laptops performance changes in each wall outlet

[HummusCake]

so when i use my laptop at a desk it runs slow because of the wall socket/outlet but when i use the outlet by my bed it works totally fine. I tried using an extension socket and turns out the performance is still bad when plugging that into the outlet by my bed. What is the solution for this?

[Metallus97]

That must have to do with an other variable...

Dos it say charging when pulled into the "bad" socket? 

If it charges, it charges. There won't be a difference between the available power on the outlets and shit like this

[Turtle Rig]

6 minutes ago, Metallus97 said:

That must have to do with an other variable...

Dos it say charging when pulled into the "bad" socket? 

If it charges, it charges. There won't be a difference between the available power on the outlets and shit like this

Also you connect the power to a power surge not straight into the wall.  Power Outage will most likely break it if connected to wall.  Just get a nice 20 or 30 dollar power surge is my suggestion to you.

[HummusCake]

7 minutes ago, Metallus97 said:

That must have to do with an other variable...

Dos it say charging when pulled into the "bad" socket? 

If it charges, it charges. There won't be a difference between the available power on the outlets and shit like this

I have an alienware laptop, meaning battery stops working after a few years. So im not sure

[HummusCake]

3 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Also you connect the power to a power surge not straight into the wall.  Power Outage will most likely break it if connected to wall.  Just get a nice 20 or 30 dollar power surge is my suggestion to you.

A power surge? I will do some research on that since i got no clue what that is

 

Edit: a power surge is just a extension lead?

[Metallus97]

1 minute ago, Turtle Rig said:

Also you connect the power to a power surge not straight into the wall.  Power Outage will most likely break it if connected to wall.  Just get a nice 20 or 30 dollar power surge is my suggestion to you.

Nah... extra protection can't hurt, but

1. Those "protectors" dont protect much

2. There is no need for them. All modern laptop chargers and every other electronic device has integrated stuff to save it. Also your house/flat should also have surge protection

[HummusCake]

1 minute ago, Metallus97 said:

Nah... extra protection can't hurt, but

1. Those "protectors" dont protect much

2. There is no need for them. All modern laptop chargers and every other electronic device has integrated stuff to save it. Also your house/flat should also have surge protection

So a surge can damage outlets? like the socket i explained, that would make sense because it doesn't perform as well. I'm getting my money on tuesday so i'll pick one up

[Metallus97]

2 minutes ago, linusfanboi_skrub1 said:

A power surge? I will do some research on that since i got no clue what that is

 

Edit: a power surge is just a extension lead?

ok, I dont wanna get to much into physics, but normal devices are made for 120 or 240 V (depending on where u live. In some areas of the world it can happen, that the voltage (NOT THE POWER) goes up for a split second. This should and will trigger protective stuff in your breaker box and/or in the device itself. There are rare occasions where such a surge could kill devices due to the protective stuf being overloaded.

But (where do you live?) in like 95% of the world they NEVER happen and if then a cheap protector won't save you. They are BS!
A REALY nice sure protector used for my lab equipment is upward of 10k... ( I am a physicist working with high current physics) 

[HummusCake]

Just now, Metallus97 said:

ok, I dont wanna get to much into physics, but normal devices are made for 120 or 240 V (depending on where u live. In some areas of the world it can happen, that the voltage (NOT THE POWER) goes up for a split second. This should and will trigger protective stuff in your breaker box and/or in the device itself. There are rare occasions where such a surge could kill devices due to the protective stuf being overloaded.

But (where do you live?) in like 95% of the world they NEVER happen and if then a cheap protector won't save you. They are BS!
A REALY nice sure protector used for my lab equipment is upward of 10k... ( I am a physicist working with high current physics) 

I live in the uk, So what do you suggest i do. Im not that smart

[Metallus97]

2 minutes ago, linusfanboi_skrub1 said:

So a surge can damage outlets? like the socket i explained, that would make sense because it doesn't perform as well. I'm getting my money on tuesday so i'll pick one up

The outlet will survive MUCH more! IF, then it damages devices. But it won't happen that badly and like I told you: Those protectors cant help in the RARE event of a really high spike. If youre interested, I can explain why that is

[HummusCake]

1 minute ago, Metallus97 said:

The outlet will survive MUCH more! IF, then it damages devices. But it won't happen that badly and like I told you: Those protectors cant help in the RARE event of a really high spike. If youre interested, I can explain why that is

Yes please

[Metallus97]

Just now, linusfanboi_skrub1 said:

I live in the uk, So what do you suggest i do. Im not that smart

Uk is fine! You have a nice and stable grid! Never heard about a big surge there. Some small outages yes, like ever 10yrs, but this won't damage anything

[Turtle Rig]

2 minutes ago, Metallus97 said:

ok, I dont wanna get to much into physics, but normal devices are made for 120 or 240 V (depending on where u live. In some areas of the world it can happen, that the voltage (NOT THE POWER) goes up for a split second. This should and will trigger protective stuff in your breaker box and/or in the device itself. There are rare occasions where such a surge could kill devices due to the protective stuf being overloaded.

But (where do you live?) in like 95% of the world they NEVER happen and if then a cheap protector won't save you. They are BS!
A REALY nice sure protector used for my lab equipment is upward of 10k... ( I am a physicist working with high current physics) 

I use a Thurman Power Conditioner.  They are all big 3 prong so you can't connect a regular power with it.  But it takes care of everything the grounding and signal.  They are way expensive so I don't advise you need one, just a 20 or 30 dollar power surge and if you have say a power outage the components wont zap as a PS protects your equipment.

[HummusCake]

2 minutes ago, Metallus97 said:

Uk is fine! You have a nice and stable grid! Never heard about a big surge there. Some small outages yes, like ever 10yrs, but this won't damage anything

Oh ok

[Metallus97]

Just now, Turtle Rig said:

I use a Thurman Power Conditioner.  They are all big 3 prong so you can't connect a regular power with it.  But it takes care of everything the grounding and signal.  They are way expensive so I don't advise you need one, just a 20 or 30 dollar power surge and if you have say a power outage the components wont zap as a PS protects your equipment.

Wich one do you have? Their cheap ones are pure ripof... glorified extension cable with unicorn dust or something lol.

They won't help much more. And as I already told: There is nothing to worry about when running newer consumer stuff

[HummusCake]

1 minute ago, Turtle Rig said:

I use a Thurman Power Conditioner.  They are all big 3 prong so you can't connect a regular power with it.  But it takes care of everything the grounding and signal.  They are way expensive so I don't advise you need one, just a 20 or 30 dollar power surge and if you have say a power outage the components wont zap as a PS protects your equipment.

Is it also bad if i pull out the charger because there isnt a working battery in my laptop and it shuts of instantly

[HummusCake]

Just now, Metallus97 said:

Wich one do you have? Their cheap ones are pure ripof... glorified extension cable with unicorn dust or something lol.

They won't help much more. And as I already told: There is nothing to worry about when running newer consumer stuff

Well it was a £6.99 socket

[Turtle Rig]

2 minutes ago, Metallus97 said:

Wich one do you have? Their cheap ones are pure ripof... glorified extension cable with unicorn dust or something lol.

They won't help much more. And as I already told: There is nothing to worry about when running newer consumer stuff

 

3 minutes ago, Metallus97 said:

Wich one do you have? Their cheap ones are pure ripof... glorified extension cable with unicorn dust or something lol.

They won't help much more. And as I already told: There is nothing to worry about when running newer consumer stuff

This was I believe about 130 dollars.  Thurman is trusted among DAW users.  As I said not needed, just get the PS and you will be fine.

[Metallus97]

16 minutes ago, linusfanboi_skrub1 said:

Yes please

Alright!

Electrical power P  is measured in Wats, P = U * I

U is Voltage in Volts 

I is Current in Ampere

 

Soooo: Typical gaming box: P= 500W -> Grid is at U= 240V -> roughly I= 2Adrawn form the wall

-> 240*2 =(aprox) 500

 

ok so lets now do a big surge and say the voltage jumps to 300V (ok that's a BIG one and will never happen in the uk, but just to show things)

 

300V-240V=60V -> 60V difference for the protector to "suck up"

60V*2A=120W. The protector will have to suck up 120W in a VERRY short time AND be able to switch of the power going to your PC as fast as possible.  From PCs you know that you need a decent cooler for 120W... so this WONT be possible in a 20$ powerstrip.

 

To all fellow physics nerds: I know that is a BASIC explanation and the real dissipated energy is strongly dependent on switch of time and you cant claculate everything with P=UI, but this gives a basic idea why cheap conditioners and surge protectors  are BS.

[HummusCake]

1 minute ago, Metallus97 said:

Alright!

Electrical power P  is measured in Wats, P = U * I

U is Voltage in Volts 

I is Current in Ampere

 

Soooo: Typical gaming box: P= 500W -> Grid is at U= 240V -> roughly I= 2Adrawn form the wall

-> 240*2 =(aprox) 500

 

ok so lets now do a big surge and say the voltage jumps to 300V (ok that's a BIG one and will never happen in the uk, but just to show things)

 

300V-240V=60V -> 60V difference for the protector to "suck up"

60V*2A=120W. The protector will have to suck up 120W in a VERRY short time AND be able to switch of the power going to your PC as fast as possible.  From PCs you know that you need a decent cooler for 120W... so this WONT be possible in a 20$ powerstrip.

 

To al fellow physics nerds: I know that is a BASIC explanation and the real dissipated energy is strongly dependent on switch of time and you cant claculate everything with P=UI, but this gives a basic idea why cheap conditioners and sure protectors  are BS.

Yeah that makes sense

[Metallus97]

4 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

 

This was I believe about 130 dollars.  Thurman is trusted among DAW users.  As I said not needed, just get the PS and you will be fine.

That are the cheap ones. I know its a trusted brand and I am a musician to and I am running several furamns for my old (and irreplacable) tube amps and old mixing equipment. But in the event of something going real bad, the cheap conditioners cant help. Also the filtering is not really great on those. Well the do filter, but not in the regions, where it is important

[HummusCake]

1 minute ago, Metallus97 said:

That are the cheap ones. I know its a trusted brand and I am a musician to and I am running several furamns for my old (and irreplacable) tube amps and old mixing equipment. But in the event of something going real bad, the cheap conditioners cant help. Also the filtering is not really great on those. Well the do filter, but not in the regions, where it is important

Gotcha

[Metallus97]

But we did still not solve OPs actual question. 

Can you give us more details on what exactly is slower etc?

[Energycore]

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[HummusCake]

Just now, Energycore said:

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Thank you so much, and it's so sad you witnessed that image too