Element 2 overkill for LCD1??

[The Torrent]

I get its overkill.

 

But is it super overkill?? Im just thinking of buying it now then ill be sorted for at least a few years to come.

 

But it might be a 6 months, might be a year, might be 2 before i buy any other headphones.

 

So should i buy it now and be sorted and use if with LCD-1 for now.

 

Or buy something cheaper and buy it in maybe 6 months maybe a year when never stuff will be out, if anything newer will come out soon.

[Tigerleon]

2 hours ago, The Torrent said:

I get its overkill.

 

But is it super overkill?? Im just thinking of buying it now then ill be sorted for at least a few years to come.

 

But it might be a 6 months, might be a year, might be 2 before i buy any other headphones.

 

So should i buy it now and be sorted and use if with LCD-1 for now.

 

Or buy something cheaper and buy it in maybe 6 months maybe a year when never stuff will be out, if anything newer will come out soon.

WDYM overkill. At first you were against DAC/amps and now you want one for ~400 pounds?

[The Torrent]

7 minutes ago, Tigerleon said:

WDYM overkill. At first you were against DAC/amps and now you want one for ~400 pounds?

Against amp/dac’s for as senheiser game one.

 

I mean overkill so it not worth the price. Too good for the headphones that i won’t get any advantage, etc etc.

[The Flying Sloth]

The LCD 1 headphones are extremely easy to drive and do not require a headphone amp, being as sensitive as they are means that so long as your onboard audio isn't noisy you won't see much improvement from an amp. Of course I will always support using outboard audio solutions but with these there's no reason to go crazy with the amplification or source.

[The Torrent]

10 minutes ago, The Flying Sloth said:

The LCD 1 headphones are extremely easy to drive and do not require a headphone amp, being as sensitive as they are means that so long as your onboard audio isn't noisy you won't see much improvement from an amp. Of course I will always support using outboard audio solutions but with these there's no reason to go crazy with the amplification or source.

Ok so first let me say that the only reason im going the Element 2 over the atom stack is that its metal, looks a lot better.

 

Secondly, a 2015 macbook pro sounds a lot better than my b450 onboard. A dongle i have been alerted is much lesser than the 2015 onboard.

 

So if im gonna spend 100 quid, i might as well spend 200 quid and not have to upgrade in a year and that got me to where i am now at 360 quid lol.

 

So i dont need volume, i need quality.

 

Now what im questioning is, is it worth it for me to buy it now and maybe get some hd800s in a year or so, or should i buy it when i need it and maybe there will be newer stuff out (and hence i last without it for now with my poor onboard, which is poor but livable).

[The Flying Sloth]

2 minutes ago, The Torrent said:

So i dont need volume, i need quality.

 

Now what im questioning is, is it worth it for me to buy it now and maybe get some hd800s in a year or so, or should i buy it when i need it and maybe there will be newer stuff out (and hence i last without it for now with my poor onboard, which is poor but livable).

Volume and quality are inexorably linked, headphones that are harder to drive taking more power from the poor quality amplification chips on a motherboard will sound far worse at any given volume that easier to drive headphones.

 

The order in which you buy things is entirely up to you, if you're certain you'll be upgrading to the 800s it seems obvious to me that you should buy whatever you will be using to power the 800s if you're going to buy anything.

[The Torrent]

36 minutes ago, The Flying Sloth said:

Volume and quality are inexorably linked, headphones that are harder to drive taking more power from the poor quality amplification chips on a motherboard will sound far worse at any given volume that easier to drive headphones.

 

The order in which you buy things is entirely up to you, if you're certain you'll be upgrading to the 800s it seems obvious to me that you should buy whatever you will be using to power the 800s if you're going to buy anything.

dacs exist for a reason. If everything was always just amps then dacs wouldn't exist. Im thinking it would be more useful for the dac aspects for the LCD1. its not possible to buy a nice dac and then a temp cheap amp. The element 2 is a two in one.

 

So if i end up not buying a hd800 you think it would have been a waste of money? 

[The Flying Sloth]

3 hours ago, The Torrent said:

dacs exist for a reason. If everything was always just amps then dacs wouldn't exist. Im thinking it would be more useful for the dac aspects for the LCD1. its not possible to buy a nice dac and then a temp cheap amp. The element 2 is a two in one

If your audio isn't full of interference and you're not looking for specific hardware outputs or connectivity with specific audio gear a DAC is probably the thing that should affect your listening experience the least. Of course they exist for a reason, but that reason might not be so applicable for you. 

As for whether or not it's a waste of money, I've said it many times that I'm a stickler for efficiency, it's not so much a blanket waste of money but moreso a very inefficient use of money.

[rice guru]

The LCD 1 is pretty easy to drive you can definitely spend less on your signal chain. At that point I think it would be more worth the cash to get a $200 schiit stack and get a used LCD 2 for $600

 

[The Torrent]

36 minutes ago, rice guru said:

The LCD 1 is pretty easy to drive you can definitely spend less on your signal chain. At that point I think it would be more worth the cash to get a $200 schiit stack and get a used LCD 2 for $600

 

Schiit stack is not available in uk rn and even if it was it's comparable to the atom stack 

 

And atom stack is directly comparable aka basically the same as the element 2 except element 2 looks better and is metal.

 

So ur basically saying buy element and LCD except don't waste money on aesthetics which Is fair but I disagree.

 

I'm thinking of buying hd800s at some point in the next year or so anyway I wanna try some stuff that's not planar.

[The Flying Sloth]

53 minutes ago, rice guru said:

The LCD 1 is pretty easy to drive you can definitely spend less on your signal chain. At that point I think it would be more worth the cash to get a $200 schiit stack and get a used LCD 2 for $600

He wants to buy the LCD 1 and the Element 2, unfortunately there's no conversation happening here beyond OP reiterating that it is these products they are going to buy.

[The Torrent]

2 minutes ago, The Flying Sloth said:

He wants to buy the LCD 1 and the Element 2, unfortunately there's no conversation happening here beyond OP reiterating that it is these products they are going to buy.

No I already own LCD1.

 

What do you suggest then?

[rice guru]

3 minutes ago, The Torrent said:

No I already own LCD1.

 

What do you suggest then?

entirely depends on what headphones  you want in the future. but the lcd 1 was designed to be able to be driven pretty easily. I like the element 2 but is pricey for what it is 

[The Torrent]

5 minutes ago, The Flying Sloth said:

He wants to buy the LCD 1 and the Element 2, unfortunately there's no conversation happening here beyond OP reiterating that it is these products they are going to buy.

The guy you replied to basically said to me yes I recommend this, you keep saying no don't do that no don't do that but are yet to give any recommendations. 

[The Torrent]

Just now, rice guru said:

entirely depends on what headphones  you want in the future. but the lcd 1 was designed to be able to be driven pretty easily. I like the element 2 but is pricey for what it is 

I mean I might buy hd800s but there's always the chance I won't. My mac sounds better than my pc and that annoys me so I want to get something no matter what that is. And if I'm spending money I would much rather be a little more solid in the ground so I don't need to upgrade in a year or if when I do buy hd800s. Element 2 yea I get it's just a overpriced atom stack so could it as 250gbp but I would much rather pay the extra 100 quid for the metal construction and big knob.

[rice guru]

Just now, The Torrent said:

The guy you replied to basically said to me yes I recommend this, you keep saying no don't do that no don't do that but are yet to give any recommendations. 

I never said I would reccomend it all I said is I liked it. Im not much of  a DAC/amp fan personally especially for what the element 2 offers. if you buy a separate amp and dac you can get basically more performance out of your money. $100 DACs these days are pretty excellent and its hard to recommend any thing more for most people. and for $300 you can get quite a bit more power than what an element 2 offers. at $300 my personal picks would be something like a ifi stack, or a combination of a $100 dac and an asgard 3. I would also take the geshelli stack of ther the element 2. alls Im trying to say is as a person who prioritzes amp quality more than dac quality you can get much more out of your money than an element 2

 

[rice guru]

3 minutes ago, The Torrent said:

I mean I might buy hd800s but there's always the chance I won't. My mac sounds better than my pc and that annoys me so I want to get something no matter what that is. And if I'm spending money I would much rather be a little more solid in the ground so I don't need to upgrade in a year or if when I do buy hd800s. Element 2 yea I get it's just a overpriced atom stack so could it as 250gbp but I would much rather pay the extra 100 quid for the metal construction and big knob.

Hd 800s is pretty amp picky due to how sharp the treble can be. 

[The Torrent]

4 minutes ago, rice guru said:

I never said I would reccomend it all I said is I liked it. Im not much of  a DAC/amp fan personally especially for what the element 2 offers. if you buy a separate amp and dac you can get basically more performance out of your money. $100 DACs these days are pretty excellent and its hard to recommend any thing more for most people. and for $300 you can get quite a bit more power than what an element 2 offers. at $300 my personal picks would be something like a ifi stack, or a combination of a $100 dac and an asgard 3. I would also take the geshelli stack of ther the element 2. alls Im trying to say is as a person who prioritzes amp quality more than dac quality you can get much more out of your money than an element 2

 

Sorry quoted wrong person on that comment lol. Ok I will look at all those recommendations tomorrow thanks.

[The Torrent]

couldn't tell the difference between my phone with a 855+ and a rme fireface 800. screw it not gonna buy a dacamp ill buy it when i get the hd800's

[The Torrent]

ive decided to just buy a pair of hd800s first and run them off my onboard for the first 6 months.