Help: Building a new PC

[Shobhit Bhardwaj]

Budget (including currency): 1500-2000 CAD

Country: Canada

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Some random gaming, heavy VM setup

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

Here is my existing cart from newegg.ca but not sure if its accurate or not:

Case: https://www.newegg.ca/black-fractal-design-meshify-c-tg-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811352084?Item=N82E16811352084

Motherboard: https://www.newegg.ca/asus-tuf-gaming-x570-pro/p/N82E16813119353?Item=N82E16813119353

Power Supply: https://www.newegg.ca/seasonic-focus-plus-750-gold-ssr-750fx-750w/p/N82E16817151187?Item=N82E16817151187

Processor: https://www.newegg.ca/amd-ryzen-7-3800x/p/N82E16819113104?Item=N82E16819113104

SSD: https://www.newegg.ca/samsung-970-evo-plus-1tb/p/N82E16820147743?Item=N82E16820147743

HDD: https://www.newegg.ca/seagate-barracuda-st2000dm008-2tb/p/N82E16822184773?Item=N82E16822184773

RAM: https://www.newegg.ca/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232476?Item=N82E16820232476
Cooler: https://www.newegg.ca/cooler-master-hyper-212-rgb-black-edition-rr-212s-20pc-r1/p/N82E16835103277?Item=N82E16835103277

 

Please suggest what's wrong with this or what can be added. Any latest graphic card is out of stock. So I can go with integrated for now.

I am also building it from perspective of easy future upgrades.

Current cart value: ~1500 CAD

 

[curiousmind34]

2 minutes ago, Shobhit Bhardwaj said:

Budget (including currency): 1500-2000 CAD

Country: Country

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Some random gaming, heavy VM setup

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

Here is my existing cart from newegg.ca but not sure if its accurate or not:

Case: https://www.newegg.ca/black-fractal-design-meshify-c-tg-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811352084?Item=N82E16811352084

Motherboard: https://www.newegg.ca/asus-tuf-gaming-x570-pro/p/N82E16813119353?Item=N82E16813119353

Power Supply: https://www.newegg.ca/seasonic-focus-plus-750-gold-ssr-750fx-750w/p/N82E16817151187?Item=N82E16817151187

Processor: https://www.newegg.ca/amd-ryzen-7-3800x/p/N82E16819113104?Item=N82E16819113104

SSD: https://www.newegg.ca/samsung-970-evo-plus-1tb/p/N82E16820147743?Item=N82E16820147743

HDD: https://www.newegg.ca/seagate-barracuda-st2000dm008-2tb/p/N82E16822184773?Item=N82E16822184773

RAM: https://www.newegg.ca/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232476?Item=N82E16820232476
Cooler: https://www.newegg.ca/cooler-master-hyper-212-rgb-black-edition-rr-212s-20pc-r1/p/N82E16835103277?Item=N82E16835103277

 

Please suggest what's wrong with this or what can be added. Any latest graphic card is out of stock. So I can go with integrated for now.

Current cart value: ~1500 CAD

 

I doubt there is a difference in performance between the 3700x and 3800x worth 60 CAD. Maybe there is, someone else can disagree here if they think so.

[RAM555789]

26 minutes ago, Shobhit Bhardwaj said:

Please suggest what's wrong with this or what can be added. Any latest graphic card is out of stock. So I can go with integrated for now

What do you mean integrated? Only the APU line of of chips from AMD have graphics processing capabilities. If you want graphic output your gonna need some kind of GPU even if its really old like a 900 or 700 series card.

[curiousmind34]

Just now, RAM555789 said:

What do you mean integrated? Only the APU line of of chips from AMD have graphics processing capabilities. If you want graphic output your gonna need some kind of GPU even if its really old like a 900 or 700 series card.

if you want to use integrated graphics you should pay the extra 10 bucks for a 9900k over the 3800x

[RAM555789]

I went and made the build on PCPartPicker, just a little easier to sort through that way. Also used a 3700X over the 3800X

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($419.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler  ($53.00 @ Vuugo) 
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($234.00 @ Newegg Canada) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($129.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($199.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($64.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($124.00 @ Vuugo) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($144.99 @ PC-Canada) 
Total: $1370.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-03-02 14:03 EST-0500

[curiousmind34]

Just now, RAM555789 said:

PCPartPicker Part List: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/7fGcvf

CPU: Intel Core i9-9900K (Standard Folding Box) 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($499.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler  ($53.00 @ Vuugo) 
Motherboard: MSI Z390-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($139.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($129.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($199.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($64.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($124.00 @ Vuugo) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($144.99 @ PC-Canada) 
Total: $1356.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-03-02 14:09 EST-0500

9900k build for if you don't already have a gpu

 

[Shobhit Bhardwaj]

10 minutes ago, RAM555789 said:

What do you mean integrated? Only the APU line of of chips from AMD have graphics processing capabilities. If you want graphic output your gonna need some kind of GPU even if its really old like a 900 or 700 series card.

Any budget graphic card you can suggest which can output at 144hz? Again, I have a PS4 for gaming so prime focus on this PC is not gaming. That's why don't want to spend 1000 dollars on a graphic card.

[RAM555789]

The big thing with the intel motherboards, is to get something in stock with wifi your gonna be paying a premium. If you need wifi, I suggest just getting a card for it.

[RAM555789]

Just now, Shobhit Bhardwaj said:

Any budget graphic card you can suggest which can output at 144hz? Again, I have a PS4 for gaming so prime focus on this PC is not gaming. That's why don't want to spend 1000 dollars on a graphic card.

Just get the cheapest used GPU you can find. If your not gonna be doing much gaming, the the refresh rate of the monitor shouldn't matter for non gaming purposes.

[Shobhit Bhardwaj]

Overall is it better to go for AMD based setup or Intel based setup these days? It's been ages since I built my last PC so lost touch of latest stuff.

[curiousmind34]

4 minutes ago, Shobhit Bhardwaj said:

Any budget graphic card you can suggest which can output at 144hz? Again, I have a PS4 for gaming so prime focus on this PC is not gaming. That's why don't want to spend 1000 dollars on a graphic card.

displayport on the intel motherboard supports 4k 60, so it would support 1440p high refresh rate should be fine

[curiousmind34]

amd is generally a bit less stable than intel. (intel better be stable after 14nm+++++++++) and intel tends to do better in single threaded loads and amd is a bit better in multithreaded loads. 

[Shobhit Bhardwaj]

2 minutes ago, curiousmind34 said:

amd is generally a bit less stable than intel. (intel better be stable after 14nm+++++++++) and intel tends to do better in single threaded loads and amd is a bit better in multithreaded loads. 

Makes sense. ! more question: is single Cooler master CPU cooler should be enough or there is a need to include additional fans with a radiator (front or top) in the build?

[Shobhit Bhardwaj]

12 minutes ago, RAM555789 said:

Just get the cheapest used GPU you can find. If your not gonna be doing much gaming, the the refresh rate of the monitor shouldn't matter for non gaming purposes.

I was planning to go for this GPU initially: GTX 1030 https://www.newegg.ca/gigabyte-geforce-gt-1030-gv-n1030oc-2gi/p/N82E16814932004?Item=N82E16814932004

[curiousmind34]

21 minutes ago, Shobhit Bhardwaj said:

Makes sense. ! more question: is single Cooler master CPU cooler should be enough or there is a need to include additional fans with a radiator (front or top) in the build?

2 case fans should be fine. I have this cpu and had that exact cooler in an h510 with the included 2 case fans, it would heat up to 99c after 20 mins of sustained load, but I haven't really seen it throttle. In real world use case it doesn't throttle because I'm not hammering it at 100%, so unless you do that, the included case fans should be fine.

[Shobhit Bhardwaj]

1 more thing. I notice that Motherboard: MSI Z390-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard says that when 1 M.2 is used, SATA port gets disabled. Are all the SATA ports disabled or only 1?

[curiousmind34]

21 minutes ago, Shobhit Bhardwaj said:

1 more thing. I notice that Motherboard: MSI Z390-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard says that when 1 M.2 is used, SATA port gets disabled. Are all the SATA ports disabled or only 1?

it disabled sata ports 5 and 6. The other 4 work fine

[Shobhit Bhardwaj]

17 minutes ago, curiousmind34 said:

it disabled sata ports 5 and 6. The other 4 work fine

Also, does this motherboard supports SSD boot? In case I don't plan to buy HDD

[curiousmind34]

14 minutes ago, Shobhit Bhardwaj said:

Also, does this motherboard supports SSD boot? In case I don't plan to buy HDD

yes, I am typing this to you on my motherboard which is booted for my m.2 drive. Even if you did end up buying an hdd, I reccomend storing an os on an ssd because it’s much faster to boot. You can configure boot priority in the bios.

[Shobhit Bhardwaj]

is 750W power supply an overkill right now or future safe in case I add a RTX 30 series graphic card? @curiousmind34

[curiousmind34]

25 minutes ago, Shobhit Bhardwaj said:

is 750W power supply an overkill right now or future safe in case I add a RTX 30 series graphic card? @curiousmind34

its not overkill; if there is more than a 20% chance of you getting a 30 series graphics card I would pay the extra 25 CAD.

[Shobhit Bhardwaj]

This is my final list then: 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i9-9900K (Standard Folding Box) 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$499.99 @ Newegg Canada
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler	$53.00 @ Vuugo
Motherboard	MSI Z390-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$139.99 @ Canada Computers
Memory	Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	$129.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$199.99 @ Amazon Canada
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case	$124.00 @ Vuugo
Power Supply	SeaSonic FOCUS 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$144.99 @ PC-Canada
Wireless Network Adapter	TP-Link Archer TX50E PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac/ax Wi-Fi Adapter	$58.58 @ Amazon Canada
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1350.53
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-03-02 17:10 EST-0500

 

 

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, Shobhit Bhardwaj said:

This is my final list then: 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i9-9900K (Standard Folding Box) 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$499.99 @ Newegg Canada
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler	$53.00 @ Vuugo
Motherboard	MSI Z390-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$139.99 @ Canada Computers
Memory	Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	$129.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$199.99 @ Amazon Canada
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case	$124.00 @ Vuugo
Power Supply	SeaSonic FOCUS 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$144.99 @ PC-Canada
Wireless Network Adapter	TP-Link Archer TX50E PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac/ax Wi-Fi Adapter	$58.58 @ Amazon Canada
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1350.53
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-03-02 17:10 EST-0500

 

 

That is pretty horrible. Why are you looking at a 9900K and Z390 ? The i7 10700K is cheaper. Also that board is not ideal for a 9900K and I doubt the cooler is good enough either. The 9900K runs hot.

 

Do you need wifi 6 ?

 

The HP EX950 1TB is cheaper.

 

Also Z590 is out and the 11th gen is due this month. That might have an effect on current prices.

 

 

[Shobhit Bhardwaj]

23 hours ago, lee32uk said:

That is pretty horrible. Why are you looking at a 9900K and Z390 ? The i7 10700K is cheaper. Also that board is not ideal for a 9900K and I doubt the cooler is good enough either. The 9900K runs hot.

 

Do you need wifi 6 ?

 

The HP EX950 1TB is cheaper.

 

Also Z590 is out and the 11th gen is due this month. That might have an effect on current prices.

 

 

Hmm, here are my thoughts:

1) I prefer to get a 11th gen intel but that is a month away and will increase cost of build

2) I can go AMD way with latest 3rd gen chips, but those does not have integrated graphics. that means I have to get a graphics card which are rare in market to get hold off

3) I prefer wifi6 because I already have Asus Ax86U wifi6 router with 1 Gig Up/Down connection and it's better to have a build which already have Wifi6 card

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, Shobhit Bhardwaj said:

Hmm, here are my thoughts:

1) I prefer to get a 11th gen intel but that is a month away and will increase cost of build

2) I can go AMD way with latest 3rd gen chips, but those does not have integrated graphics. that means I have to get a graphics card which are rare in market to get hold off

3) I prefer wifi6 because I already have Asus Ax86U wifi6 router with 1 Gig Up/Down connection and it's better to have a build which already have Wifi6 card

The 11th gen is out this month, so maybe 4 weeks to wait max. You should at least see what prices/reviews are like. If you want something now then the i7 10700K is cheaper than the 9900K. It doesn't make sense to buy a cpu that will be 2 versions old in a few weeks.

 

The Ryzen cpu's don't have onboard graphics but you could put the cheapest gpu in there for the short term. You won't be doing any gaming with onboard graphics anyway. 

 

If you need wifi 6 then fair enough. 

 

 

Here is a 10700K build if you don't want to wait.

 

No RGB but you can swap out the Ram if you want the Corsair etc.

 

The Noctua D15S is a better cooler than the CM 212. The Intel cpu's can run hot so you want a good cooling solution.

 

The MSI board has wifi 6 onboard.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-10700K 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($439.50 @ Vuugo) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S chromax.black 82.51 CFM CPU Cooler  ($119.95 @ Amazon Canada) 
Motherboard: MSI MPG Z490 GAMING EDGE WIFI ATX LGA1200 Motherboard  ($279.00 @ Newegg Canada) 
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($99.99 @ Memory Express) 
Storage: HP EX950 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($143.99 @ PC-Canada) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($124.00 @ Vuugo) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($144.99 @ PC-Canada) 
Total: $1351.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-03-03 18:06 EST-0500