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Tomahawk x570 overkill?

If I buy a 5900x with a x570 Tomahawk and not planning to OC, is it overkill? The CPU will be often rendering 3D images with all 12 cores running for long periods of time. Will it still run cool and stable with B550?.. or x570 is preferable im my case scenario? I used to be on Intel mobos, I'm kinda confused with the B550 and X570.

 

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B550 is X570 without SLI support (which is pretty much dead) and one or two other things.

Unless you need the features of that particular board or chipset, B550 should be fine.

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Just now, ragnarok0273 said:

B550 is X570 without SLI support (which is pretty much dead) and one or two other things.

Unless you need the features of that particular board or chipset, B550 should be fine.

Thanks very much!

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just take 3900x numbers, AMD follows the same power limits on Zen 3 as Zen 2 CPUs they replace. B550 is totally fine as long as the board itself carries everything you want (ilke some number of USB 3 ports, RGB header and so on). All you dont get is chipset based PCIe 4.0 and half the chipset bandwidth as a result.

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9 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

just take 3900x numbers, AMD follows the same power limits on Zen 3 as Zen 2 CPUs they replace. B550 is totally fine as long as the board itself carries everything you want (ilke some number of USB 3 ports, RGB header and so on). All you dont get is chipset based PCIe 4.0 and half the chipset bandwidth as a result.

PCIe 4.0 will probably be usefull to me in a few years... Thanks for your help :)

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3 minutes ago, Borgus Bohr said:

PCIe 4.0 will probably be usefull to me in a few years... Thanks for your help :)

there still is PCIe 4 for the top PCIe x16 lot and M.2 slot on B550, just not the rest unless you get the really expensive ones that directly compete with X570 in price..

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

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SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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8 minutes ago, Borgus Bohr said:

PCIe 4.0 will probably be usefull to me in a few years... Thanks for your help :)

You'll get at least 1 PCIe 4 m.2 slot with B550. I think it's enough for the boot drive.

For GPU may need 1 more generation to really need PCIe 4 x16 bandwidth.

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5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

there still is PCIe 4 for the top PCIe x16 lot and M.2 slot on B550, just not the rest unless you get the really expensive ones that directly compete with X570 in price..

Ah ok, I understand now. I will probably be fine with B550 then. I will not put more than one GPU and maybe two nvme m.2 ssds. 

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1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

there still is PCIe 4 for the top PCIe x16 lot and M.2 slot on B550, just not the rest unless you get the really expensive ones that directly compete with X570 in price..

Do you think a B550 Tomahawks will be ready for Ryzen 5000 or will it need a bios update?

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1 hour ago, Borgus Bohr said:

If I buy a 5900x with a x570 Tomahawk and not planning to OC, is it overkill? The CPU will be often rendering 3D images with all 12 cores running for long periods of time. Will it still run cool and stable with B550?.. or x570 is preferable im my case scenario? I used to be on Intel mobos, I'm kinda confused with the B550 and X570.

 

Thanks :)

Asus X570 TUF and X570 Aorus Elite are perfectly capable of handling a 5900x while being cheaper and having any feature that you could really want.

1 hour ago, ragnarok0273 said:

B550 is X570 without SLI support (which is pretty much dead) and one or two other things.

Unless you need the features of that particular board or chipset, B550 should be fine.

You do lose PCIE lanes on B550, so if you wanted more than 1 NVME drive, you'd not be getting gen 4 speeds, and they'd be going slower from the chipset to the cpu.

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1 hour ago, Borgus Bohr said:

Do you think a B550 Tomahawks will be ready for Ryzen 5000 or will it need a bios update?

Will need BIOS update, many boards offer BIOS flashback tho so it can updated without any CPU. Just power the board with the ATX 24pin and a USB stick with BIOS file inside

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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8 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Will need BIOS update, many boards offer BIOS flashback tho so it can updated without any CPU. Just power the board with the ATX 24pin and a USB stick with BIOS file inside

many thanks :)

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