Which CPU should I choose

[alexslm]

Hello, so I'm upgrading my gaming pc and I can't decide which CPU is better for gaming (I play games like battlefield V, cod mw, overwatch, titanfall 2, apex legends, RDR2). I'm stuck between these:

ryzen 5 3600, ryzen 5 3600x, ryzen 7 2700 and ryzen 7 2700x (ryzen 7 2700 is the cheapest one, found it at a discount, it's $170). I'm planning on buying an rtx 2060 6gb. Now if I get the ryzen 7 2700 I will be able to purchase an rtx 2060 super 8GB. 

P.S.: I have a segotep h9plus+ 520w PSU.

[Jimkirk363]

Obviously the Ryzen 3000 series are gonna be the better chips out of the bunch.

 

I Have the Ryzen 2700x which i use for gaming and encoding and im a very happy chappy with it.

[Midnitewolf]

My choice out of those would be the 3600 but there was just a thread about comparing the 2700x to the 3600 and I think we kind of concluded it was a half dozen one, six the other scenario.  All things being equal though, unless you can get the 2700/2700x at a signficant discount say maybe $150 or less, I would still probably stick with the 3600.  $20-$30 less just don't seem a big enough reason to drop back a generation though a $20-$30 difference in price might be more meaningful to you than me.

[Coachdude]

Go for the 3600. Pretty much the best bang for the buck processor currently available on the market. It'll be faster than the 2700 as well as roughly matching it in multithreaded performance. The increased IPC of the third gen Ryzen processors has helped gaming performance considerably. The 3600 should be around 200 and for the price difference I would really try to stretch for it. If you cannot and it means getting the non super 2060 vs the Super, I'd probably go for the 2700 and the Super. But again, try to get the 3600 and the Super if possible, as that'd be the best for overall gaming performance. Or consider getting a 5700 from AMD, as it should be cheaper than the 2060S and offer similar levels of performance and may allow you to squeeze the 3600 into budget as well. 

[Mister Woof]

I'll leave this here.

 

All those other CPUs are in the charts too. And the gpu in these charts is MUCH more powerful than the 2060.

 

 

[alexslm]

2 minutes ago, Coachdude said:

Go for the 3600. Pretty much the best bang for the buck processor currently available on the market. It'll be faster than the 2700 as well as roughly matching it in multithreaded performance. The increased IPC of the third gen Ryzen processors has helped gaming performance considerably. The 3600 should be around 200 and for the price difference I would really try to stretch for it. If you cannot and it means getting the non super 2060 vs the Super, I'd probably go for the 2700 and the Super. But again, try to get the 3600 and the Super if possible, as that'd be the best for overall gaming performance. Or consider getting a 5700 from AMD, as it should be cheaper than the 2060S and offer similar levels of performance and may allow you to squeeze the 3600 into budget as well. 

I was gonna go for the 5700, but I've seen so many recent reviews about bsod and crashing

[Jurrunio]

what board will you use with them? Ryzen 7s do need better boards to run at full speed. Also 3rd gen is more capable at higher frame rates, think of them as low clocked Intel Coffee Lake CPUs.

[Midnitewolf]

1 minute ago, alexslm said:

I was gonna go for the 5700, but I've seen so many recent reviews about bsod and crashing

Yeah, the AMD drivers need to mature a bit more unfortunately and that is too bad because the are by far the best bang for the buck.  I mean I don't think most people are having issues with the 5700 series but if your one of the unlucky ones, it might just be too frustrating to deal with.  While Nivida drivers are by no means perfect, they do tend to be more stable and since the architecture has been out longer, there has been a lot more time to fix any problems that came up.

[alexslm]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

what board will you use with them? Ryzen 7s do need better boards to run at full speed. Also 3rd gen is more capable at higher frame rates, think of them as low clocked Intel Coffee Lake CPUs.

Gigabyte AORUS B450 PRO

[Midnitewolf]

5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

what board will you use with them? Ryzen 7s do need better boards to run at full speed. Also 3rd gen is more capable at higher frame rates, think of them as low clocked Intel Coffee Lake CPUs.

Yeah this question doesn't get asked enough.   You can get by on a pretty cheap board with the 2700 but with the 3000 series you probably want to step it up a notch. 

[alexslm]

I also have two monitors, both 1920x1080, 144Hz (main) and 75Hz (secondary)

[Mister Woof]

6 minutes ago, alexslm said:

I also have two monitors, both 1920x1080, 144Hz (main) and 75Hz (secondary)

Sadly even with 3000 series in (most) games the Intel offerings are easier and more reliability going to hit those 144fps numbers.

 

Personally, I find that unless you are playing and are very competitive in shooters, anything around 85-120 fps is perfect and not wasting power/heat.

 

I notice going from 75 to 85 and 100, but personally after 120 it's all a wash to me, and after 120fps my gpu turns into a jet engine

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, alexslm said:

Gigabyte AORUS B450 PRO

Objectively, this board is awful. for ambient overclockers like me there's not enough power delivery (can run 6 core CPUs full speed, not 8 cores), for normal users there's far too few USB ports in the rear I/O.

 

8 minutes ago, Midnitewolf said:

Yeah this question doesn't get asked enough.   You can get by on a pretty cheap board with the 2700 but with the 3000 series you probably want to step it up a notch. 

Opposite, in this case it's the 2700 that needs more power for full speed (i.e. after overclocking)

[alexslm]

1 minute ago, Plutosaurus said:

Sadly even with 3000 series in (most) games the Intel offerings are easier and more reliability going to hit those 144fps numbers.

I've heard that amd has improved a lot, this is my first time considering buying something from amd and I don't know anything about it. I can also consider buying an i5 9600KF, I just can't decide which processor is the best for me

[alexslm]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

Objectively, this board is awful. for ambient overclockers like me there's not enough power delivery (can run 6 core CPUs full speed, not 8 cores), for normal users there's far too few USB ports in the rear I/O.

 

Opposite, in this case it's the 2700 that needs more power for full speed (i.e. after overclocking)

as I said in the previous post, I don't know anything related to amd, I don't own that motherboard yet but I wanted to buy it, I thought it would be enough for something like ryzen 5 3600 or ryzen 7 2700

[Mister Woof]

4 minutes ago, alexslm said:

I've heard that amd has improved a lot, this is my first time considering buying something from amd and I don't know anything about it. I can also consider buying an i5 9600KF, I just can't decide which processor is the best for me

It's not worth handicapping yourself with a non-smt chip Imo.

[Jurrunio]

32 minutes ago, alexslm said:

as I said in the previous post, I don't know anything related to amd, I don't own that motherboard yet but I wanted to buy it, I thought it would be enough for something like ryzen 5 3600 or ryzen 7 2700

Check out the MSI B450 ATX boards, their ATX boards will all do even the more power hungry Ryzen 7s no problem

[Midnitewolf]

30 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Objectively, this board is awful. for ambient overclockers like me there's not enough power delivery (can run 6 core CPUs full speed, not 8 cores), for normal users there's far too few USB ports in the rear I/O.

 

Opposite, in this case it's the 2700 that needs more power for full speed (i.e. after overclocking)

You are correct, however, I pretty much feel that if your going to buy a 3000 series Ryzen chip, you should just go ahead and pair it with a x570 MB to get the PCI-e 4.0 functionality in case you find it needed for GPU solutions down the road and most of those boards are sporting greatly enhanced VRM solutions.   Right now Newegg is selling the Gigabyte x570 Aorus Elite for $169.99 with an additional $20 rebate.  While it is still more costly than boards without the x570, $150 isn't that much more expensive and it has a very solid VRM for just about anything you want to do.

 

 

28 minutes ago, alexslm said:

as I said in the previous post, I don't know anything related to amd, I don't own that motherboard yet but I wanted to buy it, I thought it would be enough for something like ryzen 5 3600 or ryzen 7 2700

 

Take a look at that Gigabyte x570 Aorus Elite I mentioned above.  I think that would do the trick for you without breaking the bank if you decide you want to go AMD.

[Jurrunio]

11 minutes ago, Midnitewolf said:

Right now Newegg is selling the Gigabyte x570 Aorus Elite for $169.99 with an additional $20 rebate.

Explain that to someone considering a cheap board. PCIe 3.0 x16 is still plenty for graphics cards you can buy today, let alone options one buying a cheap board will realistically consider.

[Midnitewolf]

8 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Explain that to someone considering a cheap board. PCIe 3.0 x16 is still plenty for graphics cards you can buy today, let alone options one buying a cheap board will realistically consider.

Cheap is one thing, cheap to the point of being junk is another.  I think most people buying a MB priced less than $100 are doing themselves a huge disservice.  Also if your considering AMD 3rd gen, then you really should be considering $150 as being on the cheap end of things.  I guess that is my point.  But I get it.  You only have as much money as you have and sometimes, $50 is $50 too much.  Also it is very easy to nickle and dime yourself to death the other direction by saying, "This is only $10 more or that is only $50 more.  It is very easy get so outside your original budget doing that it isn't even funny.

[Jurrunio]

3 minutes ago, Midnitewolf said:

cheap to the point of being junk is another

Not all B450 boards are junk, they arent built equal. It's not that harsh on boards when the CPU pulls 100-150w (3rd gen Ryzen 5 and 7)

[Midnitewolf]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

Not all B450 boards are junk, they arent built equal. It's not that harsh on boards when the CPU pulls 100-150w (3rd gen Ryzen 5 and 7)

But how much cheaper are the good B450 boards?  When I was looking it seemed like the decent ones were in the $100-$120 range which is why I just decided to spend the extra money for a decent x570 board like the Gigabyte Aorus Elite. 

[alexslm]

The cheapest motherboard I could find that has PCIe 4.0 is MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS, which is +$93 out of my budget, now I could wait a little longer(like 2 months) and get that one or I could go with GIGABYTE AORUS B450 ELITE

[alexslm]

The thing is that I have this i3 7100 that can't handle anything I'm doing anymore, and I really feel like I need to upgrade it asap

[Jurrunio]

8 minutes ago, Midnitewolf said:

But how much cheaper are the good B450 boards?  When I was looking it seemed like the decent ones were in the $100-$120 range which is why I just decided to spend the extra money for a decent x570 board like the Gigabyte Aorus Elite. 

about that much, $100-120. It's even worse if the board cost over 85% than the CPU does (3600) tho comparing to 62% right? That $50 (roughly) is what 3000MHz-3200MHz CL16 2x8GB memory kits cost, a little more than what it takes to upgrade from a 500gb SSD to a 1TB SSD, or getting a good cooler to replace the Wraith Stealth, or enough case fans to completely occupy a case, or upgrading a 1660ti to a 2060. Even a decent PSU can be had for $50