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Hello forum,first post!

 

To start off, I am new to building computers, and ive been trying to teach myself how to build one. I have multiple questions, so bear with me. My main focus for this computer is to be able to play games at high-ultra gaming quality. Currently my ASUS laptop lets me play mostly all games without frame rate drops, but it's usually at the lowest quality. Currently my budget is around 1400$ (preferably less) with all peripherals, not including speakers and mouse. I'm planning as well to buy everything from canadacomputers.com. I'll number my questions so it's easier to reply.

 

So I know I want the ASUS GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB GDDR5 as my video card because multiple people have told me this newly released videocard is extremely good. Also I wanted an intel processor because I also heard that it's more expensive, yet better quality than AMD processors.

 

Recently, on linustechtips youtube channel, I watched a video called Ultimate guide to Value Graphics card shopping (http://youtu.be/lpGfA6g0-0Y?t=2m43s). I was kind of confused about this.

 

On the chart it says that for bioshock Infinite, a 4670k+750 Ti give it the best frame rate. So i searched this up and a 4670k is an intel i5, and my question is,(1) wouldnt a Intel Core i7-4770 Quad-core Processor work better?(2) Also difference between 3.4hz vs. 3.5hz?

 

As for RAM, i've been doing a little bit of research and I thought that 16gb of RAM would not be needed in my case because im not doing any rendering or anything of that matter. 8gb would be more suitable.(3) Thoughts on that? What would you recommend? Also I was just wondering, (4)Theoretically, if I wanted 16gb, would 4x4gb be better, or would 2x8gb be? My thought process is that 4x4 would be better because work is more distributed amongst different cards.

 

For cooling, I heard that the two main components needed to be cooled was the CPU, and GPU. So my main questions is.(5) For whichever proccessor you believe would be better, what cooling system do you recommend for both? and case that would fit it. I heard liquid was good so I'm more interested in that.

 

I realized I should of talked about motherboards first,(6) but for motherboards I'm wondering between the ASUS Z87-K Socket 1150 Intel Z87 Chipset, and the MSI Z87-G45 Gaming Socket 1150 Intel Z87 Chipset. comments, thoughts?

 

Lastly, for power supply, (7)how much watts do you think I will need?

 

Here is a list of the links with the hardware I just described

ASUS GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB GDDR5:                                              http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_1200_557_559&item_id=068914

Intel Core i5-4670k Quad-Core Processor:                                            http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4_1210_65&item_id=060639

Intel Core i7-4770 Quad-core Processor:                                               http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4_1210_65&item_id=060637

MSI Z87-G45 Gaming Socket 1150 Intel Z87 Chipset:                            http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_1207_1206_1201&item_id=060707

ASUS Z87-K Socket 1150 Intel Z87 Chipset:                                           http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_1207_1206_1201&item_id=061014

 

I might look like a total ass that does not make any sense at all, but critism is need because I would like to broaden my knowledge on building pc's. Thank you (:

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That msi board smashes the asus and its probably better to go with the i5 in your case.

 

Also i dont see any power supply. Get at least 500 watts with a 80+ badge.

 

As for the gpu, im against asus, they have shameful customer service at least in the Uk, i dont want to repeat that for myself or for the fellow members of this forum, as its your first build id recommend you play it safe and get a different card manufacture

 

http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_1200_557_559&item_id=068523

 

This is more expensive but think of it as paying more for warrenty that will actually work, asus are very iffy in their warrenty i had to threaten them to court due to a doa on a gt 610, then a few months later they decide to actually rma.

cpu: intel i5 4670k @ 4.5ghz Ram: G skill ares 2x4gb 2166mhz cl10 Gpu: GTX 680 liquid cooled cpu cooler: Raijintek ereboss Mobo: gigabyte z87x ud5h psu: cm gx650 bronze Case: Zalman Z9 plus


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Cpu: intel i7 4770k @ 4.2ghz Ram: G skill  ripjaws 2x4gb Gpu: nvidia gtx 970 cpu cooler: akasa venom voodoo Mobo: G1.Sniper Z6 Psu: XFX proseries 650w Case: Zalman H1

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750Ti has good performance/power consumption ratio, but it still loses the GTX770 (which you can include with $1.4K budget) in sheer power. Go for 770, preferably not the reference one (I dig the MSI).

 

Power supply - 650W is going to be more than enough.

 

i7 would be better than i5, the question is - does it worth paying more for i7? (I think in your case it isn't). As for cooling - if you really wanna go liquid - get an AIO system, something from Corsair, for example.

 

Go with the MSI board. 8Gb of RAM is enough in most cases, but if you can, go for 16, it never hurts to have extra memory.

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750Ti has good performance/power consumption ratio, but it still loses the GTX770 (which you can include with $1.4K budget) in sheer power. Go for 770, preferably not the reference one (I dig the MSI).

 

Power supply - 650W is going to be more than enough.

 

i7 would be better than i5, the question is - does it worth paying more for i7? (I think in your case it isn't). As for cooling - if you really wanna go liquid - get an AIO system, something from Corsair, for example.

 

Go with the MSI board. 8Gb of RAM is enough in most cases, but if you can, go for 16, it never hurts to have extra memory

Thanks a lot! In regards to memory, what company would you recommend?

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Thanks a lot! In regards to memory, what company would you recommend?

I prefer Corsair or G.Skill.

 

Anyway, if I was doing a similar build, it would be something like that:

 

 
CPU:  Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($189.99 @ Micro Center) 
CPU Cooler:  Corsair H110 94.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($109.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard:  MSI Z87-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($144.99 @ NCIX US) 
Storage:  Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($87.02 @ SuperBiiz) 
Video Card:  MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card  ($319.99 @ NCIX US) 
Case:  NZXT H440 (White/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($119.99 @ NCIX US) 
Power Supply:  Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($64.99 @ Micro Center) 
Total: $1283.94
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-22 17:42 EDT-0400)
 
Just let me check if the RAM is verified by MSI to work with this board.

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I prefer Corsair or G.Skill

 

Anyway, if I was doing a similar build, it would be something like that:

 

 
CPU:  Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($189.99 @ Micro Center) 
CPU Cooler:  Corsair H110 94.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($109.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard:  MSI Z87-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($144.99 @ NCIX US) 
Storage:  Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($87.02 @ SuperBiiz) 
Video Card:  MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card  ($319.99 @ NCIX US) 
Case:  NZXT H440 (White/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($119.99 @ NCIX US) 
Power Supply:  Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($64.99 @ Micro Center) 
Total: $1283.94
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-22 17:42 EDT-0400)

 

For a first build, I would get a non-k i5 and a b85 motherboard and save some money because first time builders usually don't OC

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For a first build, I would get a non-k i5 and a b85 motherboard and save some money because first time builders usually don't OC

It never hurts to have the ability to overclock, and we're still well within the budget, so why not?

 

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Ooops, sorry, didn't see "with all the perephials" line. You also need a monitor and keyboard, right?

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1. The primary difference between the i7 and i5 is the i7 has hyperthreading, a useful technology for video editing. From what you're telling me, you'll be primarily gaming, so an i5 would work just fine for you. There are some minor performance benefits with the i7 though. 

2. Simply put, 3.5 Ghz vs 3.4 makes your computer slightly faster, as you're increasing the clock speed, and increasing the operations per second that your CPU does. I'm not a pro at this question. 

3. Don't waste your money on things like Dominator Platinums and don't go over 2133 mhz. A head spreader is nice to have. To get you started: Corsair Vengeance, Crucial Ballistix, G Skill Ripjaws X, and  Adata XPG, V1 or V2.  

4. Alright. A motherboard's RAM slots are organized into channels. A "dual" channel motherboard would mean you should purchase your RAM in sets of two. A "quad" channel motherboard would mean you should purchase your RAM in sets of four. You don't have to, but doing so will make your RAM perform optimally. 

5. You seem like with a $1400 budget you could do well with liquid cooling. Make sure your case supports your radiator size though. If it supports the fan size, it will also support the radiator size. Just make sure you have enough clearance (Enough space to prevent parts from physically interfering with others). Also, if you buy liquid cooling, you MUST... well, not must, but you should overclock your CPU to make liquid cooling worth it. 

6. They are both outstanding motherboards, but the MSI board is slighly better with things like Crossfire and SLI. 

7. 500W is usually enough. You should use a calculator though: http://support.asus.com/powersupply.aspx

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PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3exD9

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3exD9/by_merchant/


 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($229.99 @ NCIX US) 

CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($98.99 @ Best Buy) 

Motherboard: MSI Z87-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($144.99 @ NCIX US) 

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($72.25 @ Newegg) 

Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($83.99 @ Amazon) 

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($88.98 @ SuperBiiz) 

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card  ($319.99 @ NCIX US) 

Power Supply: Corsair Professional 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($103.98 @ Newegg) 

Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer  ($19.98 @ OutletPC) 

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($84.99 @ NCIX US) 

Total: $1248.13

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-22 18:02 EDT-0400) 

 

Since the case is very personal, I'll leave that up to you. Just make sure it supports a dual radiator. 

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Since the case is very personal, I'll leave that up to you. Just make sure it supports a dual radiator. 

The OP also wants the peripherals (excluding mouse and speakers), so our $1200 builds might not work out.

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Are you limited to canadacomputers or are you open to other Canadian vendors?

1. The only difference between the i5 and i7 is slightly higher clock, hyperthreading, and a bit more cache which doesn't really benefit gaming. the 4670k would be better than the 4770 because the k indicates that it's unlocked for overclocking.

2. 3.5 ghz is higher than 3.4 ghz. The difference is 100 mhz which is basically the clock speed of the cpu. 

3. Brand of ram doesn't really matter. You only need as much ram as is needed for what you're doing. Games aren't really memory intensive.

4. The number of sticks you have don't matter. But even if it's just a bit, less sticks = less problems

5. If you're comparing the 4670k and the 4770k, the 4670k would be better. This isn't what I think but is just how it is. Liquid cooling is more expensive than air, generally louder unless you spend a good deal more than air cooling, and is unecessary especially for gaming.

6. If you don't need any special features, it doesn't really matter what motherboard you get as long as it works.

7. You'd be fine with a decent 250w for your current plans but a 4670k + 750 Ti is a really bad idea compared the the plethora of better options available. The example was used as an example on in the video and not at all recommended as a good configuration for gaming.

Yeah, but he said "1400$", not "1400CAD". 

He also said canadacomputers.

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CPU:  Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($249.00 @ Canada Computers) 

CPU Cooler:  Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($99.99 @ Canada Computers) 

Motherboard:  ASRock Z87M OC Formula Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($199.98 @ Newegg Canada) 

Memory:  A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($79.99 @ NCIX) 

Storage:  Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.99 @ DirectCanada) 

Video Card:  Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card  ($368.75 @ Vuugo) 

Case:  NZXT H440 (White/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($167.11 @ TigerDirect Canada) 

Power Supply:  EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($44.99 @ NCIX) 

Monitor:  AOC i2267Fw 60Hz 22.0" Monitor  ($129.99 @ NCIX) 


Total: $1430.79

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-22 18:16 EDT-0400)

 

 

How bout' this?

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First of all, yes i am referring to 1400CAD, and I would preferably like it all to be on Canada Computers because their store location is very close to my home. It would also save me a lot of hassle! Also, I just decided that it would be 1400CAD strictly for the hardware, not including peripherals.

 

With the whole liquid cooling system idea, do you think this build would benefit more from fan cooling, or liquid cooling?

 

Again, I'd like to thank you all, you have answered my questions very well and this community has been very hospitable!

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First of all, yes i am referring to 1400CAD, and I would preferably like it all to be on Canada Computers because their store location is very close to my home. It would also save me a lot of hassle! Also, I just decided that it would be 1400CAD strictly for the hardware, not including peripherals.

 

With the whole liquid cooling system idea, do you think this build would benefit more from fan cooling, or liquid cooling?

 

Again, I'd like to thank you all, you have answered my questions very well and this community has been very hospitable!

Why not order online? the site I use includes shipping costs.

Diamond 5 in League :)

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1.PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

 
CPU:  Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($249.00 @ Canada Computers) 
CPU Cooler:  Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($99.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Motherboard:  Asus Maximus VI Formula ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($309.00 @ Canada Computers) 
Memory:  Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($84.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Storage:  A-Data Premier Pro SP600 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($72.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Storage:  Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($62.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Video Card:  Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card  ($379.00 @ Canada Computers) 
Case:  Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case  ($104.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Power Supply:  EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($54.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Total: $1417.94
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-22 18:39 EDT-0400)
 
 
2.

 
CPU:  Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($249.00 @ Canada Computers) 
CPU Cooler:  Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($74.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Motherboard:  Gigabyte GA-Z87N-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($132.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Memory:  Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($84.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Storage:  A-Data Premier Pro SP600 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($72.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Storage:  Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($62.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Video Card:  Asus GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card  ($589.00 @ Canada Computers) 
Case:  Fractal Design Arc Mini MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($74.88 @ Canada Computers) 
Power Supply:  EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($54.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Total: $1396.82
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-22 18:42 EDT-0400)
 
 
3.
 
CPU:  Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($249.00 @ Canada Computers) 
CPU Cooler:  Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($99.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Motherboard:  Asus Z87-K ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($122.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Memory:  Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($84.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Storage:  A-Data Premier Pro SP600 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($72.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Storage:  Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($62.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Video Card:  Asus GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card  ($589.00 @ Canada Computers) 
Case:  Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Power Supply:  EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($54.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Total: $1436.93
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-22 18:44 EDT-0400)

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Just stop questioning... Asrock was originally a part of ASUS.. its now its own company, thats how great their boards are.

Fine, ASRock is better because... reasons.

 

Anyway, 1400CAD build:

 
CPU:  Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($249.00 @ Canada Computers) 
CPU Cooler:  Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($65.12 @ Newegg Canada) 
Motherboard:  MSI Z87-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($159.99 @ Memory Express) 
Memory:  G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory  ($86.64 @ DirectCanada) 
Storage:  Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($99.99 @ Memory Express) 
Video Card:  MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card  ($389.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Case:  NZXT H440 (White/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($167.11 @ TigerDirect Canada) 
Power Supply:  Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($63.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Total: $1346.56
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-22 18:48 EDT-0400)
 
Just make H60 work in push-pull config and it will handle 4670K with no problems.

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Fine, ASRock is better because... reasons.

 

Anyway, 1400CAD build:

 
CPU:  Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($249.00 @ Canada Computers) 
CPU Cooler:  Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($65.12 @ Newegg Canada) 
Motherboard:  MSI Z87-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($159.99 @ Memory Express) 
Memory:  G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory  ($86.64 @ DirectCanada) 
Storage:  Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($99.99 @ Memory Express) 
Video Card:  MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card  ($389.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Case:  NZXT H440 (White/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($167.11 @ TigerDirect Canada) 
Power Supply:  Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($63.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Total: $1346.56
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-22 18:48 EDT-0400)

 

He wanted it from Canada Computers :I

Diamond 5 in League :)

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