Camera buying guide 2021

[GDRRiley]

10 hours ago, rrats said:

Not really, I've used mobile devices camcorders and cameras without interchangeable lenses before

got a budget?
use case?

new or used?

got any stores nearby to go try stuff?

 

[rrats]

Yes.

 

Anything that doesn't require extensive zoominng or macro focusing

 

New

 

Yes, will do that.

[GDRRiley]

8 minutes ago, rrats said:

Yes.

 

Anything that doesn't require extensive zoominng or macro focusing

 

New

 

Yes, will do that.

would be nice to know

okay so a normal length zoom will do fine

okay

its mostly about body feel and ergonomics

[rrats]

Canon M50 and Nikon Z50 seem like great choices.

[GDRRiley]

29 minutes ago, rrats said:

Canon M50 and Nikon Z50 seem like great choices.

m50 is lacking my view and EF-m isn't worth spending money on lenses.

Z50 though is a pretty good body

[rrats]

Well if better lens support costs 300$, then I am going with canon

[GDRRiley]

2 hours ago, rrats said:

Well if better lens support costs 300$, then I am going with canon

go refurbished RP from canon

[Imbadatnames]

On 11/19/2021 at 7:42 AM, rrats said:

Well if better lens support costs 300$, then I am going with canon

For Mirrorless I’d look at Sony and Fuji tbh what is your budget? 

[rrats]

Can't find any.

 

Also what's the problem with M50 mark II?

[Imbadatnames]

On 11/22/2021 at 3:04 PM, rrats said:

Can't find any.

 

Also what's the problem with M50 mark II?

Autofocus, crop in video and lens selection 

[Stagea]

2 hours ago, Imbadatnames said:

Autofocus, crop in video and lens selection 

If not shooting 4K, it should have decent AF. All Canon DPAF models have plenty good AF for most use cases. 

 

On 11/22/2021 at 11:04 PM, rrats said:

Can't find any.

 

Also what's the problem with M50 mark II?

That model's really good for stills and 1080p video. Its 4K functionality is very limited (large crop and no DPAF) but may be useful if you're shooting with a prime and want to switch FOV. There are awesome primes for the EF-M body, but the zoom options are less stellar. You can however adapt EF-S lenses to the EF-M mount, if you're okay with the bulk and noisier motors (most good EF-S lenses have older/noisier drive mechanisms).

 

The Sony A6100 and the Olympus EM-10 IV are good alternatives. The A6100 with a pair of good lenses (say the Tamron 11-20mm and the 17-70mm) will cover most general shooting scenarios. The EM-10 IV is more of a wild card; AF and resolution won't be as good as the Canon or the Sony but the IBIS will make longer exposures possible without a tripod and will make handheld videos much more watchable.

[Imbadatnames]

39 minutes ago, Stagea said:

If not shooting 4K, it should have decent AF. All Canon DPAF models have plenty good AF for most use cases. 

 

That model's really good for stills and 1080p video. Its 4K functionality is very limited (large crop and no DPAF) but may be useful if you're shooting with a prime and want to switch FOV. There are awesome primes for the EF-M body, but the zoom options are less stellar. You can however adapt EF-S lenses to the EF-M mount, if you're okay with the bulk and noisier motors (most good EF-S lenses have older/noisier drive mechanisms).

 

The Sony A6100 and the Olympus EM-10 IV are good alternatives. The A6100 with a pair of good lenses (say the Tamron 11-20mm and the 17-70mm) will cover most general shooting scenarios. The EM-10 IV is more of a wild card; AF and resolution won't be as good as the Canon or the Sony but the IBIS will make longer exposures possible without a tripod and will make handheld videos much more watchable.

Canon AF especially lower end models doesn’t have the AF of newer and similar prices Fuji and Sony systems. Canon also just haven’t supported EFM very well. Sony and Fuji both have a better lens selection. The Fuji kit lens is also very usable. 

[Stagea]

1 hour ago, Imbadatnames said:

Canon AF especially lower end models doesn’t have the AF of newer and similar prices Fuji and Sony systems. Canon also just haven’t supported EFM very well. Sony and Fuji both have a better lens selection. The Fuji kit lens is also very usable. 

I agree with the lack of EF-M lens support from Canon. They have a few good primes, while the rest are kit-quality zooms. Sigma makes excellent EF-M primes too. This mount lacks bright zoom lenses however (Canon probably didn't want the M bodies to couple with heavy lenses and don't want them to compete with their EF and RF bodies). To get bright zooms, a mount adapter would have to be used.

 

As for poor AF on Canon bodies, I would say that only applies to their fixed-lens models and entry level DSLRs. Anything from the M200 up have good AF for both single AF and servo modes. Entry level models won't focus as quickly as higher models, but they have among the most reliable AF systems (the M200, M50, M50II and M6 Mk II share the same image processor with the EOS R). 

 

https://youtu.be/26Xkd57fxr4

 

 

[GDRRiley]

4 hours ago, Stagea said:

I agree with the lack of EF-M lens support from Canon. They have a few good primes, while the rest are kit-quality zooms. Sigma makes excellent EF-M primes too. This mount lacks bright zoom lenses however (Canon probably didn't want the M bodies to couple with heavy lenses and don't want them to compete with their EF and RF bodies).

its just not a platform I'd spend any money on. there is no mount to adapt EFM to

[GDRRiley]

replaced A7III with A7IV

[rrats]

Canons EF-M cameras support EF and EF-S lenses via adaptors.

[GDRRiley]

4 hours ago, rrats said:

Canons EF-M cameras support EF and EF-S lenses via adaptors.

and more. my point was any EF-M glass you buy isn't likely to be able to move to a new body, canons mostly done with EFM. seems like we will get an RF APS-C soon

[Imbadatnames]

On 11/24/2021 at 1:28 PM, rrats said:

Canons EF-M cameras support EF and EF-S lenses via adaptors.

Tbh the M50 is what £650 here, the Fuji XT30 with lens is about £750. For the extra 100 the Fuji is a lot more camera 

[rrats]

Too late, already bought the m50

[GDRRiley]

waiting for X-H2, R7 and R10 reviews before I update this list

[IC_SubiX]

Could you please add a notice that DP is discontinued (they will not do reviews on the new camera-gear), and add Petapixel?

[GDRRiley]

6 hours ago, IC_SubiX said:

Could you please add a notice that DP is discontinued (they will not do reviews on the new camera-gear), and add Petapixel?

I'll certainly add that if I have time to do a major rewrite

[jre84]

quick question I'm aware megapixels isn't everything but why is my 5 year old s21 ultra 108mp and a new camera 20mp, shouldn't these cameras be pushing 1000mp with gigantic sensors. is it a negative having more megapixels?

[RabbidEwok]

9 hours ago, jre84 said:

quick question I'm aware megapixels isn't everything but why is my 5 year old s21 ultra 108mp and a new camera 20mp, shouldn't these cameras be pushing 1000mp with gigantic sensors. is it a negative having more megapixels?

Phones use computational photography which has different requirements. More megapixels = less light for the sensor as your photosites are smaller which also means less speed, not really an issue for phones that take several long exposures and stitch them together. Also higher resolutions are effectively pointless unless you’re blowing up the image to an insane (Billboard scale) degree. Medium format cameras (larger than conventional Full Frame sensors) with 50-100MP exist for that purpose. More light >>>>>>> more MP for 99% of use cases. 

[jre84]

13 hours ago, RabbidEwok said:

Phones use computational photography which has different requirements. More megapixels = less light for the sensor as your photosites are smaller which also means less speed, not really an issue for phones that take several long exposures and stitch them together. Also higher resolutions are effectively pointless unless you’re blowing up the image to an insane (Billboard scale) degree. Medium format cameras (larger than conventional Full Frame sensors) with 50-100MP exist for that purpose. More light >>>>>>> more MP for 99% of use cases. 

thanks I understand now..I just thought it was weird having 108mp(cell) and seeing 20mp 15 years ago? like in 15 years you would expect some pretty big advances..