Screen bleeding?

[uberas]

I’ve just bought new monitor for myself - Lenovo L24i-10

i think it got some screen bleeding but I’m not sure hence why writing there, have a look:

 

[uberas]

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[Juusuhako]

29 minutes ago, uberas said:

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Google "IPS Glow"

[SolarNova]

Chances are some of that is IPS glow.

 

When u look at the screen, move urself further away and move side to side. if the issue 'changes' in intensity, its IPS glow. if it remains the same regardless of viewing angle (which will include distance) then its BLB.

 

 

[uberas]

9 hours ago, SolarNova said:

Chances are some of that is IPS glow.

 

When u look at the screen, move urself further away and move side to side. if the issue 'changes' in intensity, its IPS glow. if it remains the same regardless of viewing angle (which will include distance) then its BLB.

 

 

Yeah, it actually got worse when viewing from angles so that’ll be IPS Glow. That’s weird because people says all IPS panels suffer from that but my ex monitor (LG IPS237L) didn’t have that problem at all. Also, the viewing angles aren’t that perfect(way worse than LG) however specs indicate it’s the same 178 degrees angle. Can it be problem with monitor itself or it’s just worse made?

[SolarNova]

1 hour ago, uberas said:

Yeah, it actually got worse when viewing from angles so that’ll be IPS Glow. That’s weird because people says all IPS panels suffer from that but my ex monitor (LG IPS237L) didn’t have that problem at all. Also, the viewing angles aren’t that perfect(way worse than LG) however specs indicate it’s the same 178 degrees angle. Can it be problem with monitor itself or it’s just worse made?

Panel lottery. You could try to get another one via RMA/returns, it will be different, but better or worse i dont know.

 

All IPS panels do indeed have the glow, however what ur experiencing is what people generally think about when talking about IPS glow, the 'bad' exaggerated concentrated areas on the screen, the 'normal' IPS glow is the overall blue glow the entire panel makes when trying to display pure black (most noticeable in very dark rooms).

 

in regards to manufacturers specs ...take them with a grain of salt, its always best to check reviews, thorough reviews like those by rtings and tftcentral.

[uberas]

3 hours ago, SolarNova said:

Panel lottery. You could try to get another one via RMA/returns, it will be different, but better or worse i dont know.

 

All IPS panels do indeed have the glow, however what ur experiencing is what people generally think about when talking about IPS glow, the 'bad' exaggerated concentrated areas on the screen, the 'normal' IPS glow is the overall blue glow the entire panel makes when trying to display pure black (most noticeable in very dark rooms).

 

in regards to manufacturers specs ...take them with a grain of salt, its always best to check reviews, thorough reviews like those by rtings and tftcentral.

Yeah can’t find any reviews for that Lenovo though. Will try to RMA because IPS was meant to have great watching angles and that thing isn’t great because of it?

[uberas]

But look at the old monitor(also IPS) for reference

[SolarNova]

@uberas

 

The LG looks like it has a more uniform amount of IPS glow across almost the entire screen, the bottom left has less.

 

The Lenovo has 'less' but because of that its more obvious in each corner.

 

here check out the below link.

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/table/8703

i have set the search tool to show all reviewed monitors listed by Panel type starting with IPS then TN then VA, the links "image" are to the images of the black uniformity.

open as many as u like in new tabs and cycle through them to see examples of IPS glow.

 

open up the image for the best scored black uniformity  (its a TV VA panel -Philips Momentum 42"), you can clearly notice the difference. The VA panel is a dark grey, closer to black, but sitll has some clouding caused by BLB, whilst the IPS screens have a dirty cloudy blue hue (thats IPS glow) with areas of higher intensity.

 

Most of the worst black uniformity monitors are IPS and TN, but thats not to say VA is without fault, one of the worst is a VA panel with very obvious points of BLB that clearly show the placement of the backlights. (msi mag271cqr)

[uberas]

30 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

@uberas

 

The LG looks like it has a more uniform amount of IPS glow across almost the entire screen, the bottom left has less.

 

The Lenovo has 'less' but because of that its more obvious in each corner.

 

here check out the below link.

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/table/8703

i have set the search tool to show all reviewed monitors listed by Panel type starting with IPS then TN then VA, the links "image" are to the images of the black uniformity.

open as many as u like in new tabs and cycle through them to see examples of IPS glow.

 

open up the image for the best scored black uniformity  (its a TV VA panel -Philips Momentum 42"), you can clearly notice the difference. The VA panel is a dark grey, closer to black, but sitll has some clouding caused by BLB, whilst the IPS screens have a dirty cloudy blue hue (thats IPS glow) with areas of higher intensity.

 

Most of the worst black uniformity monitors are IPS and TN, but thats not to say VA is without fault, one of the worst is a VA panel with very obvious points of BLB that clearly show the placement of the backlights. (msi mag271cqr)

Okay, can see that and obviously the true blacks are only achievable on OLED displays however that still seems a bit weird, corners really stand out and it might also be caused by monitor anti reflection cover? Should that Lenovo be “Lower quality” model than LG? Because I feel like it’s downgrade both in colours and viewing angle or there’s something wrong with my particular model?

[CTR640]

I'd like to share my experience with an OLED monitor I had, the Asus PQ22UC. It doesn't have true blacks because you can still see if the monitor is on or off in very dark room. It doesn't even have 100% unformity! I have no idea if it's caused by matte screen or not but rest assured, I returned that thing after two days. Unacceptable. It also had very noticeable latency.

 

So back to VA. My VA monitor have extremely small glow at leftcorner and pretty hard to notice it too. IPS is only good for colors but for dark and contrast, VA is the way to go. OLED? Forget about that, that's not the future and will never be and this coming from a guy that has dreamed about OLED monitors and owned one. Maybe MicroLED but that's maybe in 100 years.

 

Ah yes, forgot to mention, blue glow appeared on the OLED monitor at the sides. They weren't there when untill two days later, at the day of returning it. Only noticeable when there is white, like winter in movies, games and text writing in Office.

[uberas]

8 minutes ago, CTR640 said:

I'd like to share my experience with an OLED monitor I had, the Asus PQ22UC. It doesn't have true blacks because you can still see if the monitor is on or off in very dark room. It doesn't even have 100% unformity! I have no idea if it's caused by matte screen or not but rest assured, I returned that thing after two days. Unacceptable. It also had very noticeable latency.

 

So back to VA. My VA monitor have extremely small glow at leftcorner and pretty hard to notice it too. IPS is only good for colors but for dark and contrast, VA is the way to go. OLED? Forget about that, that's not the future and will never be and this coming from a guy that has dreamed about OLED monitors and owned one. Maybe MicroLED but that's maybe in 100 years.

 

Ah yes, forgot to mention, blue glow appeared on the OLED monitor at the sides. They weren't there when untill two days later, at the day of returning it. Only noticeable when there is white, like winter in movies, games and text writing in Office.

Well I'm also a big dreamer of OLED monitor, you just destroyed my dream...

It's so expensive at the minute, and you're beta tester.

I think Lenovo is just a cheap company, thus quality control is much worse and that's my problem then..

[CTR640]

55 minutes ago, uberas said:

Well I'm also a big dreamer of OLED monitor, you just destroyed my dream...

It's so expensive at the minute, and you're beta tester.

I think Lenovo is just a cheap company, thus quality control is much worse and that's my problem then..

Yes, I was a very huge dreamer of OLED monitors too! I was so big dreamer I took the decision to buy it. So bought it, the quality is truely amazing but these were the problems that caused me to return but also because of beta-testing. Because of the absurd price, I wasn't planning to keep it.

 

Cons:

- true blacks are not true, Asus official website says 1.000.000:1. Some webstores says 100.000:1. It is indeed more like 100.000:1 because you can see if the monitor is on or off in very dark room. Whereas OLED tv's are infinite black. I own a LG OLED tv.

- latency is very high. So playing GTA for example is not an option, the mouse reacts way too slow. Aiming is also impossible when you're used to no-input lag or a gamer.

I think it's because of the advanced features. If you have nVidia, you can reduce the latency fortunately, which I did and it helped pretty good.

- as IPS monitors has the well known "IPS Glow", this OLED monitor got Blue Glow(?) After two days blue glows started to appear at the side of the monitor. You can only see them when there is white. Not sure if it's because of RGB strips or just inherent to OLED monitors. But it's freaking annoying when you're playing games that has winter in it or movies that's in winters. It looks like transparent blue ink.

 

One very interesting thing to add: this OLED monitor is the first one that gave me headache. I have no idea why but the headache disappear when I'm not using it.

 

Pros:

Screen quality is extremely beautiful! And the viewing angles are outstanding too!! Zero ghosting too. However, 60Hz is bullshit, there is still ghosting when you move the mouse too fast. But of course, extremely big difference to non-OLED screens.

 

The acceptables:

- the blacks. When I was playing NFS Hot Pursuit 2010 and doing a race in the nights, it felt like you're actually IN the game.You can't see shit except the cars headlights and taillights when they are on and the roads. The rest are too dark like in real life. So 100.000:1 is very accepteble. But I don't like Asus their false advertising it with 1.000.000:1.

- latency. If you have nVidia, you can reduce the latency to a acceptable level.

 

The unacceptables:

- blue ink glow.

- price

 

The Asus OLED is one of the first JOLED monitors. From what I've experienced: it will take years and years to mature it

And it's very expensive indeed. So glad I could return it. But actually I wanted to try it out because we got return rights so not keeping it lol. The price is simply way too unjustified.

 

However, according to news articles, they are trying or producing gaming OLED monitors. One of them is called 'Burning Core'. Who knows when it comes out.

[uberas]

2 minutes ago, CTR640 said:

 

 

One very interesting thing to add: this OLED monitor is the first one that gave me headache. I have no idea why but the headache disappear when I'm not using it.

 

 

That might be because of LED "refresh rate" - I'm not quite sure but people say that the old bulbs are actually better for our eyes because when they're switched on they're switched on - whereas LEDs just constantly flashes. Might be wrong

[CTR640]

2 minutes ago, uberas said:

That might be because of LED "refresh rate" - I'm not quite sure but people say that the old bulbs are actually better for our eyes because when they're switched on they're switched on - whereas LEDs just constantly flashes. Might be wrong

Have no idea. I don't have that problem with LCD monitors.

[uberas]

2 minutes ago, CTR640 said:

Have no idea. I don't have that problem with LCD monitors.

Actually, my theory is not relevant since most LCD monitors have LED backlight?

[CTR640]

4 minutes ago, uberas said:

Actually, my theory is not relevant since most LCD monitors have LED backlight?

That's right.