Hello, need help with RAM overclocking.

[Hellrzr45]

Hello, I bought 16 GB 3200 G.Skill Trident Z from Micro center in February for my new PC, it worked fine D.O.C.P was set and I used Anthony's Ryzen overclocking video to set all the values in BIOS and they all worked seamlessly without any issues at all, system was breezing though everything I threw at it. This month I thought of upgrading RAM to a total of 32 GB, along with a 1TB NVMe SSD, so I bought the same kit from Amazon, same timings and same 3200 MHz.

 

My main RAM issue started from the moment I installed my 32 GB RAM on my mobo, somehow it started running at 1866 instead of 2133 default, then I removed and pushed the BIOS battery once, then removed and installed the ram again, shorted the pins to reset, did not work, last resort was to remove and reinstall the CPU, then everything worked seamlessly and flawlessly no issues at all. After this I moved my OS from my old Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB to the new NVME SSD, had a lot of problems, I used AOMEI Backupper, something went wrong it did not go well, so I formatted system using an old W10 ISO I had it gave me a lot of issues, so got the latest W10 from Microsoft and did it no issues at all, everything is fine. Now when i was moving SSD in between M.2 slots in between formatting system multiple times, I removed and installed my RAM thinking it was RAM issue how dumb of me, as soon as that happened it went back to 1866, I decided first to fix my System software issues first as I have work on Monday and have things to get it done, Fixed everything works, now to fix the RAM again went through the following steps in order:

1) Shorted pins - did not work

2) Removed and reinstalled BIOS battery - did not work.

3) Same as 2 but this time after removing battery shorted pins and installed battery - did not work.

4) Removed RAM and reinstalled again - did not work.

5) Removed everything from mobo along with CPU and reinstalled everything again - did not work.

Battery in this explanation refers to the BIOS battery. ran memory test with MemTest86 for about 4 hours all tests ran with 4 passes no errors, also Windows 10 recognizes full 32 GB ram. Also did the D.O.C,P thing with it enabled and disabled.

 

My system Specs:

MOBO - Asus TUF X570 Gaming Plus (Wi-Fi) BIOS version 1405, as 1407 gave me issues.

CPU - Ryzen 7 2700X Chipset software version - 2.04.28.626

Memory G.Skill Trident Z RGB 3200 F4 - 3200C16D-16GTZR (Both 16 GB kits have same code), DDR4-3200 CL 16-18-18-38 1.35V 

GPU- XFX 5700XT THiCC II, already flashed both BIOS and reports everything accurately. AMD Driver version 20.5.1, pretty stable, no crashes so far.

Peripherals-Logitech G Pro wired mouse, Inland MK-F RGB Mechanical Gaming Keyboard - KT Red Switches.

Monitor - AOC CQ27G1 27" 1440P 144Hz.

Operating System - Windows 10 Pro

 

Bios values: 

CPU core ratio - 37.00

PBO- enabled , override to 200MHz

Thermal limit 95

CPU voltage - 1.36250

SOC volatge - 1.20000

1.0V - 1.0

1.2V - 1.2

1.80V - 1.80

VTTDDR - 0.675

VPP_MEM Voltage - 2.50

 

 

All values for DRAM:

DRAM volatge -1.35v

DRAM VALUES:

CAS # Latency - 16

Trcdrd - 18

Trcdwr - 18

RAS # PRE Time - 18

RAS # ACT Time - 38

 

It worked before what am I doing wrong even after doing the same thing I did before. so please if someone has any suggestions or anything at all please let me know.

 

Edited June 21, 2020 by Hellrzr45

[Jurrunio]

Starting with 1866 is honestly not a problem, if anything it could be the default behaviour of Zen and Zen+ CPUs when they see 4 8GB DIMMs. You mean DOCP doesnt work?

[Haro]

Quad sticks are hard to run on zen + especially at 3200 

A couple of things 

Update the bios 

Set the soc to 1.15 

Dram to 1.35 

Then try 2933 with docp on 

Check if it boots 

If it does use memtest86 and OCCT to verify that it's stable 

Anything over 2933 is technically an overclock and is not guaranteed on zen +

Good luck

[Hellrzr45]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

Starting with 1866 is honestly not a problem, if anything it could be the default behaviour of Zen and Zen+ CPUs when they see 4 8GB DIMMs. You mean DOCP doesnt work?

Ok, that is good to know, that 1866 on 2133 is not a problem I thought that I had faulty RAM and was about to return the new kit I bought, should have honestly bought it from Micro center. DOCP did not work, so i entered all the values manually and it did not work. Also I edited my topic can you please look at it again, thank you. 

[Hellrzr45]

Just now, TofuHaroto said:

Quad sticks are hard to run on zen + especially at 3200 

A couple of things 

Update the bios 

Set the soc to 1.15 

Dram to 1.35 

Then try 2933 with docp on 

Check if it boots 

If it does use memtest86 and OCCT to verify that it's stable 

Anything over 2933 is technically an overclock and is not guaranteed on zen +

Good luck

I run 1.35 vcore and soc at 1.2, dram is always at 1.35 already tried it, imma try your settings again see what happens. I did not try 2933 yet, I am going to do that and report back soon.

[Haro]

Just now, Hellrzr45 said:

am going to do that and report back soon.

Good luck

[Jurrunio]

56 minutes ago, Hellrzr45 said:

Ok, that is good to know, that 1866 on 2133 is not a problem I thought that I had faulty RAM and was about to return the new kit I bought, should have honestly bought it from Micro center. DOCP did not work, so i entered all the values manually and it did not work. Also I edited my topic can you please look at it again, thank you. 

3200 may be too stressful for Zen and Zen+ to run with 4 8GB sticks. older Ryzen's memory controller is weak and while they improved it over time, it's far from bulletproof.

[Hellrzr45]

1 hour ago, TofuHaroto said:

Good luck

So I did what you said and it worked flawlessly, I first reset BIOS and applied my CPU OC it worked, next approached the DRAM OC and applied D.O.C.P with the speed at 2933 MHz it applied immediately without any extra restarts (usually restarts 2-3 times if trying 3200), it worked, then I gradually increased speed form there to see where it crashed. it crashed at 3200, but was stable at 3133 just before 3200 speed, superb, ran MemTest86 full test 2 passes no errors. So my RAM is not faulty, it works and thanks for that. I will see if it crashes again, if it does slowly going to decrease speed from there. Thank you I thought I was doing something wrong I was so tensed for the last 4-5 days and tried everything I can think of, I used to build computers like 8 years ago and worked with many types of hardware but never with RAM overclocking. Thank you.

[Hellrzr45]

32 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

3200 may be too stressful for Zen and Zen+ to run with 4 8GB sticks. older Ryzen's memory controller is weak and while they improved it over time, it's far from bulletproof.

So I tried what Tofuharoto said and tried D.O.C.P from 2933 it worked without any hiccups, then increased it to see when it will crash, it crashed at 3200 so changed it to 3133 ran memtest86 2 passes full tests no errors. I will see if it crashes again, if it does slowly going to decrease speed from there.It might also be the reason I was getting BSODs atleast once a day before when it ran at 3200, it showed stable in BIOS but OS and Black ops 3 community maps used to crash atleast once a day.

 

I thought I was doing something wrong I was so tensed for the last 4-5 days and tried everything I can think of, I used to build computers like 8 years ago and worked with many types of hardware but never with RAM overclocking. Thank you.

[Haro]

9 hours ago, Hellrzr45 said:

Thank you.

No problem

[Discorded]

Don't feel bad, several lookups I have seen from RAM manufacturers state that even if you buy identical RAM kits in pairs, they are not guaranteed to run all 4 at once.  To be sure of no errors or glitches you have to buy a set of 4 initially, as then the manufacturer tests them as a kit that works.  However, as you found out often you can get similar sets to work together with tweaks to voltage or underspeed.  Sounds like you got your kit to a pretty reasonable place, so cool!