PSU upgrade help

[Alfa229]

Hello, I'm currently at the last leg of my pc upgrade project, and I've run into a problem.
Randomly, I'll smell burning plastic when using my pc. When I notice the smell and get down to open and smell the case/components, the smell is gone.
I've checked my cables, temps of the CPU and GPU are normal.
This led me to think the problem was probably with my 5 year old PSU (It didnt smell like burned plastic either).

 

This situation has accelerated my purchase of a new PSU in preperation for the RTX 3070 Founders Edition Upgrade.
The problem is: I have no idea what PSU should I buy.
I've been thinking about 750W since that would cover my current CPU, the 3070 and leave me some headroom.

Could someone help me pick what PSU I should buy?
 

[Alfa229]

My bad, forgot to post my specs:

• CPU
  AMD Ryzen 5 3600X
• Motherboard
  MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX
• RAM
  1x DDR4 Corsair 16GB (2x8GB) 3200MHz CL16 Vengeance LPX Red
• GPU
  Gainward GeForce GTX1060 Phoenix 6GB DDR5
• Case
  Scilentum PC Regnum RGIW Pure Black (with window)
• Storage
  HDD Seagate 1TB 64MB cache SATA600 7200rpm
• PSU
  BeQuiet SystemPower 8 450W
• Display(s)
  DELL P2017H
• Keyboard
  MODECOM MC-5005
• Mouse
  Hiro Aero NTT-22

[Ankerson]

4 hours ago, Alfa229 said:

Hello, I'm currently at the last leg of my pc upgrade project, and I've run into a problem.
Randomly, I'll smell burning plastic when using my pc. When I notice the smell and get down to open and smell the case/components, the smell is gone.
I've checked my cables, temps of the CPU and GPU are normal.
This led me to think the problem was probably with my 5 year old PSU (It didnt smell like burned plastic either).

 

This situation has accelerated my purchase of a new PSU in preperation for the RTX 3070 Founders Edition Upgrade.
The problem is: I have no idea what PSU should I buy.
I've been thinking about 750W since that would cover my current CPU, the 3070 and leave me some headroom.

Could someone help me pick what PSU I should buy?
 

 

 

This would be a good place to start...

 

I would say a Corsair RMX 750W or something else in Tier A.

 

[Mateyyy]

5 hours ago, Alfa229 said:

Could someone help me pick what PSU I should buy?

What's your budget for the PSU?

[Alfa229]

1 minute ago, Mateyyy said:

What's your budget for the PSU?

200$

[Mateyyy]

2 minutes ago, Alfa229 said:

200$

I was going to ask what your budget is in your currency (since I'm assuming you're not buying from the US if you're in Poland), but PCPP seems to lack prices for Poland at the minute.

 

If we're to go by Nvidia's numbers on the 3070's power draw, your system with that GPU and a 3600X won't pull more than ~350W at full 100% load.

 

Considering your budget doesn't seem to be particularly tight (but also without going overboard for no reason), a few options I would look at are the Corsair RM550x/650x, be quiet! Straight Power 11 Gold 550W/650W, Fractal Design Ion+ 560W/660W.

If you've got a particular website of choice where you purchase your PC components, we could maybe pick some options from there, if none of the units mentioned above are available for you locally.

[Ankerson]

7 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

I was going to ask what your budget is in your currency (since I'm assuming you're not buying from the US if you're in Poland), but PCPP seems to lack prices for Poland at the minute.

 

If we're to go by Nvidia's numbers on the 3070's power draw, your system with that GPU and a 3600X won't pull more than ~350W at full 100% load.

 

Considering your budget doesn't seem to be particularly tight (but also without going overboard for no reason), a few options I would look at are the Corsair RM550x/650x, be quiet! Straight Power 11 Gold 550W/650W, Fractal Design Ion+ 560W/660W.

If you've got a particular website of choice where you purchase your PC components, we could maybe pick some options from there, if none of the units mentioned above are available for you locally.

 

Need to read his post... As in....

 

5 hours ago, Alfa229 said:

I've been thinking about 750W since that would cover my current CPU, the 3070 and leave me some headroom.

 

So 750W would be good so he won't have to get another PSU later on when he upgrades again...

 

Instead of getting the bare min... 

 

Unless they want to start a PSU collection or something....

[Lurick]

3 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

 

Or realize that unless they are going dual 3090s or something stupid they won't need to upgrade even with a good 650 watt?

[Alfa229]

2 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

I was going to ask what your budget is in your currency (since I'm assuming you're not buying from the US if you're in Poland), but PCPP seems to lack prices for Poland at the minute.

 

If we're to go by Nvidia's numbers on the 3070's power draw, your system with that GPU and a 3600X won't pull more than ~350W at full 100% load.

 

Considering your budget doesn't seem to be particularly tight (but also without going overboard for no reason), a few options I would look at are the Corsair RM550x/650x, be quiet! Straight Power 11 Gold 550W/650W, Fractal Design Ion+ 560W/660W.

If you've got a particular website of choice where you purchase your PC components, we could maybe pick some options from there, if none of the units mentioned above are available for you locally.

~350W seems low for that kind of system power, it's a pleasant suprise considering the fact that I currently have a 450W PSU.
But with the problem I mentioned, better safe than sorry.
My local pc part site would be www.X-kom.pl or it's relatively lesser competitor www.morele.net.

As for the actual PSU's, I think corsair would be the most reliable brand, but I haven't done much intensive research into reliabiliy of brands like be quiet, corsair or fractal design.

[Alfa229]

6 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

 

Need to read his post... As in....

 

 

So 750W would be good so he won't have to get another PSU later on when he upgrades again...

 

Instead of getting the bare min... 

 

Unless they want to start a PSU collection or something....

Yeah, looks like i overestimated the power draw.
This upgrade will last me a good while so I definitely dont need 750W

[Ankerson]

4 minutes ago, Alfa229 said:

Yeah, looks like i overestimated the power draw.
This upgrade will last me a good while so I definitely dont need 750W

 

 

Not with a 3070, no...

 

But what about 5 years from now?

 

With the long warranties on the PSUs, the good ones anyway that have 10 year warranties...

 

Getting a little more room now has it's benefits...

 

MOST of the recommendations around here are from people who can't see past a week if they are lucky.

 

Even less down the road a few years.

[Alfa229]

2 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

 

 

Not with a 3070, no...

 

But what about 5 years from now?

 

With the long warranties on the PSUs, the good ones anyway that have 10 year warranties...

 

Getting a little more room now has it's benefits...

 

MOST of the recommendations around here are from people who can't see past a week if they are lucky.

 

Even less down the road a few years.

Rookie mistake, wrong button.
But you still have a good point.

I'm looking for as much recommendations as possible

EDIT: But still, in 5 years I def. won't be going dual GPU's, so even less than a 650 should cover my future upgrades

[Lurick]

1 minute ago, Ankerson said:

 

Because your crystal ball is so reliable right? Seriously, maybe pull you head out of your butt and realize people have been doing this for more than a few days and don't pull numbers out of their asses for fun. People base their recommendations most of the time on experience over many generations of seeing PC parts get more power efficient, not less.

 

 

OP:

https://www.x-kom.pl/p/401004-zasilacz-do-komputera-be-quiet-straight-power-11-650w-80-plus-gold.html

https://www.x-kom.pl/p/459599-zasilacz-do-komputera-be-quiet!-pure-power-11-cm-700w-80-plus-gold.html

https://www.x-kom.pl/p/472755-zasilacz-do-komputera-corsair-rmx-650w-80-plus-gold.html

[Ankerson]

Just now, Alfa229 said:

Rookie mistake, wrong button.
But you still have a good point.

I'm looking for as much recommendations as possible

 

More headroom is better for down the road, within reason...

 

Not saying get a 1000W PSU....

[Alfa229]

Just now, Ankerson said:

 

More headroom is better for down the road, within reason...

 

Not saying get a 1000W PSU....

Yeah I get that

[Ankerson]

8 minutes ago, Lurick said:

Because your crystal ball is so reliable right? Seriously, maybe pull you head out of your butt and realize people have been doing this for more than a few days and don't pull numbers out of their asses for fun. People base their recommendations most of the time on experience over many generations of seeing PC parts get more power efficient, not less.

 

 

OP:

https://www.x-kom.pl/p/401004-zasilacz-do-komputera-be-quiet-straight-power-11-650w-80-plus-gold.html

https://www.x-kom.pl/p/459599-zasilacz-do-komputera-be-quiet!-pure-power-11-cm-700w-80-plus-gold.html

https://www.x-kom.pl/p/472755-zasilacz-do-komputera-corsair-rmx-650w-80-plus-gold.html

 

 

Like GPUS use less power right? 

 

I have dealing with computers since the punch card days...

 

The old GPUs didn't even need extra power.... ISA slot and PCI slot cards. 

 

Then we progressed to MOLEX 4 pin... With the AGP cards.

 

Then more to current times of the 6 and 8 pin,,,,

[Lurick]

5 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

 

 

Like GPUS use less power right? 

 

I have dealing with computers since the punch card days...

Well let's see, I used to run dual GTX 980Tis and a 7900X overclocked pretty far and my entire system would pull ~850-900 watts from the wall. Now on a 2080Ti and a 3700X I get about the same CPU performance and much better GPU performance for ~500 watts full tilt from the wall. So two generations of GPU performance improvements for basically no additional power draw (single 980Ti would draw around 255 watts and a 2080Ti pulls about 260 to 270). But we'll go with your statement since you're a PSU savant who knows all apparently and can see into the future.

[Ankerson]

5 minutes ago, Lurick said:

Well let's see, I used to run dual GTX 980Tis and a 7900X overclocked pretty far and my entire system would pull ~850-900 watts from the wall. Now on a 2080Ti and a 3700X I get about the same CPU performance and much better GPU performance for ~500 watts full tilt from the wall. So two generations of GPU performance improvements for basically no additional power draw (single 980Ti would draw around 255 watts and a 2080Ti pulls about 260 to 270). But we'll go with your statement since you're a PSU savant who knows all apparently and can see into the future.

 

2080Ti pulls what?

 

I have one so get your facts together....

 

And I know what it pulls... 

 

My 1080Ti pulls over 300W...

 

So 2080Ti pulls what?

 

3080 Pulls 420W 

 

3090 pulls 450W..

 

You know some of those cards are 3X 8 Pin

 

 

[Mateyyy]

35 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

Need to read his post... As in....

So 750W would be good so he won't have to get another PSU later on when he upgrades again...

Instead of getting the bare min... 

Unless they want to start a PSU collection or something....

I did read OP's post. 550W is not the "bare min", not even close in fact.

 

23 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

Not with a 3070, no...

But what about 5 years from now?

With the long warranties on the PSUs, the good ones anyway that have 10 year warranties...

Getting a little more room now has it's benefits...

MOST of the recommendations around here are from people who can't see past a week.

Even less down the road a few years.

Here we go again with crystal ball-ing what people will do x years from now and writing everyone else off, because that's how one proves a point. Keep it up.

 

30 minutes ago, Alfa229 said:

~350W seems low for that kind of system power, it's a pleasant suprise considering the fact that I currently have a 450W PSU.
But with the problem I mentioned, better safe than sorry.
My local pc part site would be www.X-kom.pl or it's relatively lesser competitor www.morele.net.

As for the actual PSU's, I think corsair would be the most reliable brand, but I haven't done much intensive research into reliabiliy of brands like be quiet, corsair or fractal design.

450W is enough - the main problem here is the fact that the System Power 8 you're using is quite old at this point in time. I can't recall whether it's using DC-DC even, and if it isn't, you'll definitely want a replacement for more reasons than what you've already mentioned.

 

To add to the units @Lurick's listed, here's some more I'd consider:

https://www.x-kom.pl/p/409229-zasilacz-do-komputera-bitfenix-formula-650w-80-plus-gold.html (quite inexpensive while not sacrificing on performance or noise, you're just missing out on modularity)

https://www.x-kom.pl/p/516625-zasilacz-do-komputera-phanteks-amp-550w-80-plus-gold.html

https://www.x-kom.pl/p/524445-zasilacz-do-komputera-xpg-core-reactor-650w-80-plus-gold.html

 

Also, the RM650i looks to be available for cheaper than the Straight Power 11 650W and RM650x, so... pretty much no reason not to pick this one instead. You're getting the noise (or lack thereof) and performance of the RMx, with the addition of digital monitoring and both single and multi-rail OCP (the latter being not quite so noteworthy, considering we're not talking about 1000W+ PSUs here):

https://www.x-kom.pl/p/406794-zasilacz-do-komputera-corsair-rm650i-650w-80-plus-gold.html

 

16 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

Like GPUS use less power right? 

I have dealing with computers since the punch card days...

The old GPUs didn't even need extra power....

Then we progressed to MOLEX 4 pin...

Then more to current times of the 6 and 8 pin,,,,

oh, ok

 

9 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

2080Ti pulls what?

I have one so get your facts together....

And I know what it pulls... 

 

Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler

 

Not everyone runs their cards at 375W for an extra 3% of performance.

 

9 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

3080 Pulls 420W 

 

3090 pulls 450W..

320W and 350W*

Edited October 4, 2020 by Mateyyy

[Ankerson]

2 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

320W and 350W*

 

That's TDP.... Stock.... And 2x 8 pin..

 

Push the slider over....

 

And then there are the 3x 8 pin cards...

 

 

[Mateyyy]

Just now, Ankerson said:

That's TDP.... Stock....

Push the slider over....

Okay, max out the power limit, and you're looking at 350-375W if temps are low enough and you've got good silicon quality.

 

More random.org numbers?

[Ankerson]

1 minute ago, Mateyyy said:

Okay, max out the power limit, and you're looking at 350-375W if temps are low enough and you've got good silicon quality.

 

More random.org numbers?

 

Depends on the card, the cheap ones never do well... Cooling sucks, power sucks etc...

 

The ones with good cooling are generally better, higher end models...

[Mateyyy]

3 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

Depends on the card, they cheap ones never do well...

 

The ones with good cooling are generally better, higher end models...

I'm talking about the Founders Edition, since that's the easiest to track.

MSRP or near-MSRP models like the ASUS TUF, Gigabyte Eagle and EVGA XC 3080s all sit at around the regular 320-340W mark, from what I've seen in reviews.

 

How many people buying a 3080 will be looking to get one of the models above, and how many in comparison will be looking to get an FTW3 and overclock the snot out of it? 

[Ankerson]

Just now, Mateyyy said:

I'm talking about the Founders Edition, since that's the easiest to track.

MSRP or near-MSRP models like the ASUS TUF, Gigabyte Eagle and EVGA XC 3080s all sit at around the regular 320-340W mark, from what I've seen in reviews.

 

I never look at the FE cards...

 

Although the 3080 and 3090 FE aren't bad this time around..... They aren't reference cards..

 

I look at the AIB's and the higher end models.

[Mateyyy]

Just now, Ankerson said:

I never look at the FE cards...

 

Although the 3080 and 3090 FE aren't bad this time around..... They aren't reference cards..

 

I look at the AIB's and the higher end models.

Well this isn't your thread, is it?