Game/Hosting Server Help Needed

[PradyEatPC -Prady Playz-]

On 9/14/2019 at 7:56 AM, PradyEatPC -Prady Playz- said:

Hello everyone! I need help building a personal home server. Mainly for hosting games, some storage, websites, etc. I am currently living in India (dying) I moved here a month and 1/2 ago. The parts are a bit more expensive so I am sticking to in.pcpartpicker.com . Here is what I am looking for on a 200 dollar budget (14200 rupee) It is okay if I reach 15k rupees.:

i3 or r3 (Which ever is cheaper with better perf.)
16gb ram (ddr3 perferred)
500gb hdd or 250gb. I will upgrade to SSD some other time.
 

 

On 9/14/2019 at 8:08 AM, Lurick said:

For such a crazy low budget, going used is your only bet since all new CPUs use DDR4 and the cheapest 16GB kit I can find is around 1/3 of your budget alone.

The cheapest AMD build I can make breaks your budget with just 3 components:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 3 1200 3.1 GHz Quad-Core Processor	₹5200.00 @ Amazon India
Motherboard	Asus EX-A320M-GAMING Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	₹5250.00 @ Amazon India
Memory	Crucial 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory	₹2600.00 @ Amazon India
Memory	Crucial 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory	₹2600.00 @ Amazon India
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	₹15650.00
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-14 20:37 IST+0530

 

The cheapest Intel build blows your budget out of the water with the CPU alone with needed to step down to a dual core Pentium to meet the AMD build price.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i3-8100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor	₹12145.00 @ Amazon India
Motherboard	Asus PRIME H310M-C/CSM Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	₹7699.00 @ Amazon India
Memory	Crucial 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory	₹2600.00 @ Amazon India
Memory	Crucial 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory	₹2600.00 @ Amazon India
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	₹25044.00
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-14 20:38 IST+0530

 

 

20 hours ago, mariushm said:

I would recommend going with AM4, simply because you'll be able to upgrade in the future up to 16 cores (if the motherboard can also handle it)

You can start with something as low as 200ge (dual core with integrated graphics) and as you have money and processor prices go down, you can upgrade all the way to Ryzen 3rd generation or whatever will show up.

I'm not gonna suggest it though, because the difference between 200ge and Ryzen 1200 is just around 1000 INR, so you get 2 more cores but no integrated graphics for a few dollars more - you can get a video card from eBay for 5-10$ so there's no point going for 200ge unless you get it from eBay for around 40$.

 

someone above suggested A320 boards - yes, some are cheap and they'll work with Ryzen 1200, but the chances of you being able to upgrade to Ryzen 3rd gen in the future would be iffy at best... best to spend a few dollars more to go with a B450 board.

I suggest the one below, because it has some heatsinks on the VRM so it will work even with 8 or 12 core processors (if you won't overclock them) and if your budget is tight, you can start with 2x4 GB sticks and add a couple more sticks when you have more money.

 

You can replace the 2 x 1392 INR 4 GB sticks below, with 2 x 8 GB sticks for ~ 2400 INR extra (2 x 2600 - 2 x 1392 = 2416 INR).. see the suggestion above.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 3 1200 3.1 GHz Quad-Core Processor	₹5200.00 @ Amazon India
Motherboard	Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	₹6425.00 @ Amazon India
Memory	Crucial 4 GB (1 x 4 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory	₹1392.00 @ Amazon India
Memory	Crucial 4 GB (1 x 4 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory	₹1392.00 @ Amazon India
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	₹14409.00
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-15 00:42 IST+0530

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

20 hours ago, Lurick said:

I was showing that what they are asking for on that budget, brand new, is unrealistic, even if you go super cheap. I totally agree with the B450 motherboard reco though.

They also need storage AND a power supply which I didn't even bother including because I was already over their budget.

 

19 hours ago, mariushm said:

some other combos :

 

50$ + 25$ shipping:  https://www.ebay.com/itm/asus-p8h61-m-le-csm-With-I3-3220-3-3ghz-2gb-Ddr3/362749376825

 

asus p8h61-m le/csm With I3 3220 3.3ghz 2gb Ddr3

The board supports lots of sandy bridge and ivy bridge processors which can be cheap :

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/P8H61M_LECSM_R20/HelpDesk_CPU/

 

75$ + 62.4$ shipping to India : ASUS M5A78L-M/USB3 w/ AMD FX AM3+ 4300 CPU + Heatsink 8GB RAM No I/O Micro ATX

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-M5A78L-M-USB3-w-AMD-FX-AM3-4300-CPU-Heatsink-8GB-RAM-No-I-O-Micro-ATX/352732283681?epid=1143256914&hash=item52207b8321:g:-kYAAOSwxs9dOfvL

 

The seller has more than 10 boards, so it may be worth making an offer to get at least cheaper shipping ... maybe make offer for 100-110$ incl. shipping ... maybe contact him and ask to ship without heatsink, if the reduced weight makes the shipping cheaper.

It's a quad core cpu but about as fast as the i7 920 above... but you could upgrade to fx-8xxx series cpus if you want to (not that they'll be much faster)

You do get a decent cpu, good mb AND 8 GB of memory so if you don't already have DDR3 memory it would be a good deal... also has chipset with integrated graphics  (if you make a good offer and seller accepts it)

 

 

6 hours ago, mariushm said:

AMD has promised they're gonna release socket AM4 processors at least until 2020. After that they may change the socket. However, some motherboards are not guaranteed to support ALL AM4 processors.

 

A320 based motherboards have everything reduced : single memory stick per channel so maximum 2 memory sticks, fewer SATA ports, overclocking is not possible, memory is limited to something like 2666 Mhz, no heatsinks on the VRM which means you'll barely be able to use 8 core processors without the VRM overheating and throttling the CPU frequencies.

Few  A320 motherboards support the Ryzen 3xxx series and AMD doesn't require manufacturers to add support. Often, the BIOS chips are just too tiny to even add compatibility with the newly released CPUs: for example, when Ryzen 2xxx series was released, they had to remove support for pre-Zen socket AM4 processors from BIOS. Basically overall it's a really poor value.

 

The B450 chipset based motherboards cost 5-10$ more than A320 motherboards and support even the 3rd generation Ryzen processors and they'd probably even support a 4th generation if they're gonna make one.

You get 4 memory slots, you get overclocking, most have heatsinks on VRM and a VRM that can at least handle 8 and 12 core processors, and support Ryzen 3rd generation (on some motherboards were the bios was too small, they change from graphical bios to text only or grayscale only menus to reduce bios size to make it fit)

 

Basically, I'm saying a B450 board has much better value and it's stupid to save 10$ or so in Indian money with the idea that you'll pay 50$ or so for another motherboard in the future. AMD is not like Intel where they make a new chipset and/or socket every time they go a new generation, with 5-10% performance increase, you can go with a Ryzen 1200 and you can upgrade to a cpu that has around 4-5x the performance while using same motherboard

 

For a server, b450 chipset is good enough.

 

x470 boards only add ability to split the x16 slot in 2 x8 slots to do SLI or Crossfire (both are pretty much dead now) and the chipset has a few more pci-e lanes (so you'd see a third pci-e x16 slot that's pci-e 4 internally or a few more pci-e x1 slots)  and maybe a couple more SATA ports or second m.2 connector. Not worth the extra money for you.

 

x570 boards only add pci-e 4.0 support and pci-e 4.0 m.2 connectors, which you're not gonna use in a server and you're simply too poor to afford pci-e 4.0 m.2 ssds (and their 4-5GB/s transfer speeds won't help you anyway for your use, would be waste of money) or buy pci-e 4.0 video cards 2-3 years from now

x550 (or whatever it's gonna be called) will have about the same feature set as B450 boards so there's gonna be minimal motivation to go with such boards.

I have decided the parts, please tell me if they are a viable choice, and I my dad let me go over budget.
https://in.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZY8hD2

[mariushm]

You can go with cheaper cases ... i'd go with the cheapest stuff, maybe even buy something locally as probably Amazon includes shipping to India in the price, or shipping gets added.

 

You have Corsair 100R for 2856 INR if you want Amazon India : https://www.amazon.in/dp/B00RORBQNW/

 

You can get 240 GB WD Green SSD for 2500 INR: https://www.amazon.in/Western-Digital-WDS240G2G0A-240GB-Internal/dp/B076Y374ZH/

 

120 GB is fine for operating system drive ... would leave you around 40-50 GB of free space.  But 240 GB has higher endurance and transfer speeds usually and you'd be able to actually run a few games directly from SSD.

That 160 GB mechanical drive would be quite slow ... is that even SATA drive?

 

 

[PradyEatPC -Prady Playz-]

1 hour ago, mariushm said:

You can go with cheaper cases ... i'd go with the cheapest stuff, maybe even buy something locally as probably Amazon includes shipping to India in the price, or shipping gets added.

 

You have Corsair 100R for 2856 INR if you want Amazon India : https://www.amazon.in/dp/B00RORBQNW/

 

You can get 240 GB WD Green SSD for 2500 INR: https://www.amazon.in/Western-Digital-WDS240G2G0A-240GB-Internal/dp/B076Y374ZH/

 

120 GB is fine for operating system drive ... would leave you around 40-50 GB of free space.  But 240 GB has higher endurance and transfer speeds usually and you'd be able to actually run a few games directly from SSD.

That 160 GB mechanical drive would be quite slow ... is that even SATA drive?

 

 

Edit: Don't mind what I just said here if you saw it. I like those reccomendations. I prefer the case I choose as of now and I don't need to invest in a better drive as this is just a server and that is just a boot SSD. The HDD is also sata but only Sata 3GB/s

Edited September 15, 2019 by PradyEatPC -Prady Playz-
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