Ryzen ram choice,please help

[Optimusgrime]

hey everyone, its new build time and sticking with a ryzen build.

been shopping around and getting deals but im abit lost and got confused on the ram i most likely be needing.

bought a asus b450-f motherboard and looking to buy trident z 16gb 3000mhz ram and been discouraged as read about ram needing to be overclocked and changing settings to which im turning my nose at because have no previous knowledge, so anyhelp welcome and/or any products people have had good experience with tia as always.

[nick name]

I would buy as close to 3600MHz RAM as you can afford.  

[Optimusgrime]

2 minutes ago, nick name said:

I would buy as close to 3600MHz RAM as you can afford.  

im guessing in a dual configuration over a single dimm? also is there a huge difference between 8gb and 16gb if both 3600mhz do you know ?

[boey]

5 minutes ago, Optimusgrime said:

im guessing in a dual configuration over a single dimm? also is there a huge difference between 8gb and 16gb if both 3600mhz do you know ?

Always always always get at least 2 sticks of RAM. Saving like $5 and going for a single dimm is just about the cheapest way to screw up your performance. So 16GB would be 2 8GB sticks, 8GB would be 2 4GB sticks.

 

As for capacity, many games take over 8GB of RAM(even for me CS:GO, running 1920x1440 at lowest settings)

I'd only recommend 2x4GB on a tight budget. Everything else should be 2x8GB minimum(for gaming 2x8GB is all you need)

[nick name]

5 minutes ago, Optimusgrime said:

im guessing in a dual configuration over a single dimm? also is there a huge difference between 8gb and 16gb if both 3600mhz do you know ?

You want to run at least 2 sticks for dual channel.  If you can only afford 8GB of RAM then that's enough for most things, but many folks would encourage 16GB.  It won't impact speed if you are talking about dual channel for either capacity kit.  

[Optimusgrime]

2 minutes ago, _d0nut said:

Always always always get at least 2 sticks of RAM. Saving like $5 and going for a single dimm is just about the cheapest way to screw up your performance. So 16GB would be 2 8GB sticks, 8GB would be 2 4GB sticks.

 

As for capacity, many games take over 8GB of RAM(even for me CS:GO, running 1920x1440 at lowest settings)

I'd only recommend 2x4GB on a tight budget. Everything else should be 2x8GB minimum(for gaming 2x8GB is all you need)

Thankyou thats ace, good to know and only going for 1080p gaming atm as guna get 16gigs of 3600 ram but gotta save on the gpu, and for the ram you recon il have any problems or have to change settings ?

[boey]

1 minute ago, Optimusgrime said:

Thankyou thats ace, good to know and only going for 1080p gaming atm as guna get 16gigs of 3600 ram but gotta save on the gpu, and for the ram you recon il have any problems or have to change settings ?

What's your budget? Might be better for us to help with the entire build to ensure you're not going overkill on certain parts and skimping on other important parts.

 

RAM shouldn't have an issue, just turn on XMP in the BIOS and it should run as advertised

[Optimusgrime]

ok cool i have a list already and have things local to me im buying heres the list in GBP..

 

Thermaltake p5 £55 FB
Corsair vengeance rgb  black pro 16gb 3600mhz £145 CCL
Msi rx 570 4gb £120 CCL
asus rog b450-f mobo and ryzen5 2600 £240 CCL
Corsair h100i v2 aio £55 FB
Evga 500br psu £41 CCL

[Optimusgrime]

26 minutes ago, _d0nut said:

What's your budget? Might be better for us to help with the entire build to ensure you're not going overkill on certain parts and skimping on other important parts.

 

RAM shouldn't have an issue, just turn on XMP in the BIOS and it should run as advertised

ok cool i have a list already and have things local to me im buying heres the list in GBP..

 

Thermaltake p5 £55 FB
Corsair vengeance rgb  black pro 16gb 3600mhz £145 CCL
Msi rx 570 4gb £120 CCL
asus rog b450-f mobo and ryzen5 2600 £240 CCL
Corsair h100i v2 aio £55 FB
Evga 500br psu £41 CCL

[nick name]

Do you need RGB RAM?  I've seen some awesome deals on the Viper Steel 4400CL19 kits.  If you can find one then I would snag that instead because its Samsung b-die and you can run it at better timings.  

[Optimusgrime]

28 minutes ago, nick name said:

Do you need RGB RAM?  I've seen some awesome deals on the Viper Steel 4400CL19 kits.  If you can find one then I would snag that instead because its Samsung b-die and you can run it at better timings.  

nah dont need rgb just prices are soo close on items thought may aswell, but ive had a shop around and got a different parts in mind now.

 

thermaltake p3 £55
hyperx predator 3200 16gb £85
asus rog strix rx580 £190
asus b450-f and ryzen5 2600 £235
corsair h100i v2 £55 
evga 500br £41

work in progress...

[boey]

5 hours ago, nick name said:

Do you need RGB RAM?  I've seen some awesome deals on the Viper Steel 4400CL19 kits.  If you can find one then I would snag that instead because its Samsung b-die and you can run it at better timings.  

Running 4400CL19 gives you higher latency than 3600CL16. Anything above 3733 on Ryzen 3000 means the memory speed is effectively halved to compensate.

[nick name]

45 minutes ago, _d0nut said:

Running 4400CL19 gives you higher latency than 3600CL16. Anything above 3733 on Ryzen 3000 means the memory speed is effectively halved to compensate.

No, no.  I don't want him to run them at 4400MHz.  I recommended the kit because of its price and that's it's b-die.  What I would encourage is running that kit at around 3600MHz ~ 3733MHz with tighter timings.  Hopefully 14-14-14-14.  

[Oalei]

7 hours ago, Optimusgrime said:

asus rog b450-f mobo and ryzen5 2600 £240 CCL

any other combo?

6 hours ago, Optimusgrime said:

evga 500br £41

any other PSU?

 

6 hours ago, Optimusgrime said:

corsair h100i v2 £55 

its a actually at a good price? maybe something like a Dark rock pro 4, NH-D15, some thermalright macho stuff so it cost less

 

6 hours ago, Optimusgrime said:

asus rog strix rx580 £190

what abouy GTX 1660 if the price difference is like 10 get the 1660 IMO.

[Optimusgrime]

5 hours ago, Oalei said:

any other combo?

any other PSU?

 

its a actually at a good price? maybe something like a Dark rock pro 4, NH-D15, some thermalright macho stuff so it cost less

 

what abouy GTX 1660 if the price difference is like 10 get the 1660 IMO.

the mobo because its sexy looking on a p3 case, cpu as its in the deal, psu not found one close as it jumps up £20,ive been looking for a 1660 but price increases too much for me right now and yeah the aio is £55 posted brand new local to me so be getting tht

[Optimusgrime]

5 hours ago, nick name said:

No, no.  I don't want him to run them at 4400MHz.  I recommended the kit because of its price and that's it's b-die.  What I would encourage is running that kit at around 3600MHz ~ 3733MHz with tighter timings.  Hopefully 14-14-14-14.  

hi there im a little lost, so am i looking for a high CL and what timings am i looking out for ?

[ZXR]

11 hours ago, Optimusgrime said:

nah dont need rgb just prices are soo close on items thought may aswell, but ive had a shop around and got a different parts in mind now.

 

thermaltake p3 £55
hyperx predator 3200 16gb £85
asus rog strix rx580 £190
asus b450-f and ryzen5 2600 £235
corsair h100i v2 £55 
evga 500br £41

work in progress...

Much better, but be aware that you can find GTX 1070s and vega 56s for around £200 on ebay and stuff. Even an EVGA SC2 GTX 1070 can be had used for £200 pretty easily and its a great card.

[Oalei]

1 hour ago, Optimusgrime said:

the mobo because its sexy looking on a p3 case, cpu as its in the deal, psu not found one close as it jumps up £20,ive been looking for a 1660 but price increases too much for me right now and yeah the aio is £55 posted brand new local to me so be getting tht

Well it's good enough tbh nothing to fret about.

[nick name]

10 hours ago, Optimusgrime said:

hi there im a little lost, so am i looking for a high CL and what timings am i looking out for ?

Oh, no.  You want a low CL.  So even on a high speed kit you want the lowest CL possible.  The reason why I recommended the high speed kit is so that you can reduce the speed which almost always means you can also reduce the CL.  So if you get that kit you may not be able to run its XMP profile and you'll have to tune the kit manually.  It isn't terribly difficult though.  

 

In this scenario we will taking a 4400MHz CL 19 kit and reducing the speed down to around 3600MHz to run it at CL 14.  Or if you go with a new Ryzen 3000 CPU then hopefully 3733MHz with CL14.  Higher than 3600MHz on Ryzen 2000 is highly unlikely and on a Ryzen 3000 CPU it's said to be very likely, but then you have to slow down the speed of the CPU's interconnect speeds at a 2:1 ratio when going past 3733MHz.  So your RAM would run at 3733MHz while the CPU interconnect speed would be half of that at 1867MHz.    

[Optimusgrime]

On 7/3/2019 at 6:12 PM, nick name said:

Oh, no.  You want a low CL.  So even on a high speed kit you want the lowest CL possible.  The reason why I recommended the high speed kit is so that you can reduce the speed which almost always means you can also reduce the CL.  So if you get that kit you may not be able to run its XMP profile and you'll have to tune the kit manually.  It isn't terribly difficult though.  

 

In this scenario we will taking a 4400MHz CL 19 kit and reducing the speed down to around 3600MHz to run it at CL 14.  Or if you go with a new Ryzen 3000 CPU then hopefully 3733MHz with CL14.  Higher than 3600MHz on Ryzen 2000 is highly unlikely and on a Ryzen 3000 CPU it's said to be very likely, but then you have to slow down the speed of the CPU's interconnect speeds at a 2:1 ratio when going past 3733MHz.  So your RAM would run at 3733MHz while the CPU interconnect speed would be half of that at 1867MHz.    

sorry for alte response but thankyou very much been watching videos n stuff whilst on my work breaks and got confused  thankyou for the knowledge bomb