Low FPS, issues with hardware or bottlenecking?

[yourecute]

PC Specs;

Windows 10 - 64 Bit

Intel Core i7 3770 (3.50 GHz)

16GB DDR3 Ram

ASUSTeK Maximus V GENE Motherboard

1080ti Nvidia Graphics card

XG270HU 1440 144hz monitor

ASUS VP278 1080p 60hz monitor

 

So I've checked SPECCY, Perfmon /Report and SFC Scan and apparently I have no hardware issues or overheating, but anyways for example when I'm playing a game like League of Legends (Which isn't very demanding; all my settings are on ultra) I'm not getting as good as FPS as I should be. I recently purchased a 1440-144hz monitor last month and since then I've had issues. Before on League I'd have a steady 300-350 FPS and in team fights or with lots of animations 150-250 now I'm sitting between 100-175 normally and sometimes during fights I drop down to 60 FPS which shouldn't be happening with a 1080ti. I've monitored my Task Manager while in fights and have been trying to see if there's an issue there. When I'm getting the 60 FPS and having it freeze for like half a second my GPU is only around 25-30% utilization and it says my CPU is at 60-75%. Do you think I might have a bottleneck? Is there any hardware you recommend me upgrading or anything I can do to find the issue because I shouldn't even be dropping below 144fps with my 1080ti. Thanks!

[Derrk]

its not a bottleneck. were you using a 1440p monitor before? 

[yourecute]

Just now, Derrk said:

its not a bottleneck. were you using a 1440p monitor before? 

Nah I was using a 1080p 60hz monitor before and I never had any issues. But now I'm having some, I don't know why I'd be dropping low as 55-60fps on league with a 1080ti,

[yourecute]

Also when I stream on twitch it's even worse and it feels so clunky. But that only happens when using OBS and streaming, other than that just the FPS issue. Happens in World of Warcraft too. Sitting at a constant 40-50FPS but I also have everything on ultra besides view distance. Any upgrades I should consider then if I'm not bottlenecked? Besides my GPU.

[Derrk]

28 minutes ago, yourecute said:

Nah I was using a 1080p 60hz monitor before and I never had any issues. But now I'm having some, I don't know why I'd be dropping low as 55-60fps on league with a 1080ti,

some AAA games may bottleneck, but you'll know it's bottlenecked if your cpu is around 100% usage. typically increasing your resolution from 1080 to 1440 will cause you to lose fps, but your monitor can only output 144 fps so i wouldn't worry about being below 300. For instances where LoL drops to 60, i'd assume that might be an internet bandwidth / server issue. I'm not sure what the exact issue would be, but it doesn't sound like a hardware issue

[yourecute]

31 minutes ago, Derrk said:

some AAA games may bottleneck, but you'll know it's bottlenecked if your cpu is around 100% usage. typically increasing your resolution from 1080 to 1440 will cause you to lose fps, but your monitor can only output 144 fps so i wouldn't worry about being below 300. For instances where LoL drops to 60, i'd assume that might be an internet bandwidth / server issue. I'm not sure what the exact issue would be, but it doesn't sound like a hardware issue

why would i be getting such low fps with a 1080ti then? 60fps in league is bad with a 1080; and im always below 144fps usually

[Derrk]

1 minute ago, yourecute said:

why would i be getting such low fps with a 1080ti then? 60fps in league is bad with a 1080; and im always below 144fps usually

you can try lowering settings, but if the only variable is a new monitor, most likely pushing to 1440p is causing your issues

[yourecute]

1 minute ago, Derrk said:

you can try lowering settings, but if the only variable is a new monitor, most likely pushing to 1440p is causing your issues

do you think a new cpu, mother board or ram would help? 

[Derrk]

Just now, yourecute said:

do you think a new cpu, mother board or ram would help? 

yes, but that's a fairly expensive upgrade

[yourecute]

Just now, Derrk said:

yes, but that's a fairly expensive upgrade

i just dont get why id be getting anything under 60fps though with a 1080ti lol. its the monitor? my gpu is only outputting like 25-30% when im getting 60fps 

[Derrk]

1 minute ago, yourecute said:

i just dont get why id be getting anything under 60fps though with a 1080ti lol. its the monitor? my gpu is only outputting like 25-30% when im getting 60fps 

its most likely a combination of monitor, internet & lastly cpu. I'm surprised myself that you're getting such low frames and cpu isn't maxed out. 1440p is about 75% more pixels than 1080 so it makes sense that you'd lose fps. 60s could be understandable for your 1% lows, but it sounds like you experience that more often than 1% of the time.

 

as far as your streaming question, i've never streamed and i'm not too familiar with the technicalities 

[yourecute]

2 minutes ago, Derrk said:

its most likely a combination of monitor, internet & lastly cpu. I'm surprised myself that you're getting such low frames and cpu isn't maxed out. 1440p is about 75% more pixels than 1080 so it makes sense that you'd lose fps. 60s could be understandable for your 1% lows, but it sounds like you experience that more often than 1% of the time.

 

as far as your streaming question, i've never streamed and i'm not too familiar with the technicalities 

i have 150mbps upload and download i dont think internet is an issue maybe ill try and get a new cpu or motherboard since mine are both from 2012. i just want to be able to be above 144fps constantly and i thought have a 1080ti would do that, especially for league 

[Derrk]

Just now, yourecute said:

i have 150mbps upload and download i dont think internet is an issue maybe ill try and get a new cpu or motherboard since mine are both from 2012. i just want to be able to be above 144fps constantly and i thought have a 1080ti would do that, especially for league 

could also be a server issue, unless its a consistent problem. I'd recommend looking into the ryzen 3000 series if you do plan to upgrade. The ryzen 2000 series will also probably drop significantly in price if you're on a tighter budget

[LogicalDrm]

Try rolling back few updates on GPU. Unless you are constantly playing newest games, you don't really need to update GPU drivers. Optimization is made for games once they launch, or if AAA game receives major graphics patch.

[Paul Rudd]

13 hours ago, yourecute said:

When I'm getting the 60 FPS and having it freeze for like half a second my GPU is only around 25-30% utilization and it says my CPU is at 60-75%. Do you think I might have a bottleneck? Is there any hardware you recommend me upgrading or anything I can do to find the issue because I shouldn't even be dropping below 144fps with my 1080ti.

You are bottle-necked by your CPU's single-thread performance in League of Legends. You could upgrade your CPU to the best CPU money can buy but you will still be bottle-necked in League of Legends. However, a CPU upgrade might get you much higher fps and keep you above say, 100-120(possibly more) fps in 1440p instead of 60-80 fps in those moments you described above and the freezing you speak of may cease to exist. Not worth it imo because even if you can get 300 fps, your monitor only portrays 144 fps max. And...

13 hours ago, yourecute said:

I also have everything on ultra

You could choose to lower certain graphic settings to get similar results that a CPU upgrade would do at the cost of slightly lower visuals. It's tough to want to have to do that with an i7/1080Ti but that's the reality of using that kind of hardware on a decade old game. You could optimize your PC for gaming in multiple ways to get rid of any freezing you may be experiencing, among other benefits. But expect that to be a much longer process than just tweaking a few graphic settings.

[yourecute]

7 hours ago, Dr. Historic Low said:

You are bottle-necked by your CPU's single-thread performance in League of Legends. You could upgrade your CPU to the best CPU money can buy but you will still be bottle-necked in League of Legends. However, a CPU upgrade might get you much higher fps and keep you above say, 100-120(possibly more) fps in 1440p instead of 60-80 fps in those moments you described above and the freezing you speak of may cease to exist. Not worth it imo because even if you can get 300 fps, your monitor only portrays 144 fps max. And...

You could choose to lower certain graphic settings to get similar results that a CPU upgrade would do at the cost of slightly lower visuals. It's tough to want to have to do that with an i7/1080Ti but that's the reality of using that kind of hardware on a decade old game. You could optimize your PC for gaming in multiple ways to get rid of any freezing you may be experiencing, among other benefits. But expect that to be a much longer process than just tweaking a few graphic settings.

So I'm just experiencing this because League isn't as optimized for a 1080ti? So if I played a game like Battlefield or something that requires really good graphics I'd have a better time? Because this also happens in World of Warcraft, not so much FPS drops, but I do notice I have less FPS than I had before I switched to a 1440p monitor.

 

I was thinking about just upgrading to a new CPU anyways I have around a 1000$ limit right now, and might try to look around for maybe a new motherboard too. Even if it enhanced the graphics a bit now would be fine because then I wouldn't need to upgrade for awhile either. It just shocks me that a 1080ti would even get to 60fps when only using 25% of its power.

[yourecute]

19 hours ago, Derrk said:

could also be a server issue, unless its a consistent problem. I'd recommend looking into the ryzen 3000 series if you do plan to upgrade. The ryzen 2000 series will also probably drop significantly in price if you're on a tighter budget

Yeah I think I'll upgrade next month and see what the prices are like then. Hopefully, as you said they go cheaper.

[yourecute]

1 minute ago, yourecute said:

So I'm just experiencing this because League isn't as optimized for a 1080ti? So if I played a game like Battlefield or something that requires really good graphics I'd have a better time? Because this also happens in World of Warcraft, not so much FPS drops, but I do notice I have less FPS than I had before I switched to a 1440p monitor.

 

I was thinking about just upgrading to a new CPU anyways I have around a 1000$ limit right now, and might try to look around for maybe a new motherboard too. Even if it enhanced the graphics a bit now would be fine because then I wouldn't need to upgrade for awhile either. It just shocks me that a 1080ti would even get to 60fps when only using 25% of its power.

Also to add onto this, I never really had any issues when playing on the 1080p 60hz and I do really wanna go back to having my regular 300fps. I know my monitor can only read up to 144 so anything stable above that would be perfect. You'd recommend getting a new motherboard, ram and CPU if I'd want that to happen? If I upgraded I probably wouldn't upgrade for another 4-5 years, and then maybe upgrade my graphics card in 3-4 depending on how long the 1080ti will last me.

[Paul Rudd]

5 hours ago, yourecute said:

So I'm just experiencing this because League isn't as optimized for a 1080ti?

I don't own your PC, so I don't know exactly why you are experiencing this. However, spare CPU usage with your current hardware in games like LoL, WoW, CSGO and Fortnite usually indicates you're bottle-necked by your single-thread performance, rather than lack of cores. You traded your single-threaded performance away for more cores, thus gaming performance suffers in certain games. The low CPU usage measurement does not tell you exactly what's going on in these games because unfortunately Windows doesn't have a built in way to see when you are constrained by single thread performance. It just bounces the threads all over the place and then gives you an average across all cores.

5 hours ago, yourecute said:

So if I played a game like Battlefield or something that requires really good graphics I'd have a better time?

If you are into first person shooters, then most definitely. Install a Battlefield game and find out. You're in luck, Battlefield 1 is only $4.99 on Origin right now, and will most likely go back to $19.99 very soon. I highly recommend it if you don't own it. Don't expect 300 fps though as most Battlefield games are much more graphically demanding. I'd guess around 85-115(depending on the map) at the Ultra preset in 1440p and above and beyond that if you were to customize your graphic settings.

5 hours ago, yourecute said:

It just shocks me that a 1080ti would even get to 60fps when only using 25% of its power.

Your current CPU is to blame for this. In games like League of Legends and World of Warcraft that is. You can try to overclock your RAM if you haven't already. And you can check your power plan in your Windows settings to make sure the maximum processor state of your CPU is at 100%.

This allows your CPU to clock to the 3.9 GHz max you can achieve in games like LoL and WoW. This could possibly be what is holding you back a little(if your current Max processor state is not 100%), you never know. Bare in mind that when you do this your CPU will produce more heat than usual so if you have a stock cooler, a simple fan curve should be applied to keep your CPU cool and stable. They're usually fairly easy to setup if you have not done so.

 

As for the Minimum processor state, I have mine set to 5% under the Balanced power plan so that it clocks to my max GHz when needed. I have no issues whatsoever with the Balanced power plan and highly recommend it. Be sure to monitor your CPU clock speed while gaming to make sure it stays at a constant clock.

[yourecute]

On 6/21/2019 at 7:25 PM, Dr. Historic Low said:

I don't own your PC, so I don't know exactly why you are experiencing this. However, spare CPU usage with your current hardware in games like LoL, WoW, CSGO and Fortnite usually indicates you're bottle-necked by your single-thread performance, rather than lack of cores. You traded your single-threaded performance away for more cores, thus gaming performance suffers in certain games. The low CPU usage measurement does not tell you exactly what's going on in these games because unfortunately Windows doesn't have a built in way to see when you are constrained by single thread performance. It just bounces the threads all over the place and then gives you an average across all cores.

If you are into first person shooters, then most definitely. Install a Battlefield game and find out. You're in luck, Battlefield 1 is only $4.99 on Origin right now, and will most likely go back to $19.99 very soon. I highly recommend it if you don't own it. Don't expect 300 fps though as most Battlefield games are much more graphically demanding. I'd guess around 85-115(depending on the map) at the Ultra preset in 1440p and above and beyond that if you were to customize your graphic settings.

Your current CPU is to blame for this. In games like League of Legends and World of Warcraft that is. You can try to overclock your RAM if you haven't already. And you can check your power plan in your Windows settings to make sure the maximum processor state of your CPU is at 100%.

This allows your CPU to clock to the 3.9 GHz max you can achieve in games like LoL and WoW. This could possibly be what is holding you back a little(if your current Max processor state is not 100%), you never know. Bare in mind that when you do this your CPU will produce more heat than usual so if you have a stock cooler, a simple fan curve should be applied to keep your CPU cool and stable. They're usually fairly easy to setup if you have not done so.

 

As for the Minimum processor state, I have mine set to 5% under the Balanced power plan so that it clocks to my max GHz when needed. I have no issues whatsoever with the Balanced power plan and highly recommend it. Be sure to monitor your CPU clock speed while gaming to make sure it stays at a constant clock.

Hey man so I tested some stuff on League, on every setting from very low to ultra my FPS stays the same. Even when I turned it down to very low and got into fights my fps would stay between 100-150 and then drop to 50-80 in a fight. I'm not sure why and I can't seem to figure it out. Maybe I should just buy a new motherboard... Also if I turn up my fan by making it go faster when overclocking would that make it safe. I've been monitoring the heat and have no issues there either. For my power options my thing is at high performance recommended already so it's at 100%. Thanks for your help and input though. Not sure what else to do ;\

[yourecute]

Also If you'd like I can link some of my NVIDIA graphic settings or other settings if that would help..

[Paul Rudd]

5 hours ago, yourecute said:

on every setting from very low to ultra my FPS stays the same.

I see.

5 hours ago, yourecute said:

For my power options my thing is at high performance recommended already so it's at 100%.

It can be at High Performance and still have different Min and Max processor states. Check again and tell me what your Min and Max processor states are.

5 hours ago, yourecute said:

Also if I turn up my fan by making it go faster when overclocking would that make it safe.

It's safe to turn up your fan but I recommend setting a fan curve so you're not maxing out your fan speed at all times. Very simple to do in your BIOS. If your temps are fine, no need to mess with it at this moment in time.

5 hours ago, yourecute said:

Not sure what else to do ;\

You are doing the right steps to resolve your issue. Until you make any upgrades, it's best to keep doing troubleshooting steps because something is causing your fps to hit in the 50's when on the lowest settings. You should be above and beyond that with your current hardware. Take a screenshot while you are gaming and post it here. Make sure it shows your CPU clock speed and usages and temps using MSI Afterburner. We'll get this issue fixed, sometimes a remedy is very simple and right under your nose.

[yourecute]

12 hours ago, Dr. Historic Low said:

I see.

It can be at High Performance and still have different Min and Max processor states. Check again and tell me what your Min and Max processor states are.

It's safe to turn up your fan but I recommend setting a fan curve so you're not maxing out your fan speed at all times. Very simple to do in your BIOS. If your temps are fine, no need to mess with it at this moment in time.

You are doing the right steps to resolve your issue. Until you make any upgrades, it's best to keep doing troubleshooting steps because something is causing your fps to hit in the 50's when on the lowest settings. You should be above and beyond that with your current hardware. Take a screenshot while you are gaming and post it here. Make sure it shows your CPU clock speed and usages and temps using MSI Afterburner. We'll get this issue fixed, sometimes a remedy is very simple and right under your nose.

I'm busy tonight, but I'll update you tomorrow. Thanks for your help homie! I'll screenshot my game and my TASK and MSI Afterburner for you.