help with pc

[Kurikaeshi]

Hello i would really want a balls to the wall pc and i think i found some pretty bang for the buck items heres the list

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i7-9700K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$361.90 @ OutletPC
CPU Cooler	NZXT Kraken X62 Liquid CPU Cooler	$197.43 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO WIFI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$189.99 @ Amazon
Memory	Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$99.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$89.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Samsung 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$129.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	Zotac GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB Video Card	$449.99 @ Amazon
Case	NZXT H500 ATX Mid Tower Case	$87.99 @ B&H
Power Supply	EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$99.89 @ OutletPC
Operating System	Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit	$105.89 @ OutletPC
Keyboard	Corsair K68 RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard	$87.50 @ Amazon
Mouse	Kingston HyperX Pulsefire Surge Wired Optical Mouse	$49.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1990.54
	Mail-in rebates	-$40.00
	Total	$1950.54
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-29 15:00 EDT-0400

+ an MSI Optix MAG271CQR monitor.

please let me know if this is good for the money or if i'm bad at doing this :))))

 

btw this is 2 938 where i live

[Dedayog]

Where do you live?  Why not use a region basis on PC Part Picker?

 

AMD has a more balls to the wall setup. The 9700K + 2070 isn't a balls to the wall level machine anymore.

[Sylvie]

aren't "balls to the wall" and "bang for your buck" oxymorons?

[Syfes]

14 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

Where do you live?  Why not use a region basis on PC Part Picker?

 

AMD has a more balls to the wall setup. The 9700K + 2070 isn't a balls to the wall level machine anymore.

Depends on what he plans to run. This setup is perfect for high framerate FPS gaming. Considering he's got a 1440p 144Hz freesync/g-syng compatible monitor on there, I guess that's where he's going. And in this situation, a setup with the 9700K  at 5.1GHz can still run circles around a 3900X build.

[Dedayog]

3 minutes ago, Syfes said:

Depends on what he plans to run. This setup is perfect for high framerate FPS gaming. Considering he's got a 1440p 144Hz freesync/g-syng compatible monitor on there, I guess that's where he's going. And in this situation, a setup with the 9700K  at 5.1GHz can still run circles around a 3900X build.

Yeah, it's mid-high end. 

 

I guess I just define balls to the wall differently.  

[5x5]

9 minutes ago, Syfes said:

Depends on what he plans to run. This setup is perfect for high framerate FPS gaming. Considering he's got a 1440p 144Hz freesync/g-syng compatible monitor on there, I guess that's where he's going. And in this situation, a setup with the 9700K  at 5.1GHz can still run circles around a 3900X build.

No? Which planet do you live on? The 9700K needs 5GHz to compensate for its lower IPC compared to Zen2 - not to mention that it's still barely 4-5% faster in some games and loses in others to even a 3700X - and at 1440p, the 9700K basically loses in every scenario to a 3700X since the GPU becomes the bottleneck. Please stop spreading wrong information.

[5x5]

@Kurikaeshiget a Ryzen 7 3700X and a B450 Tomahawk. It runs cooler, uses less power and performs better than the 9700K. Used the saved money to get a 2070 Super or RX 5700 XT. Both are notably faster than the 2070.

[Syfes]

1 minute ago, 5x5 said:

No? Which planet do you live on? The 9700K needs 5GHz to compensate for its lower IPC compared to Zen2 - not to mention that it's still barely 4-5% faster in some games and loses in others to even a 3700X - and at 1440p, the 9700K basically loses in every scenario to a 3700X since the GPU becomes the bottleneck. Please stop spreading wrong information.

I'm not? If you check most sources that have benchmarked the ryzen 3000 chips against 9700k / 9900k overclocked, then literally 90% of games will hit 5-10% higher framerates on Intel. With that AIO he should be able to hit a solid 5GHz if not 5.1GHz on that CPU easily.

 

Sure, GPU wise I can't really argue... then again even at 1440p, a 2070 will run most competitive FPS titles at 144Hz no sweat, unless you absolutely need your ultra graphics. Even my old 1070 maintains a solid 165Hz in Overwatch, Fortnite, Apex, etc... at medium to high settings.

[5x5]

Just now, Syfes said:

I'm not? If you check most sources that have benchmarked the ryzen 3000 chips against 9700k / 9900k overclocked, then literally 90% of games will hit 5-10% higher framerates on Intel. With that AIO he should be able to hit a solid 5GHz if not 5.1GHz on that CPU easily.

 

Sure, GPU wise I can't really argue... then again even at 1440p, a 2070 will run most competitive FPS titles at 144Hz no sweat, unless you absolutely need your ultra graphics. Even my old 1070 maintains a solid 165Hz in Overwatch, Fortnite, Apex, etc... at medium to high settings.

Thing is - that's at 1080p with 400$ boards that can handle the 200W that the 9th gen CPUs pull above 5GHz - with his board, I'd say 4.9-5 is what he can hope for - its VRMs are mediocre. ANd at 1440p, the 3700X and 9700K will game the same but for anything else, the 3700X is about 30% faster due to SMT.

[Syfes]

1 minute ago, 5x5 said:

Thing is - that's at 1080p with 400$ boards that can handle the 200W that the 9th gen CPUs pull above 5GHz - with his board, I'd say 4.9-5 is what he can hope for - its VRMs are mediocre. ANd at 1440p, the 3700X and 9700K will game the same but for anything else, the 3700X is about 30% faster due to SMT.

Let's agree to disagree and leave it there  

[Nyoono]

22 hours ago, Syfes said:

I'm not? If you check most sources that have benchmarked the ryzen 3000 chips against 9700k / 9900k overclocked, then literally 90% of games will hit 5-10% higher framerates on Intel. With that AIO he should be able to hit a solid 5GHz if not 5.1GHz on that CPU easily.

 

Sure, GPU wise I can't really argue... then again even at 1440p, a 2070 will run most competitive FPS titles at 144Hz no sweat, unless you absolutely need your ultra graphics. Even my old 1070 maintains a solid 165Hz in Overwatch, Fortnite, Apex, etc... at medium to high settings.

So you’re saying if he gets the 2070 and runs it at 1440p and 144hz it will be good but If at ultra settings it will be kinda bad? Another statement if choosing the 2070 super will it improve and make it better and running ultra or even the 2080 will that help it.

very interested in this conversation

[Guest]

On 7/29/2019 at 8:43 PM, 5x5 said:

Thing is - that's at 1080p with 400$ boards that can handle the 200W that the 9th gen CPUs pull above 5GHz - with his board, I'd say 4.9-5 is what he can hope for - its VRMs are mediocre. 

Where did you get that info from ? The Gigabyte Z390 Aorus boards have rock solid VRM's. Even the entry level Z390 UD can handle a 9900K with a decent overclock. Any of the Aorus boards can handle 5GHz+ on a 9900K.

 

I would agree that Ryzen is the way to go though.

[5x5]

1 minute ago, lee32uk said:

Where did you get that info from ? The Gigabyte Z390 Aorus boards have rock solid VRM's. Even the entry level Z390 UD can handle a 9900K with a decent overclock. Any of the Aorus boards can handle 5GHz+ on a 9900K.

 

I would agree that Ryzen is the way to go though.

Local reviewers (HWBG to be specific) did some testing - a lot of Z370 and Z390 boards have trouble sustaining performance for long periods - the thermals tend to enter a runaway scenario after an hour or two since the cooling potential of the heatsinks is not enough. The result is clockspeeds going down rapidly to about 4.2-4.4 on the i7/i9s

[Guest]

Just now, 5x5 said:

Local reviewers (HWBG to be specific) did some testing - a lot of Z370 and Z390 boards have trouble sustaining performance for long periods - the thermals tend to enter a runaway scenario after an hour or two since the cooling potential of the heatsinks is not enough. The result is clockspeeds going down rapidly to about 4.2-4.4 on the i7/i9s

The heatsink is kind of irrelevant though if you have a good enough VRM in the first place. A crap VRM can be made better by slapping a huge heatsink on it. A solid or overkill VRM can basically run with a lesser or even no heatsink i.e The Z390 Aorus Xtreme could handle a 9900K even if you removed the heatsink.

 

Review below has a 9900K at 5.2GHz on an Z390 Aorus Pro. The VRM coped fine. 

 

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8833/gigabyte-z390-aorus-pro-intel-motherboard-review/index7.html

 

Also go and watch Buildzoid on Youtube as he goes over Gigabyte Z390 boards and the VRM. 

[VEXICUS]

On 7/30/2019 at 12:31 AM, Kurikaeshi said:

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I'll recommend something like this instead...

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($329.00 @ B&H) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($89.95 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($199.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($77.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Intel 660p Series 2.048 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($181.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB BLACK GAMING Video Card  ($723.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($83.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: BitFenix Formula Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  ($75.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($106.99 @ Other World Computing) 
Keyboard: Corsair K68 Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($61.74 @ Amazon) 
Mouse: Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum Wired Optical Mouse  ($34.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1966.50
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-31 06:56 EDT-0400

[Syfes]

On 7/30/2019 at 8:31 PM, Nyoono said:

So you’re saying if he gets the 2070 and runs it at 1440p and 144hz it will be good but If at ultra settings it will be kinda bad? Another statement if choosing the 2070 super will it improve and make it better and running ultra or even the 2080 will that help it.

very interested in this conversation

Of course? If you have the budget to splurge, a better graphics card will get you better performance, that's a given.

 

However it all depends on the games you play and your budget. Do you want to play beautiful RPG's at 4K with ultra settings at 30fps? You're better off investing in a high-end graphics card and not to splurge on the CPU. Or do you want to play FPS titles in 1080p with high framerates? Invest in a high-end CPU and settle for a mid-range GPU.

 

Let's say you have $800 to spend on a CPU and GPU (let's ignore the rest of the system for the sake of simplification): at this budget you could either get a Ryzen 5 2600 with an RTX 2080 or you could get a Core i7 9700K with an RTX 2070. Both combinations are perfectly reasonable choices, they just serve another purpose.