looks don't matter one bit. To be clear, I paid 1060€ for the TUF and now the MSI model that I got today was 1019€ so the difference is marginal at this price point but was still curious for the optimal choice

[Mister Woof]

Just now, INZ4NE_ said:

So I got a msi z490 tomahawk board and a closed case, looks don't matter one bit. To be clear, I paid 1060€ for the TUF and now the MSI model that I got today was 1019€ so the difference is marginal at this price point but was still curious for the optimal choice

then the MSI 3070ti makes sense to be the keeper then. 

[Smackaroy]

3070ti will always perform better than 3070 no matter what power target they give it. Keep the 3070 ti. Lastly good luck using the higher power target ampere cards do not overclock well.

[Smackaroy]

6 hours ago, INZ4NE_ said:

So I got a msi z490 tomahawk board and a closed case, looks don't matter one bit. To be clear, I paid 1060€ for the TUF and now the MSI model that I got today was 1019€ so the difference is marginal at this price point but was still curious for the optimal choice

Keep the 3070ti and cancel you  would be spending more on a card that performs worse.

 

You paid over a grand for a 70 series card Jesus luckily I got my 3090 before this market went down the drain.

[Smackaroy]

7 hours ago, Mister Woof said:

Well if you have to load a bunch of bloat on your system to turn the rainbow barf off, that's performance lost too

 

ASUS Armory Crate is terrible. Like, really terrible.

 

I Just noticed it was 3070/3070ti right now to be honest lol.....um I think it still stands. I'd try to figure out which one has the most profit for sale (probably he 3070ti) and offload that one. 

You would pay more for a card that performs worse just because you would have to use a piece of software that doesn't match your motherboard wow. I don't get people who think rgb comes first before performance.

[Dedayog]

9 minutes ago, Smackaroy said:

You would pay more for a card that performs worse just because you would have to use a piece of software that doesn't match your motherboard wow. I don't get people who think rgb comes first before performance.

I think you missed his misunderstanding.  He thought they were both 3070's.

 

[Mister Woof]

2 hours ago, Smackaroy said:

You would pay more for a card that performs worse just because you would have to use a piece of software that doesn't match your motherboard wow. I don't get people who think rgb comes first before performance.

 

2 hours ago, Dedayog said:

I think you missed his misunderstanding.  He thought they were both 3070's.

 

 

I would keep the 3070 STILL over the 3070ti if the 3070 matched my motherboards software.

 

Why?

 

1. Having a shitload of different software running all the time sucks. Most require it even to shut the damned thing OFF. Specifically, ASUS Armory Crate is a fucking terrible resource hog that writes to your registry so much, that you need to download a separate UNINSTALLER to make it go away. And even then it doesn't really go away. You also must install it to turn off the rainbow barf.  You can ask me how I know having five different RGB software all running at once sucks, and how it can cause any number of problems.

 

2. The performance difference between a 3070 and 3070ti isn't really that big a deal. For most cases, it's not make or break. In your chart, it's 12%. You won't perceive that difference. But you might perceive the difference in headache of multiple software being a pain in the ass, and on your wallet.

 

3. In this market, if you have an MSRP, or close to MSRP (insert anything relevant) card, you aren't going to have a problem recovering any money, you're going to be profiting. In this case, since the 3070ti is newer and more desirable, there's more to gain by selling that one.

 

If I had the opportunity to get a Gigabyte 3070 at MSRP right now just to be rid of ASUS Armory Crate, I would in a heartbeat. And then I'd sell the 3080 I paid $750 for in a December for $1800.

 

Also, specifically in my post, I mentioned to sell the one with the highest profit.

 

So, that's what I would do. Regarding the OP - software ecosystem is often something that's overlooked but still important. At least now it's known to be something to consider.

 

 

 

 

 

[Smackaroy]

16 hours ago, Mister Woof said:

 

 

I would keep the 3070 STILL over the 3070ti if the 3070 matched my motherboards software.

 

Why?

 

1. Having a shitload of different software running all the time sucks. Most require it even to shut the damned thing OFF. Specifically, ASUS Armory Crate is a fucking terrible resource hog that writes to your registry so much, that you need to download a separate UNINSTALLER to make it go away. And even then it doesn't really go away. You also must install it to turn off the rainbow barf.  You can ask me how I know having five different RGB software all running at once sucks, and how it can cause any number of problems.

 

2. The performance difference between a 3070 and 3070ti isn't really that big a deal. For most cases, it's not make or break. In your chart, it's 12%. You won't perceive that difference. But you might perceive the difference in headache of multiple software being a pain in the ass, and on your wallet.

 

3. In this market, if you have an MSRP, or close to MSRP (insert anything relevant) card, you aren't going to have a problem recovering any money, you're going to be profiting. In this case, since the 3070ti is newer and more desirable, there's more to gain by selling that one.

 

If I had the opportunity to get a Gigabyte 3070 at MSRP right now just to be rid of ASUS Armory Crate, I would in a heartbeat. And then I'd sell the 3080 I paid $750 for in a December for $1800.

 

Also, specifically in my post, I mentioned to sell the one with the highest profit.

 

So, that's what I would do. Regarding the OP - software ecosystem is often something that's overlooked but still important. At least now it's known to be something to consider.

 

 

 

 

 

12 percent is not nothing. He has it in a case where he won't see the rgb so why does it matter 

[Smackaroy]

17 hours ago, Dedayog said:

I think you missed his misunderstanding.  He thought they were both 3070's.

 

Oh ok

[Mister Woof]

1 hour ago, Smackaroy said:

12 percent is not nothing. He has it in a case where he won't see the rgb so why does it matter 

If you noticed the original comment was before that revelation.

 

In either case, there's a case for streamlining software ecosystems, which was my point. 

[Smackaroy]

1 hour ago, Mister Woof said:

If you noticed the original comment was before that revelation.

 

In either case, there's a case for streamlining software ecosystems, which was my point. 

Oh no I have to install another piece of software I'm only going to use once to change the colors of turn it off.

[Mister Woof]

5 minutes ago, Smackaroy said:

Oh no I have to install another piece of software I'm only going to use once to change the colors of turn it off.

You're awfully upset about this. 

 

It's almost as if there are many different factors to consider when you're making a decision, and it's reasonable to consider them all!

 

Insane talk

 

[Dedayog]

14 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

You're awfully upset about this. 

 

It's almost as if there are many different factors to consider when you're making a decision, and it's reasonable to consider them all!

 

Insane talk

 

If you look at his past post history, he is only concerned about power and performance.  You have other concerns. 

 

This is a no-win argument right here.

[Mister Woof]

19 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

If you look at his past post history, he is only concerned about power and performance.  You have other concerns. 

 

This is a no-win argument right here.

I don't mind having that perspective, and it's perfectly valid.

 

It just doesn't make the other stuff disappear even if you don't value that perspective.

 

Computers these days are more than just numbers. It's an entire package.

 

Some people care about stuff like appearance, and some about running a slim OS, and others just raw performance. 

 

This is fine but the attitude is kind of unnecessarily confrontational.

[Smackaroy]

18 hours ago, Mister Woof said:

I don't mind having that perspective, and it's perfectly valid.

 

It just doesn't make the other stuff disappear even if you don't value that perspective.

 

Computers these days are more than just numbers. It's an entire package.

 

Some people care about stuff like appearance, and some about running a slim OS, and others just raw performance. 

 

This is fine but the attitude is kind of unnecessarily confrontational.

The definition of "computer" is something along the lines of "a computer is a device to carry out logical operations in binary" so computers are just numbers.

 

I do see your point though computers are a great way for customization. I'm not going to say I haven't bought rgb products and hate all of them because I would be lying. I prefer performance over looks so if I buy a product that doesn't sync with my other stuff so be it it's not that big of a deal to me personally but that's me . 

 

Sorry for being a bit of a Di*k