Kinda old PSU

[LewisField]

Ok so, by the title you may be wondering "hmm? kinda old? REPLACE IT NOWW!!!!" 

 

But I am looking to overclock my current GPU (ASUS Duel RX580 4GB) and I was wondering if I should on my current PSU

 

Now it is a Corsair CX650M that I have had for coming up to 3 years, it has seen many different systems in that time 

 

if you must know, it started with a core 2 quad q6700 with a EVGA GTX 950SC then to a FX-8350 with the RX 580 stated above, then to my current system, 

 

I haven't noticed any signs of degradation at all, and it has never given me any problems what so ever,

 

I just want a second opinion on if I should look into overclocking my gpu

 

Many Thanks

 

-Lewis

[DailyProcrastinator]

7 minutes ago, BigDaddy0078 said:

Now it is a Corsair CX650M that I have had for coming up to 3 years, it has seen many different systems in that time 

The label of your CXm, is it grey like:

Or green:

?

 

[LewisField]

5 minutes ago, TheDailyProcrastinator said:

The label of your CXm, is it grey like:

Or green:

?

 

It's the gray label, im pretty sure that one is the 2017 model, so the year i bought the psu

[DailyProcrastinator]

1 minute ago, BigDaddy0078 said:

It's the gray label, im pretty sure that one is the 2017 model, so the year i bought the psu

Perfect, the newer gen (grey label) was significantly better than the previous gen (green label) and 3 years is not that old. Your PSU has 5 years of warranty as well. So for now you are okay!

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Power-Supply-Units/cxm-series-2015-config/p/CP-9020103-NA#tab-tech-specs

 

That said I know you have an RX 580 8GB but what CPU do you have?

 

For more info on PSU's and their overall quality refer to:

Your PSU is a solid Tier B. 

[LewisField]

1 minute ago, TheDailyProcrastinator said:

Perfect, the newer gen (grey label) was significantly better than the previous gen (green label) and 3 years is not that old. Your PSU has 5 years of warranty as well. So for now you are okay!

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Power-Supply-Units/cxm-series-2015-config/p/CP-9020103-NA#tab-tech-specs

 

That said I know you have an RX 580 8GB but what CPU do you have?

 

For more info on PSU's and their overall quality refer to:

Your PSU is a solid Tier B. 

I'm running the 4GB rx 580, not the 8gb (I apologise if that sounded vague) but my cpu is the Ryzen 3200G which I have set to 4.1GHz at 1.375 Volts

[DailyProcrastinator]

3 minutes ago, NoJoy said:

I'm running the 4GB rx 580, not the 8gb (I apologise if that sounded vague) but my cpu is the Ryzen 3200G which I have set to 4.1GHz at 1.375 Volts

No worries, regardless that system will never draw more than 250W under full load which means low strain on your 650W PSU. So you have nothing to worry about, keep using that PSU!

 

For reference I have a R7 1700 with an RX 580 8GB running off a 450W PSU, the estimated draw of the system is 350W, I have never seen it pull more than 280W from the wall. 

[LewisField]

Just now, TheDailyProcrastinator said:

No worries, regardless that system will never draw more than 250W under full load which means low strain on your 650W PSU. So you have nothing to worry about, keep using that PSU!

 

For reference I have a R7 1700 with an RX 580 8GB running off a 450W PSU, the estimated draw of the system is 350W, I have never seen it pull more than 280W from the wall. 

So, When it comes to overclocking, should I focus on my CPU or gpu? Because in some games my cpu always caps at 90-100%

 

And also what is a max voltage you would set a 3200G to? I am sorta new to overclocking that's all

[DailyProcrastinator]

2 minutes ago, NoJoy said:

So, When it comes to overclocking, should I focus on my CPU or gpu? Because in some games my cpu always caps at 90-100%

 

And also what is a max voltage you would set a 3200G to? I am sorta new to overclocking that's all

From a quad core this is to be expected. 3rd gen Ryzen CPU's pretty well come with the full unlocked potential right out of the box. And you really don't want to crank the CPU voltage. If anything at stock the voltage is probably set a bit high.

 

Anyways, 3rd gen Ryzen doesn't really OC well to begin with, nor does it yield much performance gained, fast RAM and adjusting PBO settings in Ryzen Master is best if you want to ‘OC’. 3rd gen Ryzen CPU's seem to show faster degradation symptoms if higher voltages are applied (something I recently learned). For long term 'safe' OC'ing voltages below 1.375V were considered to be fine. However, this rule of thumb is adopted from overclocking Intel CPU's, and previous generations of AMD CPU's. So, for long term use I would NOT recommend OC'ing via the standard Manual method in Bios. Keeping the voltage low (1.27500V or lower) and adjusting PBO settings is the safest way to squeeze out some extra performance. But even then, only expect 100-300MHz at most.

 

Good read on voltage issues with the new Ryzen CPU’s: (And why I recommend low voltage)

https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/ejd5c9/1325v_is_not_safe_for_zen_2/

 

 

I would focus on the GPU, and what do you have going for memory? 3rd gen Ryzen loves fast dual channel memory.

[LewisField]

2 minutes ago, TheDailyProcrastinator said:

From a quad core this is to be expected. 3rd gen Ryzen CPU's pretty well come with the full unlocked potential right out of the box. And you really don't want to crank the CPU voltage. If anything at stock the voltage is probably set a bit high.

 

Anyways, 3rd gen Ryzen doesn't really OC well to begin with, nor does it yield much performance gained, fast RAM and adjusting PBO settings in Ryzen Master is best if you want to ‘OC’. 3rd gen Ryzen CPU's seem to show faster degradation symptoms if higher voltages are applied (something I recently learned). For long term 'safe' OC'ing voltages below 1.375V were considered to be fine. However, this rule of thumb is adopted from overclocking Intel CPU's, and previous generations of AMD CPU's. So, for long term use I would NOT recommend OC'ing via the standard Manual method in Bios. Keeping the voltage low (1.27500V or lower) and adjusting PBO settings is the safest way to squeeze out some extra performance. But even then, only expect 100-300MHz at most.

 

Good read on voltage issues with the new Ryzen CPU’s: (And why I recommend low voltage)

https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/ejd5c9/1325v_is_not_safe_for_zen_2/

 

 

I would focus on the GPU, and what do you have going for memory? 3rd gen Ryzen loves fast dual channel memory.

I am running 2x8gb corsair vebgence lpx, its rated for 3000mhz but I can't seem to get it past 2733mhz 

[DailyProcrastinator]

3 minutes ago, NoJoy said:

I am running 2x8gb corsair vebgence lpx, its rated for 3000mhz but I can't seem to get it past 2733mhz 

Have you manually clocked your memory? Or is this with enabling DOCP (XMP) mode?

[LewisField]

1 minute ago, TheDailyProcrastinator said:

Have you manually clocked your memory? Or is this with enabling DOCP (XMP) mode?

I have just gone into BOIS and enabled XMP, to get my currentram settings, I loaded XMP and kept turning the clock down until I could get into windows, that's all ive done with my ram settings

[DailyProcrastinator]

3 minutes ago, NoJoy said:

I have just gone into BOIS and enabled XMP, to get my currentram settings, I loaded XMP and kept turning the clock down until I could get into windows, that's all ive done with my ram settings

Clocking your memory past 2666MHz is considered overclocking so keep in mind that mileage may vary, a 3600MHz kit won't necessarily be able to reach that speed. Since XMP mode does not work past 2733MHz I recommend manually clocking your RAM. 

 

To do so go into advanced settings in your Bios, set your RAM to 2733MHz first, then manual adjust DRAM voltage to 1.3500V, save and post into windows.

 

Run a quick stress test like Cinebench R15 to verify stability.

 

From there go back into Bios and increase memory speed by a single increment (2800, 2900, 3000 etc.), each time post into windows and run your stress test.

 

If at any point you get a blue screen crash with a windows stopcode that gives out a memory error go back into bios and increase your DRAM voltage by and increment of 0.0250V (up until a max of 1.4500V) and test stability again, hopefully you can reach your memory's rated speed of 3000MHz but you might not be able to. 

 

Although it is possible to OC your memory further as well. I set my Corsair Vengeance 32GB 3200MHz CL16 to 3466MHz at 1.3750V and tightened up my timings.

 

[LewisField]

2 minutes ago, TheDailyProcrastinator said:

Clocking your memory past 2666MHz is considered overclocking so keep in mind that mileage may vary, a 3600MHz kit won't necessarily be able to reach that speed. Since XMP mode does not work past 2733MHz I recommend manually clocking your RAM. 

 

To do so go into advanced settings in your Bios, set your RAM to 2733MHz first, then manual adjust DRAM voltage to 1.3500V, save and post into windows.

 

Run a quick stress test like Cinebench R15 to verify stability.

 

From there go back into Bios and increase memory speed by a single increment (2800, 2900, 3000 etc.), each time post into windows and run your stress test.

 

If at any point you get a blue screen crash with a windows stopcode that gives out a memory error go back into bios and increase your DRAM voltage by and increment of 0.0250V (up until a max of 1.4500V) and test stability again, hopefully you can reach your memory's rated speed of 3000MHz but you might not be able to. 

 

Although it is possible to OC your memory further as well. I set my Corsair Vengeance 32GB 3200MHz CL16 to 3466MHz at 1.3750V and tightened up my timings.

 

i will get to that now and I will post back with my results

[DailyProcrastinator]

1 minute ago, NoJoy said:

i will get to that now and I will post back with my results

Sounds good, best of luck!

[LewisField]

Just now, TheDailyProcrastinator said:

Sounds good, best of luck!

Thanks

[LewisField]

27 minutes ago, TheDailyProcrastinator said:

Sounds good, best of luck!

I am back,

 

so, it seems I cant go any higher than 2800mhz, if so, i set the speed to 2866mhz, i save and exit the bios,my computer restarts 3 times then the speed goes back to 2133mhz, so currently I am running 2800mhz @ 1.35V and with a cinebench run it hasn't bluescreened 

 

[DailyProcrastinator]

Just now, NoJoy said:

I am back,

 

so, it seems I cant go any higher than 2800mhz, if so, i set the speed to 2866mhz, i save and exit the bios,my computer restarts 3 times then the speed goes back to 2133mhz, so currently I am running 2800mhz @ 1.35V and with a cinebench run it hasn't bluescreened 

 

Yeah that may be as high as you can go, memory OC'ing relies on multiple variables, it's much like overclocking a CPU some people can achieve higher speeds others cannot, at least you got a bit higher clock-speed. Did you try upping DRAM voltage? 

[LewisField]

1 minute ago, TheDailyProcrastinator said:

Yeah that may be as high as you can go, memory OC'ing relies on multiple variables, it's much like overclocking a CPU some people can achieve higher speeds others cannot, at least you got a bit higher clock-speed. Did you try upping DRAM voltage? 

I went as high as 1.425V at 2866mhz and it was still rebooting 3 times after saving my settings 

[DailyProcrastinator]

2 minutes ago, NoJoy said:

I went as high as 1.425V at 2866mhz and it was still rebooting 3 times after saving my settings 

Okay yeah so 2800mhz @ 1.35V is the most stable you can get. 

[LewisField]

Just now, TheDailyProcrastinator said:

Okay yeah so 2800mhz @ 1.35V is the most stable you can get. 

Well, my Cinebench score went from 582 to 612 so I am happy with that

 

Is there anything else you would reccommend me doing :L 

[DailyProcrastinator]

Just now, NoJoy said:

Well, my Cinebench score went from 582 to 612 so I am happy with that

 

Is there anything else you would reccommend me doing :L 

Yeah good boost! I would maybe OC your GPU a bit, otherwise without going super in depth there is not much more to do. 

[LewisField]

Just now, TheDailyProcrastinator said:

Yeah good boost! I would maybe OC your GPU a bit, otherwise without going super in depth there is not much more to do. 

I will get to that now, am I right in saying I should slide up my temp & power limit and use Heaven Benchmark?

 

and Should I turn up my Core by 5 and memory by 15?? or should I increase core by 10 and memory by 15??

[DailyProcrastinator]

9 minutes ago, NoJoy said:

I will get to that now, am I right in saying I should slide up my temp & power limit and use Heaven Benchmark?

 

and Should I turn up my Core by 5 and memory by 15?? or should I increase core by 10 and memory by 15??

I am a huge noob when it comes to OC'ing GPU's, last time I did anything was with my GTX 1080 over a year ago, haven't touched it since. So I am not the best resource on this. Also, I have never even OC'd or even spent the time looking up how to OC my RX 580 lol. I just know a lot on CPU and memory OC'ing haha.

 

Probably best to watch a few YouTube videos and if you still have questions just start a new topic specifically on OC'ing your RX 580. Sorry I could not be more help on this! I don't want top recommend anything I am not educated on!

[LewisField]

1 minute ago, TheDailyProcrastinator said:

I am a huge noob when it comes to OC'ing GPU's, last time I did anything was with my GTX 1080 over a year ago, haven't touched it since. So I am not the best resource on this. Also, I have never even OC'd or even spent the time looking up how to OC my RX 580 lol. I just know a lot on CPU and memory OC'ing haha.

 

Probably best to watch a few YouTube videos and if you still have questions just start a new topic specifically on OC'ing your RX 580. Sorry I could not be more help on this! I don't want top recommend anything I am not educated on!

It's alright, i'll go watch a few JayzTwoCentz video's on this (Sorry Linus :D) 

 

Thanks for the massive help either way

 

Is there a way I can comment on your profile or give you a review?? 

[DailyProcrastinator]

3 minutes ago, NoJoy said:

It's alright, i'll go watch a few JayzTwoCentz video's on this (Sorry Linus :D) 

 

Thanks for the massive help either way

 

Is there a way I can comment on your profile or give you a review?? 

Jay is a good resource for that!

 

No problem, happy to help!

 

Just all the likes is good enough  improves my 'reputation' I suppose haha