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Hello guys, next year i'll start my internship, so hopefully i'll have a bit of money to spend on a cpu upgrade.

I thought of getting a Zen2 threadripper.

 

The big problem is that i want to game at 144hz ( =high single core performance) but my second hobby is 3d modelling and rendering, which i honestly do a lot more atm. (= Many cores).

So i basically need a cpu that has at least 4ghz single core performance and has as many cores as possible.

 

I've heard rumors about the best Threadripper 30XX having 32 cores 64 threads all at 4ghz for about $1500.

 

I currently "rock" a 1600x, which is both bottlenecking my GPU (2070 super) ( even at 4k, and i want to go down to 1440p) and is lagging when sculpting a 3d model with a million vertices. (high detail model for normal map baking)

What cpu would you suggest? I am looking to spend $1500 at max for the cpu alone. I am completely open to break my tradition of only amd cpus.

 

Could the rumors about the Threadripper 30XX be right?

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Zen2 Threadripper is coming, October/November seems to be being banded around. Rumors about 32 cores at $1500 I'm not so sure about, although it is possible given that we expect them to launch a 64 core flagship that blows Intel's doors off so that might shift prices down a tad. 2990WX MSRP was $1799, so I'd expect it around those sorts of numbers. Not ruling 1500 out but I'd say it's unlikely for 32 cores. 24 cores however...that's definitely happening just under 1500 for sure. So I'd be looking at the 24 core part.

 

If I remember correctly, the 32 core leak a few days ago shows that this chip can do 4ghz..I believe it has a base of 3.6 from what we've seen, and from what I've heard from some on reddit was averaging 4.2 during tests. So the 24 core will be a nice sweetspot between multithreaded performance and single core performance.

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Genwyn said:

I would wait to see the threadripper launch first. You'd basically be looking at HEDT consumer platforms, ie Ryzen 9 or threadripper. But if you needed the single core performance more that basically means high core count intel HEDT ie 9900k, 9980XE, etc

And i wouldnt recommend buying HEDT intel right now as the current product line is a bit mediocre for the price and hopefully 10nm will come to the desktop soon

 

A Ryzen 9 3900x would be the best choice as of right now, but in the future when you upgrade that may not be true.

On top of that X570 would also support more professional features like ECC memory and some boards have u.2 and all that stuff

Not really, no. Intel HEDT CPUs have MUCH lower single-core performance than their mainstream CPUs and are on par with first gen Ryzen because Intel's multi-core interconnect, labelled Mesh, is FAR slower than Infinity Fabric and thus the Latency makes the HEDT Intel CPUs horrible in gaming and single core scenarios when compared to even the mainstream Ryzen/Intel CPUs.

 

I agree - the 3900X or 3950X would be ideal for the OP.

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5 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

Zen2 Threadripper is coming, October/November seems to be being banded around. Rumors about 32 cores at $1500 I'm not so sure about, although it is possible given that we expect them to launch a 64 core flagship that blows Intel's doors off so that might shift prices a tad. 2990WX MSRP was $1799, so I'd expect it around those sorts of numbers. Not ruling 1500 out but I'd say it's unlikely for 32 cores. 24 cores however...that's definitely happening just under 1500 for sure. So I'd be looking at the 24 core part.

 

If I remember correctly, the 32 core leak a few days ago shows that this chip can do 4ghz..I believe it has a base of 3.6 from what we've seen, and from what I've heard from some on reddit was averaging 4.2 during tests. So the 24 core will be a nice sweetspot between multithreaded performance and single core performance.

 

 

 

That's nice to hear. Would a 3x120mm aio bee sufficient to cool a TR Zen2? I really do not want to build my first custom loop around such expensive hardware.

What would you suggest?

 

It's not like i have a hard limit set at 1500. I just didn't want you guys to come up with 4000€ cpus haha.

 

7 minutes ago, Genwyn said:

I would wait to see the threadripper launch first. You'd basically be looking at HEDT consumer platforms, ie Ryzen 9 or threadripper. But if you needed the single core performance more that basically means high core count intel HEDT ie 9900k, 9980XE, etc

And i wouldnt recommend buying HEDT intel right now as the current product line is a bit mediocre for the price and hopefully 10nm will come to the desktop soon

 

A Ryzen 9 3900x would be the best choice as of right now, but in the future when you upgrade that may not be true.

On top of that X570 would also support more professional features like ECC memory and some boards have u.2 and all that stuff

 

3 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Not really, no. Intel HEDT CPUs have MUCH lower single-core performance than their mainstream CPUs and are on par with first gen Ryzen because Intel's multi-core interconnect, labelled Mesh, is FAR slower than Infinity Fabric and thus the Latency makes the HEDT Intel CPUs horrible in gaming and single core scenarios when compared to even the mainstream Ryzen/Intel CPUs.

 

I agree - the 3900X or 3950X would be ideal for the OP.

 

I have already thought about getting a 3900x. I would also imagine clock speed being more important for high-res sculpting, because my cpu does not spike in load (according to task manager), it just laggs.

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Just now, Allptraum1989 said:

That's nice to hear. Would a 3x120mm aio bee sufficient to cool a TR Zen2? I really do not want to build my first custom loop around such expensive hardware.

What would you suggest?

 

It's not like i have a hard limit set at 1500. I just didn't want you guys to come up with 4000€ cpus haha.

 

 

 

I have already thought about getting a 3900x. I would also imagine clock speed being more important for high-res sculpting, because my cpu does not spike in load (according to task manager), it just laggs.

Look at RAM and GPU usage - as well as make sure you have fast storage.

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1 minute ago, 5x5 said:

Look at RAM and GPU usage - as well as make sure you have fast storage.

I have. My gpu usage was low. Of course it was.

Ram usage was about 50% and pagefile usage was 0 aswell.

Well, i could try moving my project to my ssd. I currently have it on my hdd, because i save every few ten seconds. And since my project files are about 600mb on average, i'd imagine this chewing my ssds up like candy.

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4 minutes ago, Allptraum1989 said:

 

Also, clockspeed is not the only metric. How much work is done per Mhz is more important (also know as Instructions per Clock or IPC) - currently, AMD 3000 series have about 10% higher IPC than Intel equivalents so an AMD CPU core at 4.4GHz actually equates an Intel CPU core at 4.9GHz

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Just now, Allptraum1989 said:

I have. My gpu usage was low. Of course it was.

Ram usage was about 50% and pagefile usage was 0 aswell.

Well, i could try moving my project to my ssd. I currently have it on my hdd, because i save every few ten seconds. And since my project files are about 600mb on average, i'd imagine this chewing my ssds up like candy.

Get an MLC SSD scratch disk imo :)

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1 minute ago, Allptraum1989 said:

Good idea. I have seen 1tb models selling for about $100. Shoudl last for a few years at least.

Yep - SSDs are quite durable - you won't kill it with a few projects and it will help with your performance quite a bit :)

 

a Samsung 860 EVO SATA one should be fantastic.

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1 minute ago, 5x5 said:

Yep - SSDs are quite durable - you won't kill it with a few projects and it will help with your performance quite a bit :)

 

a Samsung 860 EVO SATA one should be fantastic.

Bought that for my moms laptop a few month ago :D 

Give me a second, imma copy my project onto my nvme to check if the performance is any better

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3 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Yep - SSDs are quite durable - you won't kill it with a few projects and it will help with your performance quite a bit :)

 

a Samsung 860 EVO SATA one should be fantastic.

 

1 minute ago, Allptraum1989 said:

Bought that for my moms laptop a few month ago :D 

Give me a second, imma copy my project onto my nvme to check if the performance is any better

nope, exactly the same

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1 minute ago, 5x5 said:

I mean, X570 boards are universally better for the most part - you get PCIe 4.0, more expansion options, better VRMs an etc.

Well, then i'll get one of those.

They don't seem to be that expensive relatively speaking

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28 minutes ago, Allptraum1989 said:

Well, then i'll get one of those.

They don't seem to be that expensive relatively speaking

Okay - we actually had a motherboard tier list somewhere on the forum but I don't have a direct link on hand. I think it's pinned in one of the sub sections.

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