Diagnosis Needed

[SierraDeuce]

I need the borrow the collective wisdom of the LTT Forum to assist me. I am having some issues with poor performance and lag. I have run various IObit programs to clean up, update, and opitmize my pc but still run into significant latency issues with things like Star Citizen (to be fair, I have never been able to smoothly run Star Citizen) but now even fames like World of Warships lags quite bad. Full disclosure, I currently do not have a hardline internet connection to my computer but am using a USB wireless adapter (my system does not have onboard wifi). However, I can run Warships on my laptop (also on wifi) with little to no lag (albeit, not as high of graphics). Below is a list of my systems components; any ideas on what I could do to remedy things? Is it just the internet connection and that my system is still presently future-resistant, is it that I am still running DDR3 RAM? Is my system largely obsolete? If so, can I do something as seemingly simple as replace all my RAM for DDR4 (is that even possible given my motherboard)? Any ideas or recommendations from the community is greatly appreciated. 

 

Current Components List:

 

Case - CORSAIR Vengeance C70 Mid-Tower Case - Military Green

 

Motherboard - ASUS TUF SABERTOOTH 990FX R2.0 Socket AM3+ DDR3 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 AMD 990FX ATX Motherboard

 

CPU - AMD FD8350FRHKBOX FX-8350 FX-Series 8-Core Black Edition Processor

 

Graphics Card - x2 MSI AMD Radeon R9 280X, 3GB GDDR5, PCI Express 3.0 Graphics Card R9 280X Gaming 3G (2 cards in TOTAL)

 

RAM - x4 Corsair CMZ8GX3M1A1600C10 Vengeance 8GB (1x8GB) DDR3 1600 MHz (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory 1.5V (32Gb TOTAL)

 

Cooler - Corsair Hydro Series Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler H100i

 

Harddrives - Samsung 860 EVO 500GB 2.5 Inch SATA III Internal SSD (MZ-76E500B/AM)

 

WD Caviar Black 1 TB SATA III 7200 RPM 64 MB Cache Internal Desktop 3.5" Hard Drive (WD1002FAEX ) (Old Model)

 

Western Digital Caviar Green 3 TB SATA III 64 MB Cache Bare/OEM Desktop Hard Drive - WD30EZRX

 

PSU - Corsair HXi Series, HX1200i, 1200 Watt, 80+ Platinum Certified, Fully Modular - Digital Power Supply

 

Monitor - ASUS VG278Q 27" Full HD 1080P 144Hz 1ms Eye Care G-Sync Compatible Adaptive Sync Gaming Monitor with DP HDMI DVI

 

Misc -

Asus Black 12X BD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA Internal Blu-Ray Drive (BC-12B1ST)

 

ASUS 24x DVD-RW Serial-ATA Internal OEM Optical Drive DRW-24B1ST Black

 

Corsair Air Series AF120 LED Quiet Edition High Airflow Fan Twin Pack - Red

[Radium_Angel]

18 minutes ago, SierraDeuce said:

2 cards in TOTAL)

 

Most modern games do very poorly with SLI.

19 minutes ago, SierraDeuce said:

If so, can I do something as seemingly simple as replace all my RAM for DDR4 (is that even possible given my motherboard)

Not possible.

19 minutes ago, SierraDeuce said:

FX-8350

Probably running crazy hot, what are the temps of your CPU when gaming?

[bluesmokecpu]

finding a new gpu right now might be a little tough but I would thing that even a 1060 or something like that would give you considerably better performance    obviously going current gen would make the most sense if you can get your hands on like a 3060   but ya i doubt your cpu temps are the biggest issue i would assume its those r9 280s in sli    and ya there's nothing wrong with using ddr3 and a am3 cpu if that's what you have you can always swap out the motherboard cpu and ram down the line when you have some spare money for it 

[Radium_Angel]

16 minutes ago, bluesmokecpu said:

i doubt your cpu temps are the biggest issue

The FX-8xxx line ran very hot by default, and will start to thermal throttle quickly, which of course will cause all manner of issues.

But without knowing what the OPs temps are, this was just an educated guess on my part as to where to look for performance issues

[bluesmokecpu]

3 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

The FX-8xxx line ran very hot by default, and will start to thermal throttle quickly, which of course will cause all manner of issues.

But without knowing what the OPs temps are, this was just an educated guess on my part as to where to look for performance issues

its definitely possible its the cpu, but I had a r9 280 a while back and my 1050 ran faster so just knowing that much I jumped right to assuming it was the gpus fault primarily, that said I haven't owned any am3 cpus I've used intel exclusively up till this gen so I've probably missed a few quirks that I would have learned from owning one like weird temperature issues etc..

[SierraDeuce]

31 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

Most modern games do very poorly with SLI.

Not possible.

Probably running crazy hot, what are the temps of your CPU when gaming?

The CPU at idle is in the high 70s F, under load around high 90s F. The graphics cards run between 95 - 104 F at idle. It bumps up to around 120 max that i've noticed. That said, I have not done much hardcore dedicated gaming in a good while.

[Radium_Angel]

1 minute ago, bluesmokecpu said:

its definitely possible its the cpu, but I had a r9 280 a while back and my 1050 ran faster so just knowing that much I jumped right to assuming it was the gpus fault primarily, that said I haven't owned any am3 cpus I've used intel exclusively up till this gen so I've probably missed a few quirks that I would have learned from owning one like weird temperature issues etc..

And the SLI isn't helping matters either, most modern games run worse with SLI.

Either way, that FX platform is very very old and putting any money into it, isn't money well spent. The OP would be better served buying a new platform, but of course with global shortages of just about everything right now, buying a new system isn't a great value for money either...

[Radium_Angel]

Just now, SierraDeuce said:

The CPU at idle is in the high 70s F, under load around high 90s F. The graphics cards run between 95 - 104 F at idle. It bumps up to around 120 max that i've noticed. That said, I have not done much hardcore dedicated gaming in a good while.

That's wayyyyyyy wayyyyyyy too hot, the CPU will start to thermal throttle at 61 degrees.

https://superuser.com/questions/1154402/how-do-i-make-my-fx-8350-stop-throttling-at-64ºc

 

[SierraDeuce]

Just now, Radium_Angel said:

And the SLI isn't helping matters either, most modern games run worse with SLI.

Either way, that FX platform is very very old and putting any money into it, isn't money well spent. The OP would be better served buying a new platform, but of course with global shortages of just about everything right now, buying a new system isn't a great value for money either...

Should I just disable SLI or just caveman that shiz and just rip out one of the GPUs?

 

I initially added the second GPU because I thought it would actually help give my pc some performance legs until I had to build a new system outright. I suppose that was ignorance on my end. Actually I built the whole rig myself but brought it in to a pro when I installed the second GPU because I felt I would benefit from a professional set of eyes making sure everything was still good to go. On top of the GPU I actually ended up having to replace the PSU to what is currently listed because the original PSI was 800w and ended up ruining my SSD which I also had to replace to what is currently listed.

[Radium_Angel]

Pull one video card out, and for Cthulhu's sake, get the CPU temp under control, it's hitting thermal throttle limit at idle, it's a wonder you haven't burned your house down yet

 

[SierraDeuce]

4 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

That's wayyyyyyy wayyyyyyy too hot, the CPU will start to thermal throttle at 61 degrees.

https://superuser.com/questions/1154402/how-do-i-make-my-fx-8350-stop-throttling-at-64ºc

 

 

Just now, Radium_Angel said:

Pull one video card out, and for Cthulhu's sake, get the CPU temp under control, it's hitting thermal throttle limit at idle, it's a wonder you haven't burned your house down yet

 

i can do that. That said, is that 61 degrees celcius or fahrenheit? The temps I am giving are in fahrenheit

[Radium_Angel]

Just now, SierraDeuce said:

 

i can do that. That said, is that 61 degrees celcius or fahrenheit? The temps I am giving are in fahrenheit

Oh, normal measurements are listed in Celsius, I was worried for a minute.

[SierraDeuce]

Just now, Radium_Angel said:

Oh, normal measurements are listed in Celsius, I was worried for a minute.

lol, yeah I started to panic a bit myself.

[Radium_Angel]

I saw the F symbol but figured it for a typo (I haven't seen anyone list PC temps in F in eons) and it didn't register properly.

In any case, start with the removal of a video card, let's see if anything improves. Report back.

[SierraDeuce]

1 minute ago, Radium_Angel said:

Oh, normal measurements are listed in Celsius, I was worried for a minute.

so currently, in celcius it is at 24/39/35 degrees (CPU/GPU1/GPU2 respectively) but all I have running is firefox with 7 tabs and 16% RAM usage.

[SierraDeuce]

1 minute ago, Radium_Angel said:

I saw the F symbol but figured it for a typo (I haven't seen anyone list PC temps in F in eons) and it didn't register properly.

In any case, start with the removal of a video card, let's see if anything improves. Report back.

i will do that; thank you for the patience and advice.

[Radium_Angel]

Those temps are fine.

WRT Star Citizen, no one has a system that can handle that smoothly, so don't worry about that for the time being, but WoWS runs on potatoes, so we'll start with that one, and go from there

[SierraDeuce]

2 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

Those temps are fine.

WRT Star Citizen, no one has a system that can handle that smoothly, so don't worry about that for the time being, but WoWS runs on potatoes, so we'll start with that one, and go from there

can i just turn it off and remove it and just fire it back up again, or are there special steps I should take?

[Radium_Angel]

1 minute ago, SierraDeuce said:

can i just turn it off and remove it and just fire it back up again, or are there special steps I should take?

Nope, just power off system, pull power plug from PC, give it ~30 seconds, then *carefully* remove the 2nd video card (don't forget the PCIe retainer clip at the end of the slot)

Plug it all back in and power it up, the video card driver will handle the rest, then try WoWS and report back (if it's still bad, report what settings you have the game set on)

[SierraDeuce]

35 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

Nope, just power off system, pull power plug from PC, give it ~30 seconds, then *carefully* remove the 2nd video card (don't forget the PCIe retainer clip at the end of the slot)

Plug it all back in and power it up, the video card driver will handle the rest, then try WoWS and report back (if it's still bad, report what settings you have the game set on)

So i removed one card and ran a few rounds of wows (once on medium and once on high) current temps are 25/74 celcius (CPU/GPU respectively).

[Radium_Angel]

7 hours ago, SierraDeuce said:

So i removed one card and ran a few rounds of wows (once on medium and once on high) current temps are 25/74 celcius (CPU/GPU respectively).

Ok, and how does the game perform, better? worse? About the same?