UPS World ship server replacement.

[MrBaker89]

Hello people! 

 

We currently have this monstrosity running our UPS world ship server HPE PROLIANT MICROSERVER GEN10 X3216.

 

It is a sack of Sh*t to say the least, I have been onto the supplier asking for the cost of an upgrade approx £940 for not much more performance increase. 

 

Could anyone suggest something I could build.... I have only ever built domestic computers.

 

Any help would be very much appreciated.

 

 

[Windows7ge]

If you build your own are you willing to take on the responsibility of the downtime when it stops working?

[MrBaker89]

6 hours ago, Windows7ge said:

If you build your own are you willing to take on the responsibility of the downtime when it stops working?

Yes, I’d rather know the system inside out, we have a backup server that we can switch over to if needed. 

[Windows7ge]

1 hour ago, MrBaker89 said:

Yes, I’d rather know the system inside out, we have a backup server that we can switch over to if needed. 

What type of system load have you been experiencing with the software? How much memory (RAM) does it typically utilize. What has the CPU utilization looked like and how many cores does the current CPU(s) have?

[MrBaker89]

7 hours ago, Windows7ge said:

What type of system load have you been experiencing with the software? How much memory (RAM) does it typically utilize. What has the CPU utilization looked like and how many cores does the current CPU(s) have?

 

It runs UPS world ship server which has a Task scheduler that writes and reads files from our FTP server every minute, the micro server we currently have is only an Opteron X3216 dual core and 8GB ECC ram, I've never seen CPU util drop below 90% and ram util is about 6.9-7.5GB. 

[Windows7ge]

7 hours ago, MrBaker89 said:

 

It runs UPS world ship server which has a Task scheduler that writes and reads files from our FTP server every minute, the micro server we currently have is only an Opteron X3216 dual core and 8GB ECC ram, I've never seen CPU util drop below 90% and ram util is about 6.9-7.5GB. 

We could look into a 4C/8T Xeon. Something with a higher core clock and supports more memory. Could go with 16GB (2x8GB UDIMM/RDIMM ECC) to start with room for up to 32GB or go with 2x16GB with room for up to 64GB.

 

If you think the software can utilize more than 4 cores we can consider LGA2011-v3 or LGA2066. This would come with support for even more RAM.

 

By the way what's your budget?

[MrBaker89]

20 minutes ago, Windows7ge said:

We could look into a 4C/8T Xeon. Something with a higher core clock and supports more memory. Could go with 16GB (2x8GB UDIMM/RDIMM ECC) to start with room for up to 32GB or go with 2x16GB with room for up to 64GB.

 

If you think the software can utilize more than 4 cores we can consider LGA2011-v3 or LGA2066. This would come with support for even more RAM.

 

By the way what's your budget?

 

Budget is approx £1000 GBP.

 

The actual UPS world ship server software isn't that demanding it's the constant tasks that are running, I think a 4c/8t would be fine. 

[Windows7ge]

1 hour ago, MrBaker89 said:

 

Budget is approx £1000 GBP.

 

The actual UPS world ship server software isn't that demanding it's the constant tasks that are running, I think a 4c/8t would be fine. 

Socket LGA1151 would probably be fine then. Are you looking for a tower or rack-mount unit?

[MrBaker89]

1 hour ago, Windows7ge said:

Socket LGA1151 would probably be fine then. Are you looking for a tower or rack-mount unit?

Looking for a tower, I think anything would be better than the current opteron piece of sh*t we have! 

[Windows7ge]

28 minutes ago, MrBaker89 said:

Looking for a tower, I think anything would be better than the current opteron piece of sh*t we have! 

Well, here are some suggestions:

1. Intel Xeon E3-1245 v6
2. ASRock Rack E3C236D4U
3. NEMIX RAM 32GB 2x16GB

Looking at around about $560GBP depending on where you can source the parts may cost less or more. Power supply wise if you want a tower I'd look into the Corsair ATX units such as the RMi series. Your budget doesn't cover mini-redundant. If you need something professional and really reliable I'd look into Zippy.

 

What chassis you want is really dependent on your needs. How many 5.25" bays are required? How many 3.5" bays for storage?

[GDRRiley]

29 minutes ago, Windows7ge said:

Well, here are some suggestions:

1. Intel Xeon E3-1245 v6
2. ASRock Rack E3C236D4U
3. NEMIX RAM 32GB 2x16GB

Looking at around about $560GBP depending on where you can source the parts may cost less or more. Power supply wise if you want a tower I'd look into the Corsair ATX units such as the RMi series. Your budget doesn't cover mini-redundant. If you need something professional and really reliable I'd look into Zippy.

 

What chassis you want is really dependent on your needs. How many 5.25" bays are required? How many 3.5" bays for storage?

another option would be amd ryzen on a AsRock Rack X470D4U or X470D4U2-2T

 

how much local space?

hot swap bays?

 

Edited February 7, 2020 by GDRRiley
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[Windows7ge]

5 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

another option would be amd ryzen on a AsRock Rack X470D4U or X470D4U2-2T

So long as the board supports IPMI, ECC memory, and the other often see features on server motherboards I'm open to suggesting the AMD socket.

[GDRRiley]

Just now, Windows7ge said:

So long as the board supports IPMI, ECC memory, and the other often see features on server motherboards I'm open to suggesting the AMD socket.

thats what those 2 asrock boards are special for.

[GDRRiley]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£106.98 @ Aria PC)
Memory: Kingston 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  (£44.97 @ Currys PC World Business)
Memory: Kingston 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  (£44.97 @ Currys PC World Business)
Storage: Western Digital Green  120 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£19.60 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Green  120 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£19.60 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Thermaltake Versa H22 ATX Mid Tower Case  (£35.29 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  (£60.97 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: be quiet! Pure Wings 2 120 PWM 87 CFM 120 mm Fan  (£8.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: be quiet! Pure Wings 2 120 PWM 87 CFM 120 mm Fan  (£8.99 @ Amazon UK)
Custom: X470D4U2-2T (£299.00)
Total: £649.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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heres an idea of a build some storage requirements would be nice

[Dutch_Master]

As this is a for-profit-business machine, add some suitable storage with the WD Red series. The 1TB model is about 55 quid on Alternate.co.uk

 

Alternative suggestions:

main board: https://www.alternate.co.uk/Supermicro/MBD-H11SSL-I-O-Mainboard/html/product/1551006?

proc: https://www.alternate.co.uk/AMD/EPYC-7251-processor-2-1-GHz-32-MB-L3/html/product/1380382?

ECC RAM: https://www.alternate.co.uk/Transcend/DIMM-8GB-DDR4-2133-ECC-RAM/html/product/1236797?

 

It would bump your price to, or perhaps even over, your GBP1,000 budget, but these are server-grade components that are less likely to fail over their consumer-market counterparts.

 

HTH!

[GDRRiley]

34 minutes ago, Dutch_Master said:

As this is a for-profit-business machine, add some suitable storage with the WD Red series. The 1TB model is about 55 quid on Alternate.co.uk

HDD isn't need if theres no requirement for local storage.

and if its a small amount the extra for the SSD is worth the long term life

[Dutch_Master]

Fair enough, but it could be handy to incorporate the FTP server the OP mentioned onto the same machine, should his company wanting to save money. In that case, a pair of 1TB drives (RAID1) might not suffice. But we'll know more when the OP fills us in with his requirements, won't we?

[GDRRiley]

3 minutes ago, Dutch_Master said:

Fair enough, but it could be handy to incorporate the FTP server the OP mentioned onto the same machine, should his company wanting to save money. In that case, a pair of 1TB drives (RAID1) might not suffice. But we'll know more when the OP fills us in with his requirements, won't we?

quotes or tags @Dutch_Master are import to let people know your responding to them

[Dutch_Master]

Given the demographic of the LTT target audience I'd say it's fairly safe to say that said audience understands my message directly below yours was a reply to your message. Thx 4 asking

[GDRRiley]

2 minutes ago, Dutch_Master said:

Given the demographic of the LTT target audience I'd say it's fairly safe to say that said audience understands my message directly below yours was a reply to your message. Thx 4 asking

but its about I don't get notified if you respond to me without it unless I follow the post

[Dutch_Master]

9 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

but its about I don't get notified if you respond to me without it unless I follow the post

Oh I see, sorry!

[MrBaker89]

13 hours ago, GDRRiley said:

another option would be amd ryzen on a AsRock Rack X470D4U or X470D4U2-2T

 

how much local space?

hot swap bays?

 

4TB would be plenty local storage.

 

We don’t currently have hot swap bays, but I do see it as an advantage, I was thinking of creating a duplicate drive that I can swap straight out if one fails. 

[MrBaker89]

@GDRRiley @Windows7ge @Dutch_Master 

 

Thank you all for your help, I’m a noob when it comes to servers, reliability and low maintenance are the 2 main features. I’ve only been at this company for 6 months and they are slowly moving me into taking over IT so I’m a bit nervous being given this project, so I’d like to get it spot on. 

[GDRRiley]

6 minutes ago, MrBaker89 said:

4TB would be plenty local storage.

 

We don’t currently have hot swap bays, but I do see it as an advantage, I was thinking of creating a duplicate drive that I can swap straight out if one fails. 

most good OS allow a hot spare.

okay so for HDD the 4tb are a bit cheaper but the 6tb offer a better value

raid 1 should be fine for the storage drives.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/Q7kj4D/seagate-ironwolf-nas-6-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-st6000vn0033

 

 

I've got a few of my own servers but most are 2010-2013. this is just based on hours of learning this. And I am a college student studying this kind of stuff

 

unfortunately the amd epyc dl325 or any other oem large or small is 1500-2000k after drives.

[MrBaker89]

11 hours ago, Dutch_Master said:

Fair enough, but it could be handy to incorporate the FTP server the OP mentioned onto the same machine, should his company wanting to save money. In that case, a pair of 1TB drives (RAID1) might not suffice. But we'll know more when the OP fills us in with his requirements, won't we?

Our FTP is hosted on our main Domain Controller Server, the ups world ship server is located in our shipping department and it is setup to read and write to the FTP drive.