Worth Upgrading?

[Skeetdogg]

I currently have an i5 4670k and wondering if it's worth upgrading to a Ryzen 2600, 3600, or 3700x are the three I'm considering.  I mostly use my pc for playing esports games (Fortnite, Overwatch, etc...) besides just surfing the web or standard productivity stuff.  My current system is like 5/6 years old.  I recently updated my power supply and graphics card to an EVGA SuperNOVA 550 G2 and a Sapphire Radeon Nitro+ Rx 580.  I'd like to get my FPS up to 144 FPS (I set most of my settings to low except for view distance).  I notice frame drops and I'm thinking the CPU is the bottleneck.  I'd really like to get a Ryzen 3600 and a Tomahawk B450 but I've been reading about issues with the bios and the Ryzen 3000.  And also the voltage issues too.  I don't want to spend extra money for power and features that I won't use.  Not sure if I would really need an x570 board.  Any recommendations would be appreciated!

[another_member]

Just now, Skeetdogg said:

I currently have an i5 4670k and wondering if it's worth upgrading to a Ryzen 2600, 3600, or 3700x are the three I'm considering.  I mostly use my pc for playing esports games (Fortnite, Overwatch, etc...) besides just surfing the web or standard productivity stuff.  My current system is like 5/6 years old.  I recently updated my power supply and graphics card to an EVGA SuperNOVA 550 G2 and a Sapphire Radeon Nitro+ Rx 580.  I'd like to get my FPS up to 144 FPS (I set most of my settings to low except for view distance).  I notice frame drops and I'm thinking the CPU is the bottleneck.  I'd really like to get a Ryzen 3600 and a Tomahawk B450 but I've been reading about issues with the bios and the Ryzen 3000.  And also the voltage issues too.  I don't want to spend extra money for power and features that I won't use.  Not sure if I would really need an x570 board.  Any recommendations would be appreciated!

I would rather get a better GPU with any money you want to spend. What's your location/budget?

[Slottr]

That would be a decent step up, so sure!

With your motherboard concerns, just wait for MSI to release the B450 Tomahawk MAX boards, it'll solve the problems you've been hearing about.

[Skeetdogg]

I'm in the USA/Iowa and I guess I'm trying to keep costs down to $500 or below, but not necessarily ruling out spending a bit more if its worth it.

[Skeetdogg]

2 minutes ago, Catchears said:

I would rather get a better GPU with any money you want to spend. What's your location/budget?

Do you think a better GPU is necessary for running Fortnite, Overwatch, CSGO?  I didn't think these games were very demanding.  When I look at performance monitor it appears my GPU is usually running at like 40% whereas I believe my CPU is running a bit higher, 60-80%.  I'd have to re-run to be sure but I'm pretty sure that where about it was running at.

[EL02]

That's not a bad combo i5 4760k with rx 580. I dont see why your system bottlenecks. Maybe you have thermal issues?

[5x5]

20 minutes ago, Skeetdogg said:

I currently have an i5 4670k and wondering if it's worth upgrading to a Ryzen 2600, 3600, or 3700x are the three I'm considering.  I mostly use my pc for playing esports games (Fortnite, Overwatch, etc...) besides just surfing the web or standard productivity stuff.  My current system is like 5/6 years old.  I recently updated my power supply and graphics card to an EVGA SuperNOVA 550 G2 and a Sapphire Radeon Nitro+ Rx 580.  I'd like to get my FPS up to 144 FPS (I set most of my settings to low except for view distance).  I notice frame drops and I'm thinking the CPU is the bottleneck.  I'd really like to get a Ryzen 3600 and a Tomahawk B450 but I've been reading about issues with the bios and the Ryzen 3000.  And also the voltage issues too.  I don't want to spend extra money for power and features that I won't use.  Not sure if I would really need an x570 board.  Any recommendations would be appreciated!

Check for thermal issues first. Also, if you have a Z series board and a good cooler, overclock.

[Tom H]

44 minutes ago, Slottr said:

That would be a decent step up, so sure!

With your motherboard concerns, just wait for MSI to release the B450 Tomahawk MAX boards, it'll solve the problems you've been hearing about.

The new version of the bios for B450 Tomahawk is solving a lot of the issues posting, booting, "red LED cpu debug light on" problems so it may be worth checking reddit or similar to see

 

I personally have 2 x MSI B450 Pro Carbon ACs paired with a 3600x and a 3700x. On the initial version 17 bios, I experienced some weird startup behavior, however, MSI's latest version 18 bios has fixed everything for me so i have no issues recommending this board with the new 3rd gen ryzen now

 

I believe they applied similar fixes to the B450 tomahawk bios so it may be worth investigating

[Tom H]

40 minutes ago, Skeetdogg said:

I currently have an i5 4670k and wondering if it's worth upgrading to a Ryzen 2600, 3600, or 3700x are the three I'm considering.  I mostly use my pc for playing esports games (Fortnite, Overwatch, etc...) besides just surfing the web or standard productivity stuff.  My current system is like 5/6 years old.  I recently updated my power supply and graphics card to an EVGA SuperNOVA 550 G2 and a Sapphire Radeon Nitro+ Rx 580.  I'd like to get my FPS up to 144 FPS (I set most of my settings to low except for view distance).  I notice frame drops and I'm thinking the CPU is the bottleneck.  I'd really like to get a Ryzen 3600 and a Tomahawk B450 but I've been reading about issues with the bios and the Ryzen 3000.  And also the voltage issues too.  I don't want to spend extra money for power and features that I won't use.  Not sure if I would really need an x570 board.  Any recommendations would be appreciated!

i upgraded my wife from an overclocked i5 3570k to a ryzen 3600x. The difference is night and day. Her games are much smoother now. With the intel i5, there were frame drops in busy moments of games which led to stuttery moments. You don't see the stutter anymore with the ryzen.

 

the i5 3570k is one generation behind the i5 4670k so they are similar architecturally and speed wise

[Skeetdogg]

28 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Check for thermal issues first. Also, if you have a Z series board and a good cooler, overclock.

Like I said my system is 5/6 years old.  The motherboard I'm using is MSI Z87-G41 PC Mate.  I know that's using DDR3 RAM.  I'm currently not overclocking and just using stock cooler.  Never really tried troubleshooting thermal issues.  Do you have a recommended utility to use?

[EL02]

1 minute ago, Tom H said:

i upgraded my wife from an overclocked i5 3570k to a ryzen 3600x. The difference is night and day. Her games are much smoother now. With the intel i5, there were frame drops in busy moments of games which led to stuttery moments. You don't see the stutter anymore with the ryzen.

 

the i5 3570k is one generation behind the i5 4670k so they are similar architecturally and speed wise

Yes, you are right, but since he is setting everything to low except viewing distance, he still should get good performance even with that system. (He can set everything to mid and still be okay). What gpu were you using?

[Skeetdogg]

12 minutes ago, Tom H said:

The new version of the bios for B450 Tomahawk is solving a lot of the issues posting, booting, "red LED cpu debug light on" problems so it may be worth checking reddit or similar to see

 

I personally have 2 x MSI B450 Pro Carbon ACs paired with a 3600x and a 3700x. On the initial version 17 bios, I experienced some weird startup behavior, however, MSI's latest version 18 bios has fixed everything for me so i have no issues recommending this board with the new 3rd gen ryzen now

 

I believe they applied similar fixes to the B450 tomahawk bios so it may be worth investigating

Sounds promising!  Thanks!

[Skeetdogg]

4 minutes ago, Tom H said:

i upgraded my wife from an overclocked i5 3570k to a ryzen 3600x. The difference is night and day. Her games are much smoother now. With the intel i5, there were frame drops in busy moments of games which led to stuttery moments. You don't see the stutter anymore with the ryzen.

 

the i5 3570k is one generation behind the i5 4670k so they are similar architecturally and speed wise

This is exactly what I'm seeing.  For the most part it manages to keep up with the frame rate, whether i limit it to 60FPS or 144FPS.  But in busy, fact paced moments it'll drop pretty badly.

[5x5]

3 minutes ago, Skeetdogg said:

Like I said my system is 5/6 years old.  The motherboard I'm using is MSI Z87-G41 PC Mate.  I know that's using DDR3 RAM.  I'm currently not overclocking and just using stock cooler.  Never really tried troubleshooting thermal issues.  Do you have a recommended utility to use?

Use HWiNFO. Also, get a 50$ cooler, overclock and save money.

[EL02]

8 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Use HWiNFO. Also, get a 50$ cooler, overclock and save money.

If that doesnt work, could it be that the psu is bad and cant deliver enough power to the gpu? Just asking.

[5x5]

Just now, EL02 said:

If that doesnt work, could it be that the psu is bad and cant deliver enough power to the gpu? Just asking.

No. A bad power supply would result in shutdowns and restarts

[Skeetdogg]

1 hour ago, 5x5 said:

Use HWiNFO. Also, get a 50$ cooler, overclock and save money.

Thank you for the suggestion!  I definitely don't want to spend the extra money if you don't think there's a need to.  I'll use this utility to help me troubleshoot any thermal issues.

[Dedayog]

1 hour ago, 5x5 said:

Use HWiNFO. Also, get a 50$ cooler, overclock and save money.

This.  Should be able to hit 4.4/4.5GHz on that CPU.  Then if that doesn't give you what you want... Ryzen 5 3600 + B450 Tomahawk + 16GB 3600MHz RAM should do the trick.

 

Then save up for an Ultrawide monitor and a GPU to push it

 

[Tom H]

On 8/7/2019 at 12:22 PM, EL02 said:

Yes, you are right, but since he is setting everything to low except viewing distance, he still should get good performance even with that system. (He can set everything to mid and still be okay). What gpu were you using?

my wife is using a 1070 TI

[Skeetdogg]

On 8/7/2019 at 11:26 AM, 5x5 said:

Use HWiNFO. Also, get a 50$ cooler, overclock and save money.

So I finally tested with HWiNFO and it doesn't look like there's a thermal issue.  For example I opened up Fortnite and capped my FPS at 144FPS and then started to play.  For the most part the pc keeps up with around 144FPS but in certain busy scenes it'll drop down to as low as ~40 to 60FPS for a split second and but more commonly it'll randomly dip down to 90 or 100FPS.  If i go check HWiNFO the max temp I see across all cores is around 60C - 65C.  Is it common to get random drops during gameplay?  Or should my pc be keeping the FPS around a constant 144FPS at all times?