Schiit Modi & Magni (Stack)

[SirRoderick]

FTFY.

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

[mr moose]

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

It's only a bad thing when people don't realise they are reading marketing material because it is cleverly disguised as a blog or a mission statement etc.   Not saying that you don't realise or anything like that, I did consider putting in this   face to indicate that my concerns are not aimed at you as such,  but decided against it because it can also come across as demeaning.

[mr moose]

Some of the best systems I've heard and that grace the homes of high end audiophiles contain tube amplifiers. 

 

Every amp distorts the signal. 

 

At the end of the day an audiophile is someone who likes audio,  if they like low fidelity sound reproduction then tubes are great, but they cannot be used in high fidelity reproduction equipment.  It is simply an oxymoron to call a tube amp a hifi amp. 

[SirRoderick]

It's only a bad thing when people don't realise they are reading marketing material because it is cleverly disguised as a blog or a mission statement etc.   Not saying that you don't realise or anything like that, I did consider putting in this   face to indicate that my concerns are not aimed at you as such,  but decided against it because it can also come across as demeaning.

I never consider that as demeaning

Your point is valid of course, but marketing material still let's you glean valuable information on the values of a company a lot of the time.

 

At the end of the day an audiophile is someone who likes audio,  if they like low fidelity sound reproduction then tubes are great, but they cannot be used in high fidelity reproduction equipment.  It is simply an oxymoron to call a tube amp a hifi amp. 

 

THANK YOU

 

You would not believe how often people jump down my throat for that. I don't care if you like tube amps or not, but it aint accurate.

[mr moose]

I never consider that as demeaning

Your point is valid of course, but marketing material still let's you glean valuable information on the values of a company a lot of the time.

 

 

THANK YOU

 

You would not believe how often people jump down my throat for that. I don't care if you like tube amps or not, but it aint accurate.

 

Oh, I believe it, being a semantic data nazi, I get lectured all the time for pointing out the inaccuracies of so-called "common knowledge". It kinda sucks when I'm wrong though. :unsure:

[STiTRON]

I never consider that as demeaning

Your point is valid of course, but marketing material still let's you glean valuable information on the values of a company a lot of the time.

 

 

THANK YOU

 

You would not believe how often people jump down my throat for that. I don't care if you like tube amps or not, but it aint accurate.

i'm lollling so hard right now. Have you heard audio research amps? Have you ever listened to a pair of wilson watt puppys?

I'm not questioning the fact that solid state will give you more "accurate" aka less thd than a valve driven setup. But have you listened to a super high end valve amplifier with a solid set of speakers. Solid state can't compete IMO. 

 

Yes I'm jumping down your throat right now. lol

[SirRoderick]

i'm lollling so hard right now. Have you heard audio research amps? Have you ever listened to a pair of wilson watt puppys?

I'm not questioning the fact that solid state will give you more "accurate" aka less thd than a valve driven setup. But have you listened to a super high end valve amplifier with a solid set of speakers. Solid state can't compete IMO. 

 

Yes I'm jumping down your throat right now. lol

I don't CARE if you like it bettter, it's objectively less accurate and cannot exactly represent the source file. You even admit that, that was the only point made.

 

If you want to be elitist about your super expensive tube amps take it to someone who cares.

[STiTRON]

I don't CARE if you like it bettter, it's objectively less accurate and cannot exactly represent the source file. You even admit that, that was the only point made.

 

If you want to be elitist about your super expensive tube amps take it to someone who cares.

 

No elitist here, just a tube fan. I'm just trying to see what people have experience with. Sure low end tube amps can be less accurate but some of the higher end ones are just as accurate and brilliant as solid states. That's why I asked questions about nicer tube setups. 

[peaking duck]

available in 230v (AUS?)

[mr moose]

No elitist here, just a tube fan. I'm just trying to see what people have experience with. Sure low end tube amps can be less accurate but some of the higher end ones are just as accurate and brilliant as solid states. That's why I asked questions about nicer tube setups. 

I have experience with a lot of this shill,  Having listened to everything from $99 reject shop tubes to amps costing 10's of thousands of dollars, they are not worth it, in fact even if you were to pay the engineers handsomely for there effort, put a respectable profit margin on the parts and sales etc they would still only be worth half  if not a 1/4 of what some companies charge.  There is a lot of fat in the industry  and not much truth. Add to that that a tube (no matter how expensive) will never be as accurate as a SS amp.  that is just a cold hard fact of reality.   Essentially the difference between "low end" and "high end" is two tenths of bugger all.

[Chap]

Linus... I know you won't like this... but I suggest you try the Audioengine D1.

 

While I find it to be overkill... for just about anyone, honestly (I used to be an audiophile, got tired of the BS marketing), I bought one for the feature set as it suited me perfectly.

It's got a dead quiet headphone amp that run 250ohm headphones well (going higher resistance headphones doesn't do any good), RCA out, optical in, runs off USB power (with USB input), volume control also controls RCA output level, and it's small.

The Schiit stack is good for only running heaphones; there's no optional RCA output.

The O2 DAC+Amp is also good, but doesn't offer RCA output.

Both run from the wall, so it's another cable to plug in.

 

 

The only downsides I see the D1 having is no 1/4" headphone jack, not highly powered, and can be finicky with USB power and bitrate (both can cause static in the noise floor).

 

Anyways, worth a shot. This is my first time on the forums, and I have to say I enjoy your videos a lot! Don't let the audiophiles bug you too much; they're nice people... sometimes. 

As someone who has been looking for a amp/dac and thinking of a shiit stack,/O2/audioengine d1, this would be a great addition as these three solutions all fall in that entry level audiophile price range

[CypherZx]

As someone who has been looking for a amp/dac and thinking of a shiit stack,/O2/audioengine d1, this would be a great addition as these three solutions all fall in that entry level audiophile price range

I actually went with the Audioengine D1 over the Schiit stack because I wanted the option of having a optical input but found it didnt have enough juice to power my Beyerdynamic DT 990 premium 250ohm headphones so I purchased the Magni with the PYST cables to pair with the D1 and after a good 3 months of burn in they sound great. 

[mr moose]

 and after a good 3 months of burn in they sound great. 

 

Must be broken or something.

[ratsswimmer]

Does anyone know of a similar product to this from the UK? The massive shipping and customs fees are too much for me

 

Is this suitable? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Audioengine-D1-Premium-24-bit-DAC/dp/B0079KWSF4/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1408393714&sr=8-4&keywords=dac+and+amp

[Emkryan]

It is a DAC or digital to analog converter and a headphone amp combo. essentially the DAC takes the digital song data from your computer (the 1's and 0's) and converts it into an analog wave (think soundwave) that can drive headphones to make sound. The Amp part simply makes the wave bigger so that higher impedence headphones (imagine high impedence headphones are a solid block of metal and low impedance headphones are a feather, they need a bigger wave to move them) can be driven properly. You might need this product if your onboard audio DAC solution is not very good, or you have very high impedance headphones.

I got BeyerDynamic DT770 PROs, 250 OHM version. would the Magni/Modi be good for me? sorry for the necro posting, trying to do research before buying