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[TropicalPepsi]

So I am trying to build a budget gaming pc that will have some capability to actually play games. Specifically I like to play games like minecraft, csgo and rocket league however I'm not expecting max settings. I just want a build that can get mid settings or lower but get some decent fps so it runs smooth. 

I have a budget of around 650 dollars is there anyone that could help me out with a decent build as I have no clue what I'm doing or where to even start especially with graphics cards these days and how confusing some cpu's can be due to whether more cores at better or a higher clock speed is better. 

[TropicalPepsi]

1 minute ago, NZgamer said:

What country?

California

[Boomwebsearch]

33 minutes ago, TropicalPepsi said:

So I am trying to build a budget gaming pc that will have some capability to actually play games. Specifically I like to play games like minecraft, csgo and rocket league however I'm not expecting max settings. I just want a build that can get mid settings or lower but get some decent fps so it runs smooth. 

I have a budget of around 650 dollars is there anyone that could help me out with a decent build as I have no clue what I'm doing or where to even start especially with graphics cards these days and how confusing some cpu's can be due to whether more cores at better or a higher clock speed is better. 

 

I have used PCPartsPicker to create a hardware configuration based on your stated needs. - Have fun building your new computer!

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 3200G 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($94.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus PRIME X570-P ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($149.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Patriot Viper Steel 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($64.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Silicon Power Ace A55 256 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($35.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: XFX Radeon RX 590 8 GB FATBOY OC+ Video Card  ($210.99 @ Best Buy) 
Case: Thermaltake Versa H21 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($44.99 @ Walmart) 
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($49.96 @ Amazon) 
Total: $651.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-27 18:17 EDT-0400

[TropicalPepsi]

2 minutes ago, Boomwebsearch said:

 

I have used PCPartsPicker to create a hardware configuration based on your stated needs. - Have fun building your new computer!

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 3200G 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($94.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus PRIME X570-P ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($149.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Patriot Viper Steel 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($64.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Silicon Power Ace A55 256 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($35.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: XFX Radeon RX 590 8 GB FATBOY OC+ Video Card  ($210.99 @ Best Buy) 
Case: Thermaltake Versa H21 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($44.99 @ Walmart) 
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($49.96 @ Amazon) 
Total: $651.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-27 18:17 EDT-0400

Thanks dude helps a lot! 

[Boomwebsearch]

18 minutes ago, NZgamer said:

Why a 3200G with an X570 board and only single channel memory?

You may experience BIOS compatibility issues with older AM4 socket motherboards which could require a BIOS update to work with newer CPUs and you first need to have an older CPU to be able to do that. The Asus Prime X570+ motherboard that I included in my recommended PCPartsPicker list would have full support for the 3200G without any BIOS updates necessary and supports upto 128GB of RAM. If you use 2x8 GB of RAM now, and you want to be able to have 64GB of memory in the system which supported by the motherboard in the future, you would need to throw out all the 2x8GB RAM for 4x16GB RAM. By buying the the memory which I had suggested in my PCPartsPicker recommendation list, you could easily add in another 1x16GB, 2x16GB, or even 3x16GB later on for having more memory (upto 64GB). So if in the future your needs change with the system, you don't need to throw out any RAM, only add more. Even heavy multi-tasking or other RAM heavy workloads such as video editing, should be more than great with 64GB of RAM.

 

[Boomwebsearch]

22 minutes ago, NZgamer said:

You realise it has that warning for all B450 and lower boards?

 

It says this on the page for the motherboard I recommended:

There is a reason that it says that for all B450 and lower motherboards and that is because there are no guarantees, if you get an older motherboard that has been in the warehouse for some time, the BIOS may still need to be updated. I understand that you are trying to say that it is supported by the motherboard, although without a BIOS update on an older manufactured motherboard, that may not be the case.

 

22 minutes ago, NZgamer said:

That's just a waste of money. Games only need 16GB of memory and I don't expect that to change for a long time. I get that you want to futureproof it, but by the time 16GB is not really enough for gaming, this build will be very outdated.

 

If your needs change in the future, you could throw in upto 64GB of RAM, and even a high-end processor such as the Ryzen 7 3950X, more storage, and better/another GPU of you wanted to. This is why I would always build a computer around upgradability and not just the minimum needed for the immediate present.

 

44 minutes ago, NZgamer said:

Case: HEC HX200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($35.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($69.73 @ Amazon)

 

This is a microATX mini tower case combined with an entirely non-modular power supply, you aren't going to have much place to cable manage all of those extra cables that you may not need with that case, and 450 watts is on the very low/minimum side if you factor in other expansion cards and USB devices (leaving not much room for component upgrades in the future).

[Boomwebsearch]

2 minutes ago, NZgamer said:

OP also said they don't know much about computers so I highly doubt they'll be upgrading.

2 minutes ago, NZgamer said:

I used MicroATX to save money for the build (and put the money towards more power). A non modular PSU is fine

2 minutes ago, NZgamer said:

OP said it's just for gaming so it's not like they need a capture card, sound card etc.

 

I don't agree with the idea that we should give people things that can't be upgraded just because it is not likely that they will do it or because it is not likely that they will know how to do it. Same goes for computers, it is not a good idea to purchase computer hardware that is very limited for upgrades just because you don't think you'll need it at the moment. Why did you cut corners on the case to add a worse power supply that costs more than the original one that I included and which has lower efficiency (80+ bronze instead of 80+ gold) and lower wattage (450 watts instead of 650 watts)?

 

[Boomwebsearch]

20 minutes ago, NZgamer said:

The motherboard has 4 DIMM slots so you can upgrade the RAM. You do not have to "throw out" the original kit for more ram.

If you wanted anything more than 32GB total, yes you would need to remove your 2x8GB RAM on your motherboard if it has 4 DIMM slots available. 

 

20 minutes ago, NZgamer said:

I agree with this one but I do trust Corsair more.

What makes Antec a non-reputable manufacturer for power supplies, they have a long history of making really reliable power supplies and their HCG power supplies are no exception to this. In this case, it is not a cost effective idea to cut corners on the case for a power supply which costs more and gives lower efficiency and wattage to get a subjectively more trustworthy brand. Antec and Corsair are both highly reputable power supply manufacturers, and therefore, you should compare the actual units that you buy and their specifications for what cost instead of going with the subjectively more reputable brand since you are comparing 2 very highly reputable manafacturers.

[SolarNova]

Realistically, a budget gamer isnt going to need more than 32Gb RAM.

 

Dual channel is a neccesity, it does make a significant difference.

2x8GB is perfectly fine (even 2x4 if an a super tight budget) if the motherboard supports 4 dimms.

 

One also shouldn't concern themselves over cable management when on a tight budget. U make do, the 1st and most important thing is to dedicate as much of the budget as possible on performance. Case really doesnt matter that much, the only thing u want to ensure is ample airflow.

Aesthetics and cable management are an after thought at this point.

[TropicalPepsi]

6 hours ago, SolarNova said:

Realistically, a budget gamer isnt going to need more than 32Gb RAM.

 

Dual channel is a neccesity, it does make a significant difference.

2x8GB is perfectly fine (even 2x4 if an a super tight budget) if the motherboard supports 4 dimms.

 

One also shouldn't concern themselves over cable management when on a tight budget. U make do, the 1st and most important thing is to dedicate as much of the budget as possible on performance. Case really doesnt matter that much, the only thing u want to ensure is ample airflow.

Aesthetics and cable management are an after thought at this point.

I can make do with a cheap case but I just l needed a base ground for something that maybe in the future if needed to upgrade due to higher power games then I could in some of the areas. Cable management isn't a problem for me as more than likely I won't be seeing this computer due to it being beside my desk in my little computer slot. So as long as the pc will have adequate performance for games I do not mind

[SolarNova]

6 hours ago, TropicalPepsi said:

I can make do with a cheap case but I just l needed a base ground for something that maybe in the future if needed to upgrade due to higher power games then I could in some of the areas. Cable management isn't a problem for me as more than likely I won't be seeing this computer due to it being beside my desk in my little computer slot. So as long as the pc will have adequate performance for games I do not mind

In that case consider something like the following.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 3 3200G 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$94.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$72.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$83.99 @ Newegg
Storage	ADATA SU655 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$56.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB OC Video Card	$229.99 @ Newegg
Case	Cougar MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case	$45.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Thermaltake Toughpower GX1 RGB 500 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply	$66.98 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$681.91
	Mail-in rebates	-$30.00
	Total	$651.91
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-28 09:18 EDT-0400

 

The CPU would ideally be a Ryzen 5 3600, but its almost double the cost of the 3200G, it is however an upgrade path.

 

Memory, was able to go a bit more expensive on memory to enable u to get 3600mhz which is the sweet spot for speed.

 

The case is cheap but has ample front intake, unlike a few cheaper options that use smaller front intake paired with side intake which wouldnt work if ur PC is confined in a desk.

 

The build includes an SSD, though its only 480gb, ull want to add more storage in the future, for a beginning build however its enough and ensures all ur storage is fast. I'd try steer clear of HDD's unless u really need like 2TB+ mass storage in one drive.

 

The PSU is good, though not modular.

 

 

[Boomwebsearch]

8 hours ago, TropicalPepsi said:

I can make do with a cheap case but I just l needed a base ground for something that maybe in the future if needed to upgrade due to higher power games then I could in some of the areas. Cable management isn't a problem for me as more than likely I won't be seeing this computer due to it being beside my desk in my little computer slot. So as long as the pc will have adequate performance for games I do not mind

I would definitely recommend investing in a good motherboard such as the Asus Prime X570+, older chipset motherboards or OEM proprietary ones may run into issues with working with newer grade hardware if you plan on upgrading down the road.

 

2 hours ago, SolarNova said:

The CPU would ideally be a Ryzen 5 3600, but its almost double the cost of the 3200G, it is however an upgrade path.

2 hours ago, SolarNova said:

Motherboard Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard

 

As I have mentioned previously in this thread, if you get an older B450 chipset motherboard that has been in the warehouse for some time, the BIOS may need to be updated to support the Ryzen CPUs, meaning that you may need an older CPU to be able to perform the BIOS upgrade. An X570+ motherboard would be a good choice even if it costs more since better support for newer hardware without potential compatibility problems.

 

2 hours ago, SolarNova said:

The build includes an SSD, though its only 480gb, ull want to add more storage in the future, for a beginning build however its enough and ensures all ur storage is fast. I'd try steer clear of HDD's unless u really need like 2TB+ mass storage in one drive.

Better option would be to get a 256GB SSD and a 500GB or 1TB hard disk drive for more storage. Having a 256GB SSD should be plenty for the OS and for accelerating frequently accessed files/programs.

 

2 hours ago, SolarNova said:

The PSU is good, though not modular.

 

For a build that you want to last longer, you should get a good modular power supply. If the PSU is modular then you can change out cables to custom cables and replace specific cables if they go bad instead of chucking the entire unit. And LOL, prices changed overnight, on the Antec HCG 650w 80+ Gold certified PSU, it now costs    $117.09 due to some crazy $67.13 shipping cost now being applicable.

 

I have spent some time on refining the initial PCPartsPicker list that I had suggested, this build would be what I would go with currently for an under $650 gaming system that offers a solid platform for future upgrades:

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Boomwebsearch/saved/YVLK3C

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 3200G 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($94.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus PRIME X570-P ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($159.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($67.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Silicon Power Ace A55 256 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($35.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 500 GB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($15.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 580 8 GB GT Video Card  ($144.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Aerocool Cylon ATX Mid Tower Case  ($46.66 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II EVO 520 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($81.19 @ Amazon) 
Total: $647.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-28 11:24 EDT-0400

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