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Push pull vs push?

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The answer is both yes & no, but mostly no.

 

Yes push pull can make a difference in some instances however for this to be true you need to be pumping out enough heat to be saturating the loop. For the vast majority of people it will make no difference and is just wasted money & extra noise.

So I read this article. https://www.ekwb.com/blog/push-pull-or-push-pull-on-radiators/

 

I'm just thinking if it's worth adding another layer of fans onto my 60mm thick radiators. Will it make a huge difference?

 

I currently have it in pull one fan layer. Planning to change it to push into the rad as fans have high speed and high static pressure. What do you guys think?

Main PC:

CPU: Intel Core i9 14900KS SP 109 (125P-79E) (6.1Ghz P-Cores 4.8Ghz E-cores) MC SP 88

CPU Voltage: LLC6 1.43V

Cooled by: Supercool Direct Die 14th gen full nickel

Motherboard: Z790 ASUS Maximus Apex Encore

RAM: GSkill TridentZ 2x24GB DDR5 8800Mhz Watercooled

GPU: RTX 5090 Palit OC with Alphacool Core Waterblock

Case: TT P3

Storage: 4x 2TB Sarbent Rocket Plus Gen 4.0 NVMe, 1x External 2TB Seagate Barracuda (Backup)

PSU: Corsair AX1600i with custom black and red cables with 2x Corsair 5V+ Load Balancer

Display: Samsung Oddysey G9 57" 240Hz Ver. 7680x2160 and

2x ASUS XG17AHP 240hz 17"

Fan Controllers:  6x AquaComputer Octo

Cooling: Three Custom Loops:

1st Loop: 5x 480mm XE CoolStream radiators with 1x Revo D5 RGB pump and 1x Rajintek Antila D5 Evo RGB pump for GPU only cooling with 2x Koolance QDC3, red coolant

2nd Loop: 5x 480mm XE CoolStream radiators with 1x Revo D5 RGB pump and 1x Rajintek Antila D5 Evo RGB pump for CPU only cooling with 2x Koolance QDC3, purple coolant

3x 360mm PE EKWB CoolStream 

3rd Loop: 1x 240mm PXE CoolStream radiator with 1x EKWB Revo D5 pump (RAM ONLY) - Back of the case

 

2nd Main PC is same as above, except Display is Philips Evnia 49" 5120x1440 240hz QD-OLED, 48GB 8400Mhz RAM, 8TB NVMe

 

1st LaptopMSI Titan HX18 Dragon EditionRTX 5090 175W, Core Ultra 285HX,  128GB of RAM @5600Mhz / 96GB @6400Mhz

8TB of NVMe - GPU and CPU with LM on, Llano V12

2nd Laptop: MSI Raider 18HX, RTX 5090 175W, 9955HX3D, 128GB DDR5 @5600Mhz, 8TB NVMe, CPU and GPU LM on, Llano V12

3rd Laptop: MSI Titan 18HX, RTX 4090 175W, 14900HX, 224GB DDR5 @3600Mhz, 8TB NVMe

 

HTPC: 

CPU: Intel Core i9 14900K (SP99 P111 E76), CPU Voltage: 1.33V, Cooled by: Supercool Direct Die 12th gen full nickel, Motherboard: Z790 Apex

RAM: GSkill TridentZ 2x24GB DDR5 8000Mhz CL40, GPU: RTX 5090 Palit Gamerock with Alphacool Waterblock,  Case: Corsair 6500D, Storage: 3x2TB PM9A1 Samsung NVMe Gen 4

WiFi: Wifi 6E Built in, PSU: AX1600i Corsair Titanium, Display: Philips Evnia 49" 240Hz OLED, Fan Controllers:  1x DH-10 DeepCool and Deepcool RGB hub, Loop: 2x 360mm XE CoolStream radiator, 1x 360mm PE Coolstream Radiator, 1x 240mm XE CoolStream Radiator, Revo D5 EKWB Pump, 19x Corsair 120ML RED LED fans 2000RPM

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4 minutes ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

 

In theory 60 mm radiators benefit the most from push-pull, but in your case you have so much radiator space that I question the need for fans at all. Yes, more fans will mean more flow at the same noise, or same flow at lower noise; but without knowing the fluid temperature, there is no way to know whether more flow even makes any difference to your system.

 

And I know you don't care about noise, so probably not.

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The answer is both yes & no, but mostly no.

 

Yes push pull can make a difference in some instances however for this to be true you need to be pumping out enough heat to be saturating the loop. For the vast majority of people it will make no difference and is just wasted money & extra noise.

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10 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

The answer is both yes & no, but mostly no.

 

Yes push pull can make a difference in some instances however for this to be true you need to be pumping out enough heat to be saturating the loop. For the vast majority of people it will make no difference and is just wasted money & extra noise.

That makes perfect sense. I'll just try to do it push, in my last configuration it worked perfectly.

 

Appreciated!

Main PC:

CPU: Intel Core i9 14900KS SP 109 (125P-79E) (6.1Ghz P-Cores 4.8Ghz E-cores) MC SP 88

CPU Voltage: LLC6 1.43V

Cooled by: Supercool Direct Die 14th gen full nickel

Motherboard: Z790 ASUS Maximus Apex Encore

RAM: GSkill TridentZ 2x24GB DDR5 8800Mhz Watercooled

GPU: RTX 5090 Palit OC with Alphacool Core Waterblock

Case: TT P3

Storage: 4x 2TB Sarbent Rocket Plus Gen 4.0 NVMe, 1x External 2TB Seagate Barracuda (Backup)

PSU: Corsair AX1600i with custom black and red cables with 2x Corsair 5V+ Load Balancer

Display: Samsung Oddysey G9 57" 240Hz Ver. 7680x2160 and

2x ASUS XG17AHP 240hz 17"

Fan Controllers:  6x AquaComputer Octo

Cooling: Three Custom Loops:

1st Loop: 5x 480mm XE CoolStream radiators with 1x Revo D5 RGB pump and 1x Rajintek Antila D5 Evo RGB pump for GPU only cooling with 2x Koolance QDC3, red coolant

2nd Loop: 5x 480mm XE CoolStream radiators with 1x Revo D5 RGB pump and 1x Rajintek Antila D5 Evo RGB pump for CPU only cooling with 2x Koolance QDC3, purple coolant

3x 360mm PE EKWB CoolStream 

3rd Loop: 1x 240mm PXE CoolStream radiator with 1x EKWB Revo D5 pump (RAM ONLY) - Back of the case

 

2nd Main PC is same as above, except Display is Philips Evnia 49" 5120x1440 240hz QD-OLED, 48GB 8400Mhz RAM, 8TB NVMe

 

1st LaptopMSI Titan HX18 Dragon EditionRTX 5090 175W, Core Ultra 285HX,  128GB of RAM @5600Mhz / 96GB @6400Mhz

8TB of NVMe - GPU and CPU with LM on, Llano V12

2nd Laptop: MSI Raider 18HX, RTX 5090 175W, 9955HX3D, 128GB DDR5 @5600Mhz, 8TB NVMe, CPU and GPU LM on, Llano V12

3rd Laptop: MSI Titan 18HX, RTX 4090 175W, 14900HX, 224GB DDR5 @3600Mhz, 8TB NVMe

 

HTPC: 

CPU: Intel Core i9 14900K (SP99 P111 E76), CPU Voltage: 1.33V, Cooled by: Supercool Direct Die 12th gen full nickel, Motherboard: Z790 Apex

RAM: GSkill TridentZ 2x24GB DDR5 8000Mhz CL40, GPU: RTX 5090 Palit Gamerock with Alphacool Waterblock,  Case: Corsair 6500D, Storage: 3x2TB PM9A1 Samsung NVMe Gen 4

WiFi: Wifi 6E Built in, PSU: AX1600i Corsair Titanium, Display: Philips Evnia 49" 240Hz OLED, Fan Controllers:  1x DH-10 DeepCool and Deepcool RGB hub, Loop: 2x 360mm XE CoolStream radiator, 1x 360mm PE Coolstream Radiator, 1x 240mm XE CoolStream Radiator, Revo D5 EKWB Pump, 19x Corsair 120ML RED LED fans 2000RPM

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