bottleneck?!

[fallen01]

so can someone explain to me if my gpu usage is around 60-70% and my cpu usage is at 50% something like that is that called a bottleneck ?

[Fasauceome]

the term "bottleneck" is for what one component is holding back performance to a major degree, if the CPU is not fully utilized it may not be holding the system back. Though, this depends on per core usage. If you have a Ryzen 5 1600 and 4 of the cores are at 100%, that is what is hindering performance.

 

Of course, if you are getting the performance that you desire, a bottleneck is not a factor in the use of your PC.

[MartinKweh]

I dont think so . Is it like that during games?

 

Otherwise, it could have been that your pc is powerful enough that the gpu and cpu doesnt need to run at 100% on the game you are using it at

[fallen01]

Just now, MartinKweh said:

I dont think so . Is it like that during games?

 

Otherwise, it could have been that your pc is powerful enough that the gpu and cpu doesnt need to run at 100% on the game you are using it at

most games to  be fair gta v and cod warzone 

[FriedEngineer]

6 minutes ago, fallen01 said:

so can someone explain to me if my gpu usage is around 60-70% and my cpu usage is at 50% something like that is that called a bottleneck ?

Not likely. If one is closer to 90% and the other is much less then I'd consider it a bottleneck

[fallen01]

1 minute ago, Fasauceome said:

the term "bottleneck" is for what one component is holding back performance to a major degree, if the CPU is not fully utilized it may not be holding the system back. Though, this depends on per core usage. Ig you have a Ryzen 5 1600 and 4 of the cores are at 100%, that is what is hindering performance.

 

Of course, if you are getting the performance that you desire, a bottleneck is not a factor in the use of your PC.

i saw the msi graph and no not all of them are reaching 100% load

[fallen01]

1 minute ago, FriedEngineer said:

Not likely. If one is closer to 90% and the other is much less then I'd consider it a bottleneck

basically they fluctuate but nothing is on 100% all the time  

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, fallen01 said:

i saw the msi graph and no not all of them are reaching 100% load

 

Just now, fallen01 said:

basically they fluctuate but nothing is on 100% all the time  

chances are the game is not utilizing the system resources fully.

 

are you reaching a high FPS? maxing out your monitor?

[FriedEngineer]

Just now, fallen01 said:

basically they fluctuate but nothing is on 100% all the time  

When I'm gaming my GPU is almost always above 90% and my CPU is between 10% and 40%. This is clearly a GPU bottleneck, but I'm happy with the performance and I can't afford the next tier GPU so it'll remain that way.

[fallen01]

Just now, Fasauceome said:

 

chances are the game is not utilizing the system resources fully.

 

are you reaching a high FPS? maxing out your monitor?

in cod warzone im using mostly high settings except for shadows and enabled ray tracing and getting a solid 83 fps no drops and i game on 1080p @75hz

[fallen01]

Just now, FriedEngineer said:

When I'm gaming my GPU is almost always above 90% and my CPU is between 10% and 40%. This is clearly a GPU bottleneck, but I'm happy with the performance and I can't afford the next tier GPU so it'll remain that way.

im just worried because my old gpu was at 98% all the time during games and cpu wag at 40%-20% 

[FriedEngineer]

Just now, fallen01 said:

in cod warzone im using mostly high settings except for shadows and enabled ray tracing and getting a solid 83 fps no drops and i game on 1080p @75hz

Yeah, you're not maxing out your GPU, but since you're getting more FPS than your monitor can even display I think you're fine.

[Fasauceome]

2 minutes ago, fallen01 said:

in cod warzone im using mostly high settings except for shadows and enabled ray tracing and getting a solid 83 fps no drops and i game on 1080p @75hz

sounds like having a bottleneck is not a problem for you

[fallen01]

Just now, Fasauceome said:

sounds like having a bottleneck is not a problem for you

so its fine if none of my components are maxing out their usage  

[Fasauceome]

Just now, fallen01 said:

so its fine if none of my components are maxing out their usage  

yes

[fallen01]

Just now, Fasauceome said:

yes

you helped me alot m8 youre the one who suggested i can pair my r5 1600 with an rtx 2070 and it works  

[Kisai]

14 minutes ago, fallen01 said:

so can someone explain to me if my gpu usage is around 60-70% and my cpu usage is at 50% something like that is that called a bottleneck ?

You likely won't see 100% usage on CPU or GPU just on the basis that it requires especially inefficient code to do that (which is what benchmarks do.)

 

See if it happens on a synthetic benchmark. If it's being throttled, it will hit a thermal point and then just stop. A properly coded game will only near 100% of a GPU if you specify settings that the GPU is incapable of providing under any circumstances, like 16x FSAA or something

 

CPU's hitting a specific number, eg 50%, mean that it's only using 1 of 2 cores, or 2 of 4 cores. Most DX9 and earlier games do not, and will not use more than 1 thread for everything. It's difficult to make use of CPU threads in a gaming context for anything but physics and AI, so if you're looking at a generally static screen, that might be exactly what's happening.

[fallen01]

7 minutes ago, Kisai said:

You likely won't see 100% usage on CPU or GPU just on the basis that it requires especially inefficient code to do that (which is what benchmarks do.)

 

See if it happens on a synthetic benchmark. If it's being throttled, it will hit a thermal point and then just stop. A properly coded game will only near 100% of a GPU if you specify settings that the GPU is incapable of providing under any circumstances, like 16x FSAA or something

 

CPU's hitting a specific number, eg 50%, mean that it's only using 1 of 2 cores, or 2 of 4 cores. Most DX9 and earlier games do not, and will not use more than 1 thread for everything. It's difficult to make use of CPU threads in a gaming context for anything but physics and AI, so if you're looking at a generally static screen, that might be exactly what's happening.

i mean i tried benchmarking it on tomb raider ik its kinda old but its the only game who used 97% of my gpu and  i got 240-300 fps on ultra settings  

[Kisai]

23 minutes ago, fallen01 said:

i mean i tried benchmarking it on tomb raider ik its kinda old but its the only game who used 97% of my gpu and  i got 240-300 fps on ultra settings  

Then the GPU is clearly capable of hitting near maximum and the problem lies in the software.

[Ergroilnin]

If neither GPU/CPU/Storage/Ram, is using 100%, then you are being bottlenecked by either your monitor not being able to provide you higher resolution or higher refresh rate, which would then again put the bottlenecking on another part of your system.

 

It is kind of unwinnable race in this regard. 

 

There will ALWAYS be some kind of a bottleneck and that is fine.

 

Only time you mostly cannot diverse the bottleneck is in case let's say the program (it being whatever... game, some calculations, w/e) just cannot use more resources than you can provide it with, in which case, no matter how strong HW you buy, you won't get better performance than you already get (kind of bad example but what I mean is stuff like 32 bit windows won't use more than 4 gb of RAM, because it simply cannot access anymore than that, so it does not matter if you have 2 TB of RAM, you are now being bottlenecked by the software used.), so then you are being bottlenecked by the software itself.

[fallen01]

1 hour ago, Kisai said:

Then the GPU is clearly capable of hitting near maximum and the problem lies in the software.

so is that a problem i didn't quite understand 

 

[fallen01]

45 minutes ago, Ergroilnin said:

If neither GPU/CPU/Storage/Ram, is using 100%, then you are being bottlenecked by either your monitor not being able to provide you higher resolution or higher refresh rate, which would then again put the bottlenecking on another part of your system.

 

It is kind of unwinnable race in this regard. 

 

There will ALWAYS be some kind of a bottleneck and that is fine.

 

Only time you mostly cannot diverse the bottleneck is in case let's say the program (it being whatever... game, some calculations, w/e) just cannot use more resources than you can provide it with, in which case, no matter how strong HW you buy, you won't get better performance than you already get (kind of bad example but what I mean is stuff like 32 bit windows won't use more than 4 gb of RAM, because it simply cannot access anymore than that, so it does not matter if you have 2 TB of RAM, you are now being bottlenecked by the software used.), so then you are being bottlenecked by the software itself.

does software mean the game it self or drivers or windows im kinda lost

[Ergroilnin]

34 minutes ago, fallen01 said:

does software mean the game it self or drivers or windows im kinda lost

It could mean any of those actually.

 

I am not saying that is has to be your problem, I am just saying that there will ALWAYS, be a bottleneck, there is no combination of different types of hardware and software, where all of them uses exactly their maximum potential.

That is an ideal state, but it is not attainable.

[AdvilLobotomite]