Graphic card choice help??

[brokebeardedguy]

I'm running a i7 7800x clocked around 4.2ghz 64gb ddr4 quad channel and a pair of 960 in sli.MSI 960 4gb gaming

MSI 960 (4gb) in sli

MSI x299 SLI plus

8x8 gskill 3400

Thermaltake gold 850 psu

 

I have around $550-$600 to upgrade my graphics. 

 

My question is should I look at getting either a RTX 2070 super or a pair of 1080s'?

 

I do a equal mix of video editing, cad work and gaming. And we are going to get a VR setup once the downstairs is finished. 

 

Most of the program's I use are sli capable/compatible

[Bombastinator]

If it was me I’d wait for navi20/ampere

[brokebeardedguy]

Would be great but I'm already running gsync monitors.

[theinquisitor1989]

I would get a single 1080ti.

 

 

How Does the GTX 1080 Ti Stack Up in 2019?

https://www.techspot.com/review/1907-geforce-1080-ti-vs-rtx-2070-super-vs-radeon-5700-xt/ 

[brokebeardedguy]

4 hours ago, theinquisitor1989 said:

I would get a single 1080ti.

 

 

How Does the GTX 1080 Ti Stack Up in 2019?

https://www.techspot.com/review/1907-geforce-1080-ti-vs-rtx-2070-super-vs-radeon-5700-xt/ 

So a ti would still be better then sli 1080s for 3d renders?

[theinquisitor1989]

1 hour ago, brokebeardedguy said:

So a ti would still be better then sli 1080s for 3d renders?

sorry i didnt read "a pair of 1080". Im really unsure now

[brokebeardedguy]

15 minutes ago, theinquisitor1989 said:

sorry i didnt read "a pair of 1080". Im really unsure now

I read the forms on benefits of sli and whatnot.  But my pair of 960s beats my quatro card in most things I do...   I guess it's because I'm cheep and try to use last gen hardware. Even my servers only run a pair of 5570s.  Hope to step up in a few years to the 2011socket

[brokebeardedguy]

any input from the sli master?  @D2ultima

[Mick Naughty]

I’d get the 1080’s. Better than a ti in every game I play if the cpu allows. 

And if the render program benefits and you value the time it’s a good choice. 

[D2ultima]

8 hours ago, brokebeardedguy said:

any input from the sli master?  @D2ultima

If you have $600 USD and can manage $630, then you can get this EVGA B-stock card for that price. Otherwise, grab an EVGA B-stock 2080 and forget the 1080s exist. Your 7800X doesn't have enough PCi/e lanes to use SLI well enough for me to recommend it.

[brokebeardedguy]

11 hours ago, D2ultima said:

If you have $600 USD and can manage $630, then you can get this EVGA B-stock card for that price. Otherwise, grab an EVGA B-stock 2080 and forget the 1080s exist. Your 7800X doesn't have enough PCi/e lanes to use SLI well enough for me to recommend it.

that's really interesting considering (according to your tag) your running sli with less lanes then my 7800X.

down the road I did plan to grab a 9820x being that they have dropped a good deal in price.

I do appreciate the input though 

[D2ultima]

3 hours ago, brokebeardedguy said:

that's really interesting considering (according to your tag) your running sli with less lanes then my 7800X.

down the road I did plan to grab a 9820x being that they have dropped a good deal in price.

I do appreciate the input though 

I am on a laptop, and cannot put a 44-lane CPU inside here, or I would. There's literally situations I can't force on SLI with because I need x16/x16 like Dragonquest XI. I just have to deal with it.

[brokebeardedguy]

3 hours ago, D2ultima said:

I am on a laptop, and cannot put a 44-lane CPU inside here, or I would. There's literally situations I can't force on SLI with because I need x16/x16 like Dragonquest XI. I just have to deal with it.

I took this as dual gpus "| GTX 1080N SLI "    didn't know the N was a mobile graphics

[Mick Naughty]

How many lanes would someone even need? 28 seem like more than enough for most. 

[Otto_iii]

Hard question, i'd say do you care more about future gaming titles or CAD/Video Editing work? i doubt the CAD and video programs will drop SLI support if they already have it, but its unlikely any future games will support it, there might be a few that pop up but its constantly been a story of recent titles dropping support even if they previously had it, even work arounds to make it work no longer working (Apex is good example of this), so in most cases its really not a great investment for gaming. 

I'd side with 2070S or used 1080ti if gaming is more a concern and you play a variety of titles, especially if looking forward to new ones, but if CAD/Editing program supports it might be a huge boon there.  I'd suggest testing with one card disabled to see how well its scaling currently in the programs you currently use, if its scaling very well and CAD/Video Editing is a huge concern to you then 2x 1080s might make a lot of sense, otherwise nope. 

[D2ultima]

1 hour ago, brokebeardedguy said:

I took this as dual gpus "| GTX 1080N SLI "    didn't know the N was a mobile graphics

The N is shortform for "notebook" as the laptop community refers to it.

1 hour ago, Mick Naughty said:

How many lanes would someone even need? 28 seem like more than enough for most. 

you need at minimum PCI/e 3.0 x16 on each GPU or you risk severe scaling issues and an impossibility to use SLI properly on some games outright. NVLink SLI destroys this requirement, but is unavailable for anything other than 2000 series cards (or later, I would guess). 

[Mark Kaine]

On 11/28/2019 at 4:31 AM, brokebeardedguy said:

pair of 1080s

While some people here won't agree. 

 

Generally it's pretty much an accepted fact that sli is deader than dead.  So choice should be obvious.

[Mick Naughty]

7 hours ago, D2ultima said:

you need at minimum PCI/e 3.0 x16 on each GPU or you risk severe scaling issues and an impossibility to use SLI properly on some games outright. NVLink SLI destroys this requirement, but is unavailable for anything other than 2000 series cards (or later, I would guess). 

So if he’s on 10 series cards he wouldn’t seen x16 for each. They would have to go out of their way to even find a board that supported that. 

[brokebeardedguy]

12 hours ago, Otto_iii said:

Hard question, i'd say do you care more about future gaming titles or CAD/Video Editing work? i doubt the CAD and video programs will drop SLI support if they already have it, but its unlikely any future games will support it, 

With that said a some of the games don't have support listed but I see usage of both cards while playing. the other games have sli/multi gpu rendering

 

3 hours ago, Mick Naughty said:

So if he’s on 10 series cards he wouldn’t seen x16 for each. They would have to go out of their way to even find a board that supported that. 

msi x299 sli plus 4 pcie 3.0 x16 slots

 

10 hours ago, D2ultima said:

NVLink SLI destroys this requirement, but is unavailable for anything other than 2000 series cards (or later, I would guess). 

and that is one I don't know yet. I was looking at a 2070 super which is the lowest card that supports nvlink. and I can always get a second one later however it seams that a 1080 out preforms the 2070S in quite a few areas. so would 1080sli be better then 2070S NVlinked?

 

7 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

Generally it's pretty much an accepted fact that sli is deader than dead.  So choice should be obvious.

maybe for gaming but it has allowed me to do a lot with my system without dropping 1200usd on a gpu

 

 

as far as video work I know ill get more going to the 9820x with the added cores during rendering vs graphics. but I have a few servers that I use for the workload so Im not super concerned w/ upgrading my cpu right now. but im limited greatly on my graphics rendering for v ram as well as fps during movement/playback all while hopeing if team blue ever goes 10nm or 7nm they stick with the 2066 socket like team red did for the threadripper

[Mark Kaine]

21 minutes ago, brokebeardedguy said:

maybe for gaming but it has allowed me to do a lot with my system without dropping 1200usd on a gpu

Yeah I know there are exceptions, hence generally. I just wouldn't recommend this to anyone unless they totally need it for some specific app / game. 

 

Also wouldn't advise buying a $1200 GPU which you know will be outclassed next year with 7nm class of NV GPUs (when there aren't any delays anyway) 

 

So if you really want to buy anything right now, I'd probably go with 2060/2070/S (or indeed 1080ti)

 

It's all just souped (marked) up 1080ti's anyhow  

[Mick Naughty]

So with that board 28 lanes is enough for 2 1080’s. Unless running them at 16x unleashes some fancy power that has yet to be seen. 

[D2ultima]

7 hours ago, Mick Naughty said:

So if he’s on 10 series cards he wouldn’t seen x16 for each. They would have to go out of their way to even find a board that supported that. 

Not go out of the way for a board, unless you're on mainstream where you need a PCH chip (which does add some latency but the scaling will be there). Once you hit HEDT you simply need a CPU with enough lanes, so any threadripper, the 7900X or higher or the 9---X chips (any of them, even the base one has 44 lanes) will do it. Since he has a 7800X he only has 28 lanes, which cannot provide the 32 required for good SLI pre-NVLink bridge

11 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

While some people here won't agree. 

 

Generally it's pretty much an accepted fact that sli is deader than dead.  So choice should be obvious.

As the author of the SLI info guide I must say if you're not on NVLink or x16/x16/HB bridge, there's little real point, and even then you still need manual forcing of it on some games (though the effects certainly hold value when you can, but it isn't something I recommend to an average person).

4 hours ago, brokebeardedguy said:

and that is one I don't know yet. I was looking at a 2070 super which is the lowest card that supports nvlink. and I can always get a second one later however it seams that a 1080 out preforms the 2070S in quite a few areas. so would 1080sli be better then 2070S NVlinked?

2070S will ballpark a 1080 on any given day, but when a game likes Turing, it'll knock 1080 out the park and run like a 1080Ti or better. Apex Legends is a good example of a game that loves the backend improvements on Turing architecture, where a game like Sekiro is an example of where it won't make much difference.

 

Either way, I 100% wholeheartedly say, if the price is similar get Turing over Pascal. By far. In fact if it's even feasible to get a Turing card over any pascal card of similar performance, then do that anyway. The 2070S though, uhh, I would still look at an EVGA B-stock 2080 for closer to $500 instead of a 2070S. B-stock 2070 as well can be found for around $400 USD so that's also a good price vs the $500 or so 2070S if you're not wanting to SLI.

[brokebeardedguy]

I really wish someone with a pile of hardware like a tech review company would make some comparison videos on new vs older tech instead of just bench-testing on slandered setups. hell we have a slew of videos stuffing 7+gpus into a system with $20k worth of processors, lol. don't get me wrong I enjoy the content I just feel like some other comparisons could be done. I know a lot of guys that run 2/3 way sli and are a afraid to upgrade because they don't know if its worth the money.

[Mick Naughty]

Plenty of YouTube videos doing that. Two old cards versus one. Consumer and prosumer comparisons. 

[brokebeardedguy]

Apparently games Nexis did exactly that compaired 2080nv vs 2080 vs 1080sli vs 1080