Issues with 9900k

[MrSimplicity]

Okay... so I just upgraded to a 9900k from an 8700k on Monday 4/20 and when I first installed it everything worked perfectly until last night. I tried everything from setting all bios settings back to default to reseating the processor. At first I was getting BSOD left and right trying to figure out the issue. Now it freezes on the splash screen just after the enter uefi bios screen. After giving up on that I just went back to my 8700k and it booted up with now issues and could use my computer as I always have. This morning I went back to micro center and exchanged my 9900k for a new one, but when I got home I'm still getting the same issues. The only thing I can think of now is it's a bios thing somehow but wouldn't know where to start to update that.

[Guest]

Try the motherboard manual for bios update proceedure. This will be easiest for you to do, while nobody knows anything about the rest of the hardware.

 

Edit. Nvm I see the hardware list below in your sig. Lol

[5x5]

did you update your BIOS? Did you also try reinstalling the OS so as to clear any software problems left over?

[MrSimplicity]

Just now, 5x5 said:

did you update your BIOS? Did you also try reinstalling the OS so as to clear any software problems left over?

Hit the wrong button. So somehow I got it to boot. I went in and manually set the all core OC to 4.7 and it booted. Out of the box the damn thing set itself to 5.0/4.9

[5x5]

Just now, MrSimplicity said:

Hit the wrong button. So somehow I got it to boot. I went in and manually set the all core OC to 4.7 and it booted. Out of the box the damn thing set itself to 5.0/4.9

That's what happens when you don't update the BIOS.

[MrSimplicity]

Just now, 5x5 said:

That's what happens when you don't update the BIOS.

It's up to date. Asus has an updater that runs in the background automatically checking for updates to the environment and i check it almost everyday and there hasn't been an update for about a year.

[MrSimplicity]

3 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

That's what happens when you don't update the BIOS.

Last question... when I first installed it, it ran at 4.9GHz OTB and worked fine for a day. Any idea why it just suddenly failed after a full day of gaming and streaming?

[5x5]

5 minutes ago, MrSimplicity said:

It's up to date. Asus has an updater that runs in the background automatically checking for updates to the environment and i check it almost everyday and there hasn't been an update for about a year.

Updating the BIOS in Windows usually results in massive problems. There's a reason it's always recommended to use the BIOS utiltiy in the BIOS menus

[MrSimplicity]

25 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Updating the BIOS in Windows usually results in massive problems. There's a reason it's always recommended to use the BIOS utiltiy in the BIOS menus

but do you think that is why i am unable to OC that high? cuz i couldn't get past 4.8 with my 8700k either.

[Falkentyne]

Asus settings tend to be tuned differently than something like Gigabyte.  Asus, by default, sets the AC Loadlines extremely low (0.01 mOhms, IIRC) and sets the loadline calibration higher (less vdroop).  With a huge # of 9900k's overclocking like complete dogs, ever since the 9900KS binning happened, this can cause a lot of chips to fail prediction.

 

Gigabyte boards set the AC Loadlines much higher (either 1.0 or 1.3 mOhms) but keep the Loadline Calibration at Intel defaults, which is max vdroop (Auto=Intel defaults, which is 1.6 mOhms, which is the same as "standard" and "normal"), unless you enable multi-core enhancement, which I think sets the Vcore to 1.35v and I know 100% for sure sets the loadline calibration to Turbo, IIRC.

 

So you're going to have to overclock manually.

Set your bios to sync all cores, set CPU Vcore to 1.350v manual, set Loadline Calibration to Level 5 and set Core ratio to x49 and ring ratio to x43.

Set VCCIO to 1.15v and VCCSA to 1.20v.  Save and boot windows.

 

Does that work?

[MrSimplicity]

21 minutes ago, Falkentyne said:

Asus settings tend to be tuned differently than something like Gigabyte.  Asus, by default, sets the AC Loadlines extremely low (0.01 mOhms, IIRC) and sets the loadline calibration higher (less vdroop).  With a huge # of 9900k's overclocking like complete dogs, ever since the 9900KS binning happened, this can cause a lot of chips to fail prediction.

 

Gigabyte boards set the AC Loadlines much higher (either 1.0 or 1.3 mOhms) but keep the Loadline Calibration at Intel defaults, which is max vdroop (Auto=Intel defaults, which is 1.6 mOhms, which is the same as "standard" and "normal"), unless you enable multi-core enhancement, which I think sets the Vcore to 1.35v and I know 100% for sure sets the loadline calibration to Turbo, IIRC.

 

So you're going to have to overclock manually.

Set your bios to sync all cores, set CPU Vcore to 1.350v manual, set Loadline Calibration to Level 5 and set Core ratio to x49 and ring ratio to x43.

Set VCCIO to 1.15v and VCCSA to 1.20v.  Save and boot windows.

 

Does that work?

I updated my BIOS and am now currently sitting at 5GHz ran Cinebench R20 temps were a bit scary, one core hit 99° the next highest was 97° with the TJmax being 115° though i'm not too worried, I don't think I will do anything that will stress it that hard on a day to day basis. So i think I'm good. but initially to get out of it being stuck i just manually UC to 4.7 and booted it up so i could download the BIOS update and all is well.

[MrSimplicity]

1 hour ago, 5x5 said:

Updating the BIOS in Windows usually results in massive problems. There's a reason it's always recommended to use the BIOS utiltiy in the BIOS menus

Officially running at 5GHz now after updating BIOS

 

Thank you very much kind sir