750TI theory

[SAV1OUR]

ok so the 750ti can get enough of a rate to benefit minners without them having to spend thousands of dollars on parts. but the 750ti requires low amounts of power so with this in mind what would happen to big groups (corsair xfx etc) that benefit for miners using their high end psus? would it drive down the prices of high end psus or up? whats your take?  

[DoubleY]

ok so the 750ti can get enough of a rate to benefit minners without them having to spend thousands of dollars on parts. but the 750ti requires low amounts of power so with this in mind what would happen to big groups (corsair xfx etc) that benefit for miners using their high end psus? would it drive down the prices of high end psus or up? whats your take?  

I doubt PSU prices will go down. There is still a lot of people who are buying higher tier AMD cards to mine. We need all the powa

[DIV1D3]

The Maxwell series does draw a lot less power than other AMD or even Nvidia cards do but I wouldn't think so much as to drop the prices of PSUs. 

[SAV1OUR]

The Maxwell series does draw a lot less power than other AMD or even Nvidia cards do but I wouldn't think so much as to drop the prices of PSUs. 

yes but because of the new maxwell cards likely getting a good rate for miners wouldnt it allow them not to have to invest as much on psu thus effecting that prices

[Grave]

ok so the 750ti can get enough of a rate to benefit minners without them having to spend thousands of dollars on parts. but the 750ti requires low amounts of power so with this in mind what would happen to big groups (corsair xfx etc) that benefit for miners using their high end psus? would it drive down the prices of high end psus or up? whats your take?

It's low power and gets OK Kh/s supposedly, but it is not fast. It's just cheap enough to mine with over a period of time on electricity to be worth it with many, meaning they will still have to pay as much as they would with any other card of a similar mining speed/KWH value. If it's technically cheaper than, say, an R9 290 or R9 270 in total KH per KWH, then they will just buy it and Newegg and all the vendors will jack its price up just like any AMD card has been.

I guess it could alleviate some stress on higher end power supplies stock or cost (if this has driven it up at all) but it's going to put a hella lot more strain on mid-lower end ones that are capable of powering multiple cards. It's all about how many cards you can fit onto one power supply and, just to provide an example, if you can't really connect 2-3 on most $80 PSUs but could get 4 no problem on almost every $100-110+ PSU, you might be better off just spending $150 on an 80+ bronze 1250W+ PSU for higher end GPUs. I really don't know or care, I'm not a miner so I don't know what's going to be worth it/not worth it for sure.

They calculate everything with initial costs on a mining rig, if they're serious about mining anyway, on top of day-to-day costs in power consumption. It's not really going to do much to "help" the market for non-miners (and even miners. If you think they enjoy price hikes, you're wrong. It's just more accessible to them since they're doing it to make money and not to enjoy the product).

[DIV1D3]

yes but because of the new maxwell cards likely getting a good rate for miners wouldnt it allow them not to have to invest as much on psu thus effecting that prices

Maybe slightly, but probably nothing largely noticeable.

I'll be getting 6 270s and a massively priced 1350W PSU, I'd like to get a cheaper one but 6 270s would be better than 10 750Tis. They would have baout the same hash rate but the 750Tis cost ~$2100 vs the 270s which cost ~$1400. For $700 you can get another 3 R9 270s, soooo the price overall is more expensive. 

[ajoy39]

yes but because of the new maxwell cards likely getting a good rate for miners wouldnt it allow them not to have to invest as much on psu thus effecting that prices

when we talk about good rate we're talking performance per watt and performance per dollar. The 750ti doesn't come anywhere CLOSE to touching the hash rate of the high end AMD cards (for good reason, it's n entry level card) and while it may be way more power efficient you have to factor in that even the most bit coin optimized boards can only handle 6 GPUs at a time so while you are spending less on power, you're spending more on non-GPU components and using a TON more space to get the same hash rate. the 750ti isn't going to be a staple of mining, but it sets a precedent that Maxwell will be a good platform for mining so the 880, 870, and maybe even the 860/860ti are going to be very competitive to whatever the equivalent AMD offerings are at the time and, if the power efficiency and hash performance scale well, will most likely become the favorite of coin miners.

 

tl:dr; 

 

the 750ti is a good card for mining more as a proof of whats to come for coin mining when the full Maxwell line rolls out, it's not something that is likely to become a mainstay of coin mining. 

[DIV1D3]

It's low power and gets OK Kh/s supposedly, but it is not fast. It's just cheap enough to mine with over a period of time on electricity to be worth it with many, meaning they will still have to pay as much as they would with any other card of a similar mining speed/KWH value. If it's technically cheaper than, say, an R9 290 or R9 270 in total KH per KWH, then they will just buy it and Newegg and all the vendors will jack its price up just like any AMD card has been.

I guess it could alleviate some stress on higher end power supplies stock or cost (if this has driven it up at all) but it's going to put a hella lot more strain on mid-lower end ones that are capable of powering multiple cards. It's all about how many cards you can fit onto one power supply and, just to provide an example, if you can't really connect 2-3 on most $80 PSUs but could get 4 no problem on almost every $100-110+ PSU, you might be better off just spending $150 on an 80+ bronze 1250W+ PSU for higher end GPUs. I really don't know or care, I'm not a miner so I don't know what's going to be worth it/not worth it for sure.

They calculate everything with initial costs on a mining rig, if they're serious about mining anyway, on top of day-to-day costs in power consumption. It's not really going to do much to "help" the market for non-miners (and even miners. If you think they enjoy price hikes, you're wrong. It's just more accessible to them since they're doing it to make money and not to enjoy the product).

I'd like to know where these $110+1250W Bronze PSUs are, the one that was suggested to me is a 1350W Silver that is $330. Though that's in AUD but it wouldn't make much of a difference.

[ajoy39]

I'd like to know where these $110+1250W Bronze PSUs are, the one that was suggested to me is a 1350W Silver that is $330. Though that's in AUD but it wouldn't make much of a difference.

The cheapest 1200w + PSU listed on newegg right now is $165 after a promo code. Coolmax sells a $60 80+ Bronze 1000w psu. 

[DIV1D3]

The cheapest 1200w + PSU listed on newegg right now is $165 after a promo code. Coolmax sells a $60 80+ Bronze 1000w psu. 

Yeh but I'm in Aus, and I kinda need that extra 150Ws, unless your telling me I can run 6 R9 270s on a 1200W PSU. 

[ajoy39]

Yeh but I'm in Aus, and I kinda need that extra 150Ws, unless your telling me I can run 6 R9 270s on a 1200W PSU. e 

the R9 270 is a 150w TDP part. 6 of them is around 900 watts, so even if you want some headroom to be safe you shouldn't need more than 1100w unless you're using a CPU that is way overkill for coin mining. 

[DIV1D3]

the R9 270 is a 150w TDP part. 6 of them is around 900 watts, so even if you want some headroom to be safe you shouldn't need more than 1100w unless you're using a CPU that is way overkill for coin mining. 

Umm do you think a G3220 is overkill for mining?

People have told me that I shouldn't go under 1200Ws for the build. Lets continue this on my thread instead of high-jacking this thread shall we?

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/118674-what-is-the-most-profitable-mining-rig-for-1200-only-including-gpus/page-7

[Grave]

I'd like to know where these $110+1250W Bronze PSUs are, the one that was suggested to me is a 1350W Silver that is $330. Though that's in AUD but it wouldn't make much of a difference.

Sorry, didn't know how to say that I was just illustrating my point. I don't really know any cheap PSUs that are above 1000W that aren't junk. I'm fluent with GPU/CPU/Case prices but power supplies aren't something I pay attention to. It's also really hard to find anything but like, Corsair, EVGA, Silverstone for power supplies aside from a scarce one here and there for me in the U.S. The rest are generally random CoolMax or whatever other brand PSUs that are definitely not worth buying. Cannot find Be Quiet, rarely see Seasonic unless it's very expensive, even XFX ones are rare for where I am and where I've looked online.

Also, judging by pcpartpicker's PSU list, I now see what @SAV1OUR means about the prices. $160 for 600-850W PSUs is common, and I don't remember seeing that ever before (maybe like 2 months ago at most when I last really took a good look).

[Lays]

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It may not come close to touching hash rates of higher end cards, but it's a better khash per dollar value, 

 

@TheDoubleYGamer made this awhile back, these cards are a compelling value, although I'm not quite sure how much longer mining with GPU's will be effective, after some of the rumors about asics for scrypt being released soon.

 

(All of these khash/s are what he has in his basement right now, results may vary)

 

[DIV1D3]

Sorry, didn't know how to say that I was just illustrating my point. I don't really know any cheap PSUs that are above 1000W that aren't junk. I'm fluent with GPU/CPU/Case prices but power supplies aren't something I pay attention to. It's also really hard to find anything but like, Corsair, EVGA, Silverstone for power supplies aside from a scarce one here and there for me in the U.S. The rest are generally random CoolMax or whatever other brand PSUs that are definitely not worth buying. Cannot find Be Quiet, rarely see Seasonic unless it's very expensive, even XFX ones are rare for where I am and where I've looked online.

Also, judging by pcpartpicker's PSU list, I now see what @SAV1OUR means about the prices. $160 for 600-850W PSUs is common, and I don't remember seeing that ever before (maybe like 2 months ago at most when I last really took a good look).

Well it'd be nice to see a $200 1200W Silver PSU, though that won't happen here in Aus, the only thing that isn't overpriced compared to other countries are the AMD cards, we didn't get hit as hard from the altcoins.

[Musikman]

You are still going to need the high wattage power supplies for gaming and AMD based mining rigs. Also, when the rest of the Maxwell cards come out, there will be the chance that they are even more efficient in terms of mining. 

[Analog]

Umm do you think a G3220 is overkill for mining?

People have told me that I shouldn't go under 1200Ws for the build. Lets continue this on my thread instead of high-jacking this thread shall we?

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/118674-what-is-the-most-profitable-mining-rig-for-1200-only-including-gpus/page-7

 

Nope that processor is just fine, I just ordered one exactly for mining. The point here is not to overspend and buy something like a 4770K or even worse, a 4960X. 

[ajoy39]

It may not come close to touching hash rates of higher end cards, but it's a better khash per dollar value,

@TheDoubleYGamer made this awhile back, these cards are a compelling value, although I'm not quite sure how much longer mining with GPU's will be effective, after some of the rumors about asics for scrypt being released soon.

(All of these khash/s are what he has in his basement right now, results may vary)

yes I know it's better has khash/dollar, I said that already, but when you account for the amount of space having more overall cards and rigs takes up, as well as needing more mobo/CPU/ram to get the same has rates I don't see it being as compelling.

[DIV1D3]

Nope that processor is just fine, I just ordered one exactly for mining. The point here is not to overspend and buy something like a 4770K or even worse, a 4960X.

Yeh lol, it's the cheapest CPU I can get and it seems pretty alright for normal load as I won't mine with it also.

[Analog]

Yeh lol, it's the cheapest CPU I can get and it seems pretty alright for normal load as I won't mine with it also.

 

I found an even cheaper one - Intel Celeron G1820,s1150, but I decided not to cheap out too much on it.  

[DIV1D3]

I found an even cheaper one - Intel Celeron G1820,s1150, but I decided not to cheap out too much on it.  

Well I'm going to get everything from PCCG and the G3220 is the cheapest CPU they have that is LGA 1550.