2080TI underperforming

[EFletch]

Been trying to work through some issues with my setup recently, about a 45 days ago I put together a new custom loop for my PC, 3 rads, Water cooling for CPU/GPU etc... everything was running fine for a few weeks. After 2 weeks or so I started having issues with the video black screening and I could not figure out what the deal was. After countless fix attempts software wise I decided to upgrade my memory and my PSU in hopes that the PSU was not putting enough power out and that was the issue. I got the new components and put them in, everything now is booting and staying on just fine with no black screens, crashes etc. My issue now is that I am getting lower FPS than previously, benchmarks across like 4 programs outside of Passmark are much lower than they should be, I am currently under performing almost all similar builds and most builds below mine. I am at my wits end with this. I have DDu'd many times, I just tried a fresh install on my second drive, nothing seems to work. 

PC specs as follows
i9-9900K @ 5.0GHZ (Have tried with and without OC)
Gigabyte Aorus 2080ti (with waterblock)
4 x 16gb Trident Z Royal DDR4-3200 Memory
1TB Nvnme SSD WD Black
1300w Seasonic Gold PSU 
Windows 10

Any and all ideas would be fantastic! Thanks in advance 

[Robchil]

I have the same card.. but two they are brilliant and the rest of the setup is similar. 

 

i would check that aorus engine is not running at all.. i've had this one causing more problems than solving before. 

and use msi afterburner to overclock. 

 

do a bios reset on your mainboard as well. and if it has, clear all error msgs. sounds like it suffered from power loss, atleast to the gpu when and might need a hard reset to learn where everything is again.. and that the GPU now is ok and fully functional. 

 

 

[EFletch]

3 minutes ago, Robchil said:

I have the same card.. but two they are brilliant and the rest of the setup is similar. 

 

i would check that aorus engine is not running at all.. i've had this one causing more problems than solving before. 

and use msi afterburner to overclock. 

 

do a bios reset on your mainboard as well. and if it has, clear all error msgs. sounds like it suffered from power loss, atleast to the gpu when and might need a hard reset to learn where everything is again.. and that the GPU now is ok and fully functional. 

 

 

You referring to the motherboard when resetting correct? 

[Robchil]

Just now, EFletch said:

You referring to the motherboard when resetting correct? 

yes. 

 

[EFletch]

16 minutes ago, Robchil said:

yes. 

 

Yes, thanks for the tip but still no dice unfortunately. Heaven benchmarks same result as previous

[Mateyyy]

Is it the 2080Ti Waterforce that you have with the included waterblock that's premounted, or just a normal air cooled 2080Ti that you mounted an aftermarket waterblock on? If the latter is the case, were the memory and VRMs on the card making proper contact with the waterblock so they also get cooled adequately?

[jones177]

2080 ti are either power or temperature limited on their own. 

You already took care of the power supply, now look at the usage. 

 

In GPU Z look under advanced, Nvidia bios. That will tell you your stock and overclocked power limit. Run a bench like Heaven with MSI afterburner and look at the power% as you bench. If your GPU is not reaching its power limit something is stopping it. 

 

The bios limits on your GPU depends on what you bought. A budget card starts with a boost clock below 1635mhz and will be silicon limited. A reference card will between 1635 and 1650mhz and a top of the line card will boost around 1755 to 1770mhz.

 

My FTW3 Ultra uses 387 watts max and my XC uses 354 watts max. 

 

Since your GPU is water cooled you should me able to maintain 2100mhz below 54c. At 54c you should be around 2085mhz. At 64c it would be around 2040mhz. This if you have a card that has a boost clock of 1735 and up.  A card  with a stock boost of 1650mhz can do 2085 but may artifact. 2040mhz is safer.

My EVGA XC runs at 1965mhz on most modern AAA games and 2040mhz on older games. The FTW3 Ultra runs at 2040mhz in modern titles and 2085 in older titles. Both are at stock fan curves and both are heat limited.   

 

If your card can do these speeds and reach its power limit look elsewhere for an issue. 

 

 

    

[EFletch]

36 minutes ago, jones177 said:

2080 ti are either power or temperature limited on their own. 

You already took care of the power supply, now look at the usage. 

 

In GPU Z look under advanced, Nvidia bios. That will tell you your stock and overclocked power limit. Run a bench like Heaven with MSI afterburner and look at the power% as you bench. If your GPU is not reaching its power limit something is stopping it. 

 

The bios limits on your GPU depends on what you bought. A budget card starts with a boost clock below 1635mhz and will be silicon limited. A reference card will between 1635 and 1650mhz and a top of the line card will boost around 1755 to 1770mhz.

 

My FTW3 Ultra uses 387 watts max and my XC uses 354 watts max. 

 

Since your GPU is water cooled you should me able to maintain 2100mhz below 54c. At 54c you should be around 2085mhz. At 64c it would be around 2040mhz. This if you have a card that has a boost clock of 1735 and up.  A card  with a stock boost of 1650mhz can do 2085 but may artifact. 2040mhz is safer.

My EVGA XC runs at 1965mhz on most modern AAA games and 2040mhz on older games. The FTW3 Ultra runs at 2040mhz in modern titles and 2085 in older titles. Both are at stock fan curves and both are heat limited.   

 

If your card can do these speeds and reach its power limit look elsewhere for an issue. 

 

 

    

My temps seem to run higher for some reason, usually right around 70, which is not bad but also not as low as I feel it should be. Running heaven my GPU is usually only 200W at most, and 60-66% TDP. So could that be the issue? If so what could be limiting that? I have it currently +75mhz on GPU and +150mhz on memory, with a base boost of like 1775 if not mistaken. 

[Guest]

Is Heaven maxed out or just at standard settings?

 

Also, without context, those temps don't mean much. What does the loop look like? What size rads? Have you checked to make sure your inlets and outlets are correct in the loop?

[EFletch]

3 minutes ago, Den-Fi said:

Is Heaven maxed out or just at standard settings?

 

Also, without context, those temps don't mean much. What does the loop look like? What size rads? Have you checked to make sure your inlets and outlets are correct in the loop?

(3) 360MM rads, albeit 2 of them slims, and yea inlets and outlets should be perfectly fine, my temps on CPU rarely surpass 50-55ish on a 9900K OC to 5.0GHZ. Loop goes from Res to a 360, then into the GPU, from there to the top 360, then the CPU, then the side 360, then back to the res

And yes sorry, Heaven extreme windowed 1600 x 900

 

[EFletch]

5 minutes ago, Den-Fi said:

Is Heaven maxed out or just at standard settings?

 

Also, without context, those temps don't mean much. What does the loop look like? What size rads? Have you checked to make sure your inlets and outlets are correct in the loop?

also if its any help, I ran COD which I used to pull 140+ FPS at 1440P and now barely pull 100, and same usage.

 

[Dravinian]

Have you checked the block? Are the fins clear?

 

If the loop is RES > RAD > GPU > RAD > CPU > RAD > RES

 

Then it may be possible that your GPU is picking up all the crap, and thus not impacting on CPU performance because the liquid is clear by the time it gets there.

 

If that is the case and temps are higher perhaps the power drop is to compensate?

[EFletch]

4 minutes ago, Dravinian said:

Have you checked the block? Are the fins clear?

 

If the loop is RES > RAD > GPU > RAD > CPU > RAD > RES

 

Then it may be possible that your GPU is picking up all the crap, and thus not impacting on CPU performance because the liquid is clear by the time it gets there.

 

If that is the case and temps are higher perhaps the power drop is to compensate?

I am due to pull it out of the loop here soon to try a different card in there, was waiting on a connector to keep the loop together without the GPU in there, but It should be fine, though I will double check it, not to mention by no means should it throttle at 70C regardless unless I am crazy.

 

[jones177]

It is bad for water.

A good 3 fan 3 slot card will run in the 60s stock and in the 70s overclocked.

My XC that is a 2 slot, 2 fan card is in the 70s stock and in the 80s overclocked. This is with the default fan curve on a 24/7 overclock.

 

To get a big gain on water you have to be in the 50s. 

To get into the 50s with a EVGA Hybrid a push pull setup is needed. I don't do loops so I have no info.   

 

Here are how my XC runs. Note the overclocks and fan curve.

 

This is the XC with its max overclock with fans at 100%. It is at 130% on the power limit and is using 346 watts. TDP is 132%.

 

Here it is at stock. It is at 100% on the power limit and it is only using 154 watts. TDP is 127%

 

Here is the 24/7 overclock with the default fan curve running hot as usual. This bench is using no AA so score is not comparable.

[EFletch]

10 minutes ago, jones177 said:

It is bad for water.

A good 3 fan 3 slot card will run in the 60s stock and in the 70s overclocked.

My XC that is a 2 slot, 2 fan card is in the 70s stock and in the 80s overclocked. This is with the default fan curve on a 24/7 overclock.

 

To get a big gain on water you have to be in the 50s. 

To get into the 50s with a EVGA Hybrid a push pull setup is needed. I don't do loops so I have no info.   

 

Here are how my XC runs. Note the overclocks and fan curve.

 

This is the XC with its max overclock with fans at 100%. It is at 130% on the power limit and is using 346 watts. TDP is 132%.

 

Here it is at stock. It is at 100% on the power limit and it is only using 154 watts. TDP is 127%

 

Here is the 24/7 overclock with the default fan curve running hot as usual. This bench is using no AA so score is not comparable.

Yea I am going to have to figure out why the temp is what it is... but past that my main issue is I cannot surpass about 65-70% power even set at 122%

[jones177]

22 minutes ago, EFletch said:

Yea I am going to have to figure out why the temp is what it is... but past that my main issue is I cannot surpass about 65-70% power even set at 122%

Check your mhz.

In some old games like GTA 5 I am in the 60s as well.

Here only at 4k the 2080 ti is only starting to work. At lower resolutions it is barely ticking over.

 

To get the GPU working you have to play a game Like Control or AC:O

AC:O

[LogicalDrm]

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