amd Feature rich Motherboard

[kotenok]

Hey,

What should I realistically expect from and look for in a motherboard for either AMD or Intel to consider it present-proof and feature rich?

I'm aiming for matx (uatx) or mitx size. I'm fine with mid+ budget as long as it'll be justified.

I'm also expecting compatibility and stability rather than overclocking as probably I'll use a popular mid range cpu like ryzen 5 3400g, 2666/3000Mhz ram, 750ti and maybe upgrade it in future, for blender+adobe stuff and IT technician (something like associate degree or college level IT person), so I'd like to have easy access to stuff like Linux or virtual machine.

 

Thank you in advance.

[zhubaohi]

msi b450m mortar is a bretty good board

[Princess Luna]

You should first figure out if you want Intel or AMD... how much are you willing to spend as well? I'd say an EVGA Z370 Micro-ATX is a good pick to throw an i7 8700K in there... if you're getting a dedicated GPU like the GTX 750 Ti you mentioned it makes no sense go for an AMD APU.

[Dedayog]

14 minutes ago, kotenok said:

Hey,

What should I realistically expect from and look for in a motherboard for either AMD or Intel to consider it present-proof and feature rich?

I'm aiming for matx (uatx) or mitx size. I'm fine with mid+ budget as long as it'll be justified.

I'm also expecting compatibility and stability rather than overclocking as probably I'll use a popular mid range cpu like ryzen 5 3400g, 2666/3000Mhz ram, 750ti and maybe upgrade it in future, for blender+adobe stuff and IT technician (something like associate degree or college level IT person), so I'd like to have easy access to stuff like Linux or virtual machine.

 

Thank you in advance.

So what features are you looking for, you didn't list any that you want.  Just sounds like you want a good quality board.

 

 

[kotenok]

12 minutes ago, zhubaohi said:

msi b450m mortar is a bretty good board

Could you further explain, please?

9 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

You should first figure out if you want Intel or AMD... how much are you willing to spend as well? I'd say an EVGA Z370 Micro-ATX is a good pick to throw an i7 8700K in there... if you're getting a dedicated GPU like the GTX 750 Ti you mentioned it makes no sense go for an AMD APU.

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i7 8700K

That's expensive I'm thinking of a mid range CPU. And I feel 750TI will be slower than the 3400g APU.

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if you're getting a dedicated GPU like the GTX 750 Ti you mentioned it makes no sense go for an AMD APU.

Why? Wouldn't it make sense to have more GPU power for rendering and games that support GPU choice like WoW?

Besides, I'm, sort of, expecting to turn off 750TI whenever I won't be doing intensive work to save on electric bill.

 

 

6 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

So what features are you looking for, you didn't list any that you want.  Just sounds like you want a good quality board.

 

 

I don't know what is considered to be "the must have" nowadays. Is Thunderbolt practical or not? m2 seems like future proofing even if I use HDDs now, should I really have usb c 3.1 gen 2 for vr, and so on. Besides, I'd like it to work with stuff like Linux and local stores' reviews report that not all AMD boards support linux and less popular systems.

[Jurrunio]

16 minutes ago, kotenok said:

present-proof

supported CPUs. Intel for example, will cut compatibility this time around so the CPUs you can see now are the best of upgrades you can ever get without changing the motherboard. AMD on the other hand, has just announced their presumably last gen of CPUs on AM4 (not counting variants like Athlons and Ryzen APUs), so there are more choices incoming.

 

VRM quality and BIOS user friendliness are also factors for overclocking, less so if that's not your main point.

 

22 minutes ago, kotenok said:

feature rich

If you can't think of it, you most likely dont need it. mATX boards do have the advantage of allowing expansion cards to add extra function or ports.

 

24 minutes ago, kotenok said:

750ti

throw it away, even 2400G's Vega 11 is faster

[kotenok]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

 

If you can't think of it, you most likely dont need it. mATX boards do have the advantage of allowing expansion cards to add extra function or ports. 

It'll be my computer for the next decade It has to be good.

Now, I still have a z68 motherboard with usb2 and pcie2.0 and sata2. I certainly didn't think of buying sata 3 or usb 3 board back then, but it was the biggest mistake I could do.

[Jurrunio]

5 minutes ago, kotenok said:

It'll be my computer for the next decade It has to be good.

Avoid the cheapest of options then. mATX doesnt have high end boards, only mid range and uber high end on Intel Z390.

 

5 minutes ago, kotenok said:

Now, I still have a z68 motherboard with usb2 and pcie2.0 and sata2. I certainly didn't think of buying sata 3 or usb 3 board back then, but it was the biggest mistake I could do.

Mid range boards pretty much have everything you'll need anyway. High end boards are kinda waste of money when you only buy them for a few ports. IMO as long as it has M.2 slots and a USB-C at the back (better not go for case with USB-C front panel as rarely do boards have header for that) will do.

 

SATA3 and USB3 didnt get popular since the later Z77 right?

[kotenok]

4 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

SATA3 and USB3 didnt get popular since the later Z77 right? 

I don't really know when these and pcie 3 got popular, but everything was available by the time next gen of motherboards was released.

 

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Avoid the cheapest of options then. mATX doesnt have high end boards, only mid range and uber high end on Intel Z390.

Mid range boards pretty much have everything you'll need anyway. High end boards are kinda waste of money when you only buy them for a few ports. IMO as long as it has M.2 slots and a USB-C at the back (better not go for case with USB-C front panel as rarely do boards have header for that) will do.

It's either matx or mitx, I have a small case that fits either. Maybe mitx would have better thermals in case that's bigger than mitx. Maybe also, it'd have bt+wifi build in and generally would be cute)))

 

Ok, I get the thing about usb-c, and about buying too expensive motherboards.

Is it true that some AMD motherboards have faulty usb 3.2?

[kotenok]

Could anyone add anything regarding the subject, please?

[Quadriplegic]

On 5/30/2019 at 3:47 PM, Jurrunio said:

 

throw it away, even 2400G's Vega 11 is faster

Not quite. 
750 Ti > 1030 GDDR5 > Vega 11

[BigRom]

On 5/30/2019 at 8:46 PM, kotenok said:

Besides, I'm, sort of, expecting to turn off 750TI whenever I won't be doing intensive work to save on electric bill.

Bro the 750Ti uses so little power it could just draw it from the PCIe slot itself, I know because I used to have the Zotac Mini version of it. That thing being on or off will have practically no impact on your electric bill.

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

4 minutes ago, Quadriplegic said:

750 Ti > 1030 GDDR5 > Vega 11

I consider all these 3 are same

[Jurrunio]

47 minutes ago, Quadriplegic said:

Not quite. 
750 Ti > 1030 GDDR5 > Vega 11

Vega 8 overclocking (memory and GPU core) to catch if not beat 1030 GDDR5 is a common game for overclockers good at memory, so I'm certain Vega 11 is at least on par with both dedicated GPUs at stock with half decent memory (2666MHz CL16)

[BigRom]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Vega 8 overclocking (memory and GPU core) to catch if not beat 1030 GDDR5 is a common game for overclockers good at memory, so I'm certain Vega 11 is at least on par with both dedicated GPUs at stock with half decent memory (2666MHz CL16)

The Vega 11 is about on par with a GTX750 IIRC, I think a mild overclock on that would already match a 750Ti