New PC build

[Mattiie]

Budget (including currency): £2.5k

Country: UK

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Smite/WOW/Overwatch/Modded Skyrim etc

Other details - Looking to upgrade from a gaming laptop - MSI Ge62vr. 1060 i7. First desktop PC. Also need suggestions on good monitors, bought myself an MSI Optix G27C4, but not sure as to whether use this as my main monitor, or to buy a smaller higher def main one.

 

I've built a pc that interests me on Cyberpower UK and was just wanting peoples thoughts on how it can be improved etc.

 

Case: NZXT H511 Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ Tempered Glass Window panel (Matte White)

Case Upgrades (Fans and Lighting): 3x Cooler Master MF120 HALO ARGB PWM Fan Kit [+6]

Cyberpower Noise Reduction Technology: None

CPU (Processor): Intel® Core™ i9-10850K - 10-Core 3.60GHz, 5.20GHz Turbo - 20MB Cache, Ultimate OC Compatible (No On-board Graphics)

CPU Freebies: Intel 20Q4 Enthusiast Bundle

CPU Overclocking: Pro OC (Overclock up to 10%)

CPU Cooling: Corsair Hydro Series H100i RGB Pro XT High Performance Liquid Cooling System w/ 240mm Radiator, Ultimate OC Compatible [+54] (Corsair CPU Water Cooling, Ultimate OC Compatible)

Coolant for Cyberpower Hyper Liquid II Cooling Kit: None Selected

Second Coolant for Cyberpower Hyper Liquid II Cooling Kit (Dual Loop Only): None Selected

Motherboard: MSI MPG Z490 Gaming Carbon WIFI: ATX w/ RGB, Wi-Fi 6, USB 3.2, 2x M.2

Memory (RAM): 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4/3200mhz Dual Channel Memory [+14] (Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB w/Heat

Spreader)

Graphics Card (GPU): MSI GeForce® RTX 3080 10GB - Ray Tracing Technology, DX12®, VR Ready, HDMI, DP - 4 Monitor Support (Pre-Order) (Single Card)

Graphics Card Freebies: None

Video Capture: None Selected

PSU (Power Supply): Corsair RM1000x 1000W 80+ Gold Modular Gaming Power Supply [+18]

PSU Braided Cable: None Selected

Solid State Drive (SSD): None Selected

SSD Freebies: None Selected

M.2 SSD Drive: 500GB (1x500GB) Samsung 970 EVO Plus M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD - 3500MB/s Read & 3300MB/s Write [+26] (Single Drive)

2nd M.2 SSD Drive: 250GB (1x250GB) Samsung 970 EVO Plus M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD - 3500MB/s Read & 3300MB/s Write [+61] (Single Drive)

Hard Drive (HDD & SSHD): 2TB Seagate BarraCuda SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 7200RPM Hard Drive (1 Drive) RAID (Stripe or Mirror): None Selected

Optical Drive (BLU-Ray / DVD / DVD-RW): None Selected

External And Portable Storage (USB / HDD / SSD): None

External Optical Drive: None Selected

Memory Card Reader: None Selected

Internal USB Hub: Built-in USB Ports

Wireless Networking: None Selected

Wireless USB Adaptor: None Selected

Wired Networking: ONBOARD 10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT -- As standard on all PCs

Sound Cards: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD AUDIO

Monitor: None Selected

Virtual Reality Headsets: None Selected

Speakers: None Selected

Headset: None

Keyboard: None Selected

Mouse: None Selected

Mouse Pad: None

Controllers: None

Microphones: None

Streamer Gear: None Selected

Home Networking (Routers, Powerline Adapters & Switches) : None

Bluetooth Adaptors: None Selected

Cables and Adaptors: None

Power & Surge Protection: None

USB Port and Hub: Built-in USB Ports

 

[Jurrunio]

There's Zen 3 next month, potentially making Intel useless for gamers once and for all. Also that memory kit is quite slow for something this expensive, at least get 3600MHz CL18 if not faster.

[JamesTheFolf]

I'd recommend only getting one M.2 ssd and then a 2.5" ssd that's higher capacity along with your 2TB HDD

[MewMew]

35 minutes ago, Mattiie said:

Case: NZXT H511 Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ Tempered Glass Window panel (Matte White)

*Darth Vader Moans*
No0O0o0O0o0o0OO

I don't recommend this case

[MewMew]

I'll elaborate without sarcasm.

(Just kidding there's going to be lots.)

 

Lose the case, crappy airflow.

48 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

There's Zen 3 next month, potentially making Intel useless for gamers once and for all.

He threw shade at your ram but he is right about Zen 3. I would defin go down the AMD path here, you'll end up paying for it later if you don't.

I'm not a watercooling person, so this is personal, regardless - Noctua if you want the best results. And yea, better than any watercooling unit can provide.

*whispers* air master element...

[Mattiie]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

There's Zen 3 next month, potentially making Intel useless for gamers once and for all. Also that memory kit is quite slow for something this expensive, at least get 3600MHz CL18 if not faster.

I'm pretty new to the whole building pc from parts etc, what does cl18 mean? 

[Mattiie]

14 minutes ago, MewMew said:

I'll elaborate without sarcasm.

(Just kidding there's going to be lots.)

 

Lose the case, crappy airflow.

He threw shade at your ram but he is right about Zen 3. I would defin go down the AMD path here, you'll end up paying for it later if you don't.

I'm not a watercooling person, so this is personal, regardless - Noctua if you want the best results. And yea, better than any watercooling unit can provide.

*whispers* air master element...

That's fair enough I'll take all the help I can get! 

What style of case would you recommend? One with a mesh front I guess? I only picked this one because it was kind of minimalistic. 

 

Do we know when zen3 will be coming out? I just always assumed Intel was better because that was more expensive, dumb I know! 

 

I tried looking for noctua fans on the site but they didn't have any.. I'm down to buy parts separate but I've never built a pc before so a little wary! The water cooling came "free" with the build so wasn't sure what to change it to. 

 

Would I be better making the pc on pcpartspicker and building it myself? Is it easy enough? 

[MewMew]

Funny enough I was just on a thread with the case i would suggest.
Since you seemingly have the budget of King Richard I'd recommend you work around this one. (Granted, if you want to keep watercooling.)

> Lian Li <

 

I don't know if the site you used had a compatibility filter but Pcpartpicker does. I like it.

Pcpartpicker is more difficult when you're selecting retailers, sometimes it's too good to be true and you got to do more research.

[MewMew]

19 minutes ago, Mattiie said:

I'm pretty new to the whole building pc from parts etc, what does cl18 mean? 

The lower the CAS Latency the better.

On your ram you might see a sticker that shows some numbers like 18-18-18-35 or whatever. You can tweak this, it's called tightening, to get better performance out of your ram.

Just Google memtest86 and you'll become a tight boy.
That came out wrong. 

[Mattiie]

7 minutes ago, MewMew said:

Funny enough I was just on a thread with the case i would suggest.
Since you seemingly have the budget of King Richard I'd recommend you work around this one. (Granted, if you want to keep watercooling.)

> Lian Li <

 

I don't know if the site you used had a compatibility filter but Pcpartpicker does. I like it.

Pcpartpicker is more difficult when you're selecting retailers, sometimes it's too good to be true and you got to do more research.

I saw that case and thought about it but wasn't super sure! I don't really care too much about water cooling, just want what's best for the system! I'll have a look at that thread thanku! 

 

I don't think it did - heres the link to the build http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/saved/2430560 I assume you should only stick to known retailers? 

[Mattiie]

5 minutes ago, MewMew said:

The lower the CAS Latency the better.

On your ram you might see a sticker that shows some numbers like 18-18-18-35 or whatever. You can tweak this, it's called tightening, to get better performance out of your ram.

Just Google memtest86 and you'll become a tight boy.
That came out wrong. 

Ooh will do thanku! What were the Samsung 970s CL? I assume nowhere near good emough? 

[MewMew]

Maybe link an image file url; i can't get a proper redirect to that page for some reason.

 

No, i buy all over the place, wherever i can get the cheapest. I really like Newegg.

Regarding ram CAS, TRDC, TRP and TRAS (those numbers) you can find them listed on Newegg or wherever you buy them from. They'll just be a set of numbers with dashes.

I like tightening them -1 but your mileage may vary. Also safest to check if it's okay first.

You'll know if you do some research on it, it's easy.

 

If you're talking about SSDs, i'd take this opinion. 

1 hour ago, jrhaberland said:

I'd recommend only getting one M.2 ssd and then a 2.5" ssd that's higher capacity along with your 2TB HDD

 

[Mattiie]

8 minutes ago, MewMew said:

Maybe link an image file url; i can't get a proper redirect to that page for some reason.

 

No, i buy all over the place, wherever i can get the cheapest. I really like Newegg.

Regarding ram CAS, TRDC, TRP and TRAS (those numbers) you can find them listed on Newegg or wherever you buy them from. They'll just be a set of numbers with dashes.

I like tightening them -1 but your mileage may vary. Also safest to check if it's okay first.

You'll know if you do some research on it, it's easy.

 

If you're talking about SSDs, i'd take this opinion. 

 

Oh damn I thought http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/saved/2430560 would work - I'm guessing you're in the US? Might be trying to redirect you to the US page. https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Infinity-910-RTX-Gaming-PC was the base build 

 

I'll try make a new build on part picker n post it here, let me know what you think when I post it!  

[MewMew]

Honestly, i think it's just this website's redirect system.

A share-link through Pcpartpicker would work for sure though.

 

You seem to be building something grand while i build modest things so perhaps there's someone else who could assist you better.

I don't know everything, i just know what i know.

If you share a list with me i'll probably just throw my hands up in the air and say build it like a flood is coming.

 

I also don't want to sound condescending but is this your first build? Because if it is mistakes are okay, in fact, making a mistake is completely acceptable.

Granted you didn't waste money, eg, if you bought a graphics card that was either too low or too beefy etc.

Not everything needs to be perfect the first time around because you end up learning so much more that way.

 

Anyway, good luck and have fun. And remember, it's just really expensive legos lol

[Mattiie]

31 minutes ago, MewMew said:

Honestly, i think it's just this website's redirect system.

A share-link through Pcpartpicker would work for sure though.

 

You seem to be building something grand while i build modest things so perhaps there's someone else who could assist you better.

I don't know everything, i just know what i know.

If you share a list with me i'll probably just throw my hands up in the air and say build it like a flood is coming.

 

I also don't want to sound condescending but is this your first build? Because if it is mistakes are okay, in fact, making a mistake is completely acceptable.

Granted you didn't waste money, eg, if you bought a graphics card that was either too low or too beefy etc.

Not everything needs to be perfect the first time around because you end up learning so much more that way.

 

Anyway, good luck and have fun. And remember, it's just really expensive legos lol

Yeah this would be my first build! That's why I'm a little wary about building it myself  

[dizmo]

I'd just build it yourself to be honest, you're going to get a far better system that way. It's not hard; I got my gf to build one a few years ago, and she'd never used a screwdriver before. If you can put together a LEGO set, you can build a computer. Just watch a bunch of video tutorials on YouTube, and enjoy the savings.

 

As for builds, you'd want to wait for the 5000 series Ryzen CPUs next month. At that time you'll also be able to get one of the newer video cards, and you'll have a pretty killer system. I'd aim for a 5800x, 32GB RAM, 2TB SSD, 4TB HDD and an RTX 3080.

 

Something like this:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor  (£397.49 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler  (£72.39 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£233.47 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  (£137.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£209.88 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 6 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£118.64 @ Box Limited)
Video Card: Asus GeForce RTX 3080 10 GB TUF GAMING Video Card  (£733.67 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A ATX Mid Tower Case  (£63.99 @ AWD-IT)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£110.39 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Total: £2077.91
 

Just sub the 3900x for the 5800x. Only 100 pound more than what you had spec'd out, but substantially better.

 

2 hours ago, MewMew said:

The lower the CAS Latency the better.

On your ram you might see a sticker that shows some numbers like 18-18-18-35 or whatever. You can tweak this, it's called tightening, to get better performance out of your ram.

Just Google memtest86 and you'll become a tight boy.
That came out wrong. 

Haha, memory timing is not something you want to suggest to someone just getting into the PC space. It's a pain in the ass, and really doesn't net very many gains.

[MewMew]

9 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Haha, memory timing is not something you want to suggest to someone just getting into the PC space. It's a pain in the ass, and really doesn't net very many gains.

Well it was brought up, so it was discussed.

[Mattiie]

22 hours ago, dizmo said:

I'd just build it yourself to be honest, you're going to get a far better system that way. It's not hard; I got my gf to build one a few years ago, and she'd never used a screwdriver before. If you can put together a LEGO set, you can build a computer. Just watch a bunch of video tutorials on YouTube, and enjoy the savings.

 

As for builds, you'd want to wait for the 5000 series Ryzen CPUs next month. At that time you'll also be able to get one of the newer video cards, and you'll have a pretty killer system. I'd aim for a 5800x, 32GB RAM, 2TB SSD, 4TB HDD and an RTX 3080.

 

Something like this:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor  (£397.49 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler  (£72.39 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£233.47 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  (£137.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£209.88 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 6 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£118.64 @ Box Limited)
Video Card: Asus GeForce RTX 3080 10 GB TUF GAMING Video Card  (£733.67 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A ATX Mid Tower Case  (£63.99 @ AWD-IT)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£110.39 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Total: £2077.91
 

Just sub the 3900x for the 5800x. Only 100 pound more than what you had spec'd out, but substantially better.

 

Haha, memory timing is not something you want to suggest to someone just getting into the PC space. It's a pain in the ass, and really doesn't net very many gains.

Thank you for building this! Would a 750W PSU be good enough for a 3080 and a new cpu? I've seen vids of people saying that the 3080 is massively power intensive!

Also, is there a list of well ventilated cases that I'd be able to take a look at?

I'm leaning much more towards building it myself honestly, especially after figuring out how much better the system would be, plus how much cheaper it would be! I'll definitely watch a few videos first though to make sure I will know what I'm doing!

Thanks once again!

 

[Soleus]

GamersNexus has some very in-depth reviews of cases.  You can check out their list of cases (that they reviewed) that they recommend by price tier https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3604-best-gaming-pc-cases-for-airflow-in-2020-right-now

[dizmo]

24 minutes ago, Mattiie said:

Thank you for building this! Would a 750W PSU be good enough for a 3080 and a new cpu? I've seen vids of people saying that the 3080 is massively power intensive!

Also, is there a list of well ventilated cases that I'd be able to take a look at?

I'm leaning much more towards building it myself honestly, especially after figuring out how much better the system would be, plus how much cheaper it would be! I'll definitely watch a few videos first though to make sure I will know what I'm doing!

Thanks once again!

It should be since it's a quality unit. You can always step up to a higher one if you don't mind spending the cash.

Check out GamersNexus, they have tons of case reviews and iirc they have a 'best airflow cases of 2020' video.

You definitely should, it's quite easy! Cable management is the only pain in the ass; I'd advise against too much RGB.