Upgrade CPU / GPU?

[compl3x]

I only ever play Rust, and some other not demanding games such as CSGO / Rainbow Six.

 

CPU: i5 6400 (2.70 GHz)

GPU: RX 570

RAM: 16GB @ 2133 MHz

Monitor: 1080p at 75hz

Motherboard: Acer Predator G3-710

Games installed on SSD.

 

I have around 200-280 euro to upgrade something. I would want to upgrade my motherboard and CPU to Ryzen or upgrade GPU to GTX 1070. Which is the best upgrade? Should I wait and save more for a GTX 1080? Currently getting around 40-60 fps but feels lower. Please keep in mind I only play Rust, and I have heard Intel CPUs perform better in Rust, but I'm not sure.

 

Thanks!

[Faisal A]

Personally, I think it would be better to upgrade your CPU and motherboard and then you can upgrade your GPU later if you feel like it

[W1ll1aming]

15 minutes ago, compl3x said:

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prebuilt machine.. with oem motherboard, that isnt going to be easy to find compability lists for..

but USERBENCHMARK has one based on people with the same machine using other cpu's.

 

However i found a forum post with some things.

Acer site

 

That says it supports  Intel Core i7 7700K.

However i cannot say for sure that its going to work.

[Juular]

I double on @Faisal A suggestion, upgrade the CPU to R5 2600 with some cheap motherboard like ASRock B450 Pro or save a bit more and get R5 3600 with MSI MAX board. For the GPU upgrade i'd wait at least half a year for a new AMD Navi II and what nVidia and Intel will offer, it seems that 2020 will be hot year for GPUs.

[Juular]

2 minutes ago, WillLTT said:

prebuilt machine.. with oem motherboard, that isnt going to be easy to find compability lists for..

but USERBENCHMARK has one based on people with the same machine using other cpu's.

However i would be too quick to trust it 

It's pretty standard sized mATX case with plenty of room for long GPUs and PSUs. Speaking of PSUs, i'd recommend to replace it over stock one too but that's probably with the GPU upgrade.

[W1ll1aming]

4 minutes ago, Juular said:

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Swapping from intel to ryzen?

Its a prebuilt, it might have "traps" that make it only work with oem motherboard.

that did that with acer veriton s680g, as i have tested my self, the front panel connectors only work with the oem board.

[W1ll1aming]

1 minute ago, Juular said:

It's pretty standard sized mATX case with plenty of room for long GPUs and PSUs. Speaking of PSUs, i'd recommend to replace it over stock one too but that's probably with the GPU upgrade.

Yeah, but they may have tripwired hook'd the oem machine like they did with acer veriton s680g and lots  of other machines, acer likes doing that.

 

However i cannot speak for their gaming series. as i havent tested it there.

[Juular]

1 minute ago, WillLTT said:

Swapping from intel to ryzen?

Its a prebuilt, it might have "traps" that make it only work with oem motherboard.

that did that with acer veriton s680g, as i have tested my self, the front panel connectors only work with the oem board.

I don't know what 'traps' you're talking about, if it's about non-standard motherboard stands config, based on pictures of this board it looks like standard mATX board too.

[W1ll1aming]

2 minutes ago, Juular said:

I don't know what 'traps' you're talking about, if it's about non-standard motherboard stands config, based on pictures of this board it looks like standard mATX board too.

the "traps" im talking about are acer making the fpanel connectors only work with the oem mobo and other oem acer motherboards. the look normal but they dont use 

 

However i dunno if they still do this, they may have moved away from it since i last used an acer desktop

[Juular]

Just now, WillLTT said:

the "traps" im talking about are acer making the fpanel connectors only work with the oem mobo.

 

However i dunno if they still do this, they may have moved away from it since i last used an acer desktop

Oh... but even if this the case it's easy to counter by setting a PC to turn-on with keyboard\mouse and not using front panel at all.

[W1ll1aming]

3 minutes ago, Juular said:

Oh... but even if this the case it's easy to counter by setting a PC to turn-on with keyboard\mouse and not using front panel at all.

yeah, id probably spare up $ and when i get to a good amount just build a new one.

 

As ive tried to upgrade oem's before. it isnt fun.

also sometimes acer uses to use their own cooler mounts so it wount let any normal lga1151 coolers mount.

 

However last time i upgraded an oem was an HP dc8300 sff. so i could be outdated here.

[Juular]

Either way it's not a big deal to get some cheap new case for 20-30$ or so and, get new motherboard with CPU and possibly PSU and move RAM & GPU to it.

[W1ll1aming]

2 minutes ago, Juular said:

Either way it's not a big deal to get some cheap new case for 20-30$ or so and, get new motherboard with CPU and possibly PSU and move RAM & GPU to it.

at that point its new build and not an upgrade.

 

but as i said in my first thread post. your best bet for cpu upgrading without having to deal with all this

is going for an Intel Core i7 7700K.

cpu support on the forums

 

[Juular]

1 minute ago, WillLTT said:

at that point its new build and not an upgrade.

It's only a new case if this one wouldn't support new motherboard for some reason.

[W1ll1aming]

 

14 minutes ago, Juular said:

Either way it's not a big deal to get some cheap new case for 20-30$ or so and, get new motherboard with CPU and possibly PSU and move RAM & GPU to it.

Juular said: get a new motherboard + cpu possibly psu

 

yeah, move the gpu thats a good idea.

but you still end up having to buy

motherboard
psu
case
cpu
ram (ddr4)

and with a budget of 200 euro id just wait.

sorry for then tons of edits. im improving my answear as im post.

 

so my answear

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get an Intel Core i7 7700K and upgrade your current motherboard. Acer forum

still stands.

[mariushm]

If you go Ryzen, you'll also have to upgrade the motherboard AND memory (you currently have DDR3 memory, Ryzen uses DDR4)

 

According to the video below, the power supply is standard atx so you should be able to reuse the psu and the case

 

 

 

[W1ll1aming]

3 minutes ago, mariushm said:

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so much truble to opg to ryzen, why not just go for 

14 minutes ago, WillLTT said:

an Intel Core i7 7700K.

cpu support on the forums

 

 

[Juular]

9 minutes ago, WillLTT said:

but you still end up having to buy

I'm not sure because that CPU & chipset supports both DDR3 and DDR4 but it seems that Acer G3-710 uses DDR4 RAM.

Either way i7 6700k\7700k goes for about ~250$ on eBay, this is out of budget. And if they indeed have DDR4 RAM, R5 3600 based upgrade would be better deal for roughly the same price, with practically the same gaming performance but more multi-threaded performance and better upgrade path.

[mariushm]

@WillLTT the very same forum page says that 7 series is NOT supported a post or two lower:

 

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Actually 7th gen CPUs won't work, because the BIOS doesn't support them and it can't be updated. The CPUs you can install should be 6th generation. 
There is no point having an overclockable CPU, as the motherboard doesn't support overclocking. The best CPU you can go for is i7-6700.
 

 

Also, 7700k is 350$ on Amazon and CPUBenchmark lists it at 11994 points  (i5 6400 has 6754 points) 

 

Ryzen 2600 is 115$ and scores 13513 points and can be overclocked further and has 6core/12 threads making it better for games.

A decent motherboard is 60$ or more, 16 GB of DDR4 memory is  60$ ... so ~ 250$ gets you CPU+MB+RAM

 

In addition to this, you also have the benefit of selling the MB+CPU+RAM combo on eBay or whatever for let's say 50-100$ and get some money back.

 

edit: if your ram is DDR4, then I guess it could be reused but from your original post it seems it's running at 2133 Mhz (1060 something x 2) and that's really low for Ryzen, which would like 2666 Mhz or higher, ideally 3200 Mhz.

So I personally would sell the mb+cpu+old ram as a bundle and get better ram, but you could sell just cpu and board as bundle.

[Juular]

And IF they actually have DDR3 RAM i'd still recommend R5 2600 based build with new DDR4 RAM, again for roughly the same price.

[Juular]

2 minutes ago, mariushm said:

@WillLTT the very same forum page says that 7 series is NOT supported a post or two lower:

 

It's probably the case but i7 6700k is practically the same as i7 7700k so it doesn't really matter.

4 minutes ago, mariushm said:

Also, 7700k is 350$ on Amazon and CPUBenchmark lists it at 11994 points  (i5 6400 has 6754 points) 

Ryzen 2600 is 115$ and scores 13513 points and can be overclocked further and has 6core/12 threads making it better for games.

Not so fast, that's MT score, it's unrelevant for gaming in this case (the both have a plenty of threads for current games). R5 2600's ST performance is lower than of OC'd i7 6700k this matters for games. But with R5 2600 you'll get better upgrade path, that's why i still recommend it. And granted they have DDR4 memory you don't actually need to make compromises here, just get R5 3600.

[compl3x]

I have just checked, RAM is DDR4 at 2133 MHz, and my budget could extend up to 280 euro max actually, now thinking about it. Would it be worth buying a Ryzen 7 2700X?