Cpu bottle necking?

[Timruins]

So I'm running an I7 6700 (non k) with 16GB DDR4 @ 2133 and a ROG Strix Rtx 2070. 

I've only managed to test it in a few games and I'm gaming in 1080p but I'm not seeing the Fps I expected, I'm also getting stuttering as well as other minor graphical issues when I turn the settings all the way up in some games. 

 

I don't think it's the card as I'm not getting any artifacts, bluescreens or regular crashes and in fire strike the card seems to be well within the range of 2070 performance. 

 

 https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19403000

 

Off hand what I can remember Ive played

 

farcry 5 1080p Ultra with hd textures and was only getting between 70-90 fps probably averaging closer to 75fps

 

Valley 1080p max settings was only getting 60-80fps 

 

Agony unrated 1080p max settings ran at 144fps but was stuttering and had a weird trailing effect in some of the graphics and some of the textures almost seemed to lag a bit and would look weird 

 

Nioh 1080p max I didn't even check the Fps the graphics looked horrible everything had rough edges,  textures were blured, lines looked jagged. 

No idea why as I did not have the time to troubleshoot mind you this is a cracked copy as I had previously refunded it on steam due to fps drops on my old gpu not sure if that could be part of the issue. 

 

I also ran Unigine Haven benchmark 1080p 8xAA  d3d11 Ultra details  twice the first time I saw graphical stutter and a few frame drops I think my score was around 2800 with a high of around 250fps and a low of 9.1fps. 

The second run right after same settings there was no stutter and I scored 3004 avg fps 119.3 min fps 29.1 max 258.9

 

Some other details that may or may not be important... 

 

I did a fresh driver install after updating my gpu, and have not changed any of the default settings.

 

I have 2 hard drives in the system from 2 other systems both have several hundred gigabytes of games on them how ever they also have windows on them and had all the old software and drivers from when they were in the previous systems. Both are fairly full and are a 2tb 7200rpm drive and a 1tb 5400rpm drive. I spent the last bit of time deleting all the old drivers and software as I thought they maybe conflicting some how. 

 

I have a few different softwares running such as Logitech gaming software, Aura sync, gpu tweak, avast, malware bytes and plantronics rig mixer from what I can recall that's it but I may have missed one or two. 

 

 

I thank any of you who took the time to get through all of the details,  anyone who could shed some insight would be greatly appreciated. I'm hoping it's just a over site on my part or some background process hitting the cpu or ram but I'm thinking it could be a bottle neck or I just expected to much out of the gpu upgrade... 

 

 

[Mick Naughty]

I know my 8700k gives me issues at 1080p using a 1080. So if the games use the cpu enough, it should be a problem for you too. 

[Timruins]

37 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

I know my 8700k gives me issues at 1080p using a 1080. So if the games use the cpu enough, it should be a problem for you too. 

Would cpu bottle necking explain the stuttering,  graphical errors, framedrops and the variance between Haven scores? 

 

For the past few years I've been living with gpu based bottlenecks,  now that I'm dealing with a gpu that's more powerful than my cpu this is a whole new situation I know very little about. 

 

If it's a cpu based bottle neck would stepping up to a 1440p display possibly improve performance by putting more load on the gpu and lifting some of the cpu usage? 

[jones177]

Heaven was not smooth when I ran a i7 6700k and had a minor pause in scene 24 with my i7 8700k. 

8x in heaven will bottleneck my 2080 ti at 1080p and 1440p. At 4x or non it will not.

Background apps can cause pauses and stutter in heaven and Valley. Even running the CPU Z bench will cause pauses if you run heaven after.

 

Hard drives can cause stutter. That is the reason I stopped using 7200rpm ones back in 2007. I tried a 5tb WD Black in 2016 to see if things improved but it stuttered like hell. SATA SSDs don't stutter on vanilla games.

 

If you want smooth in "hard to run" open world games you will have to get more cores. After I upgraded my i7 2600k to a i7 8700k I did not want to play anything on my i7 6700k rig.

 

My gaming computer just runs windows with lots of things turned off. It is not used to browse the web since it only uses Windows Defender. Even my Razer mouse does not use the Razer bloatware.  

 

My other computer that I am using now has really good security and only Steam and Pression X1 are allowed in startup.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mick Naughty]

57 minutes ago, Timruins said:

Would cpu bottle necking explain the stuttering,  graphical errors, framedrops and the variance between Haven scores? 

 

For the past few years I've been living with gpu based bottlenecks,  now that I'm dealing with a gpu that's more powerful than my cpu this is a whole new situation I know very little about. 

 

If it's a cpu based bottle neck would stepping up to a 1440p display possibly improve performance by putting more load on the gpu and lifting some of the cpu usage? 

I get stuttering and frame drops. No real graphic issues. Scores change based on a lot of things really. I still have issues with 1440, really comes down to the game. But sounds like there’s another issue if there are artifacts. 

[Timruins]

2 hours ago, Mick Naughty said:

 But sounds like there’s another issue if there are artifacts. 

No artifacts just textures going blurry or lagging like you look at a zombie in the distance through a scope and it takes a second before the textures load and the one thing looks like it's on low settings when everything else is on high. 

I've also got the occasional screen tare if I get a bad drop during a stutter, I've had some textures on walls kind of moving if you view them from certain distances or angles. Then nioh just looked horrible but that could just be a bad download 

 

I think I could possibly be just pushing it to far and turning up or on the wrong in game setting causing the cpu to bottleneck underload I have been turning most game to the max, like I click ultra and then see if there's other settings still disabled and turn them on to in most cases.... Gonna try turning a few things down and try some more games over the weekend hopefully to better results 

[Timruins]

3 hours ago, jones177 said:

Heaven was not smooth when I ran a i7 6700k and had a minor pause in scene 24 with my i7 8700k. 

8x in heaven will bottleneck my 2080 ti at 1080p and 1440p. At 4x or non it will not.

Background apps can cause pauses and stutter in heaven and Valley. Even running the CPU Z bench will cause pauses if you run heaven after.

 

Hard drives can cause stutter. That is the reason I stopped using 7200rpm ones back in 2007. I tried a 5tb WD Black in 2016 to see if things improved but it stuttered like hell. SATA SSDs don't stutter on vanilla games.

 

If you want smooth in "hard to run" open world games you will have to get more cores. After I upgraded my i7 2600k to a i7 8700k I did not want to play anything on my i7 6700k rig.

 

My gaming computer just runs windows with lots of things turned off. It is not used to browse the web since it only uses Windows Defender. Even my Razer mouse does not use the Razer bloatware.  

 

My other computer that I am using now has really good security and only Steam and Pression X1 are allowed in startup.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea so sounds like basically everything I listed explains my performance issues,  going to have to try running some full system benchmarks and drive tests to see if the drives are causing any of the issues. Also going to have to look into killing dome apps and processes that are unneeded and try to limit background software. 

 

Really not sure how my system managed to run Haven in 8x on ultra in 1080p smoothly even just the one time  if you have issues with an 8086k and a 2080ti. 

[xg32]

ya a non k cpu with 2133 ram will do that, try overclocking to 2666-3000 at least before upgrading anything else.

[Timruins]

2 hours ago, xg32 said:

ya a non k cpu with 2133 ram will do that, try overclocking to 2666-3000 at least before upgrading anything else.

Unfortunately ram cant be overclocked, my motherboard is supposed to support 2400 and my ram is 2400 xmp ram but even with xmp enabled my ram runs at the stock base 2133.

 

From my understanding I'd need a Z chipset in order to overclock the ram with a non k but at the time of purchase a Z chipset didnt make sense as I already had the 6700.

[xAcid9]

11 hours ago, Timruins said:

have a few different softwares running such as Logitech gaming software, Aura sync, gpu tweak, avast, malware bytes and plantronics rig mixer from what I can recall that's it but I may have missed one or two. 

Can you do a control test without those programs running? 

[Timruins]

10 hours ago, xAcid9 said:

Can you do a control test without those programs running? 

I ran userbenchmark after a normal start up and then with as many background applications closed as possible. Just with the few obvious programs in my tray being closed my score improved from 43rd percentile up to 57th percentile. 

 

Not sure how accurate that benchmark is but from the results I got everything in my system is performing above average except my HDDs and my 2400mhz ram is under performing also as it will only clock to 2133.

[xAcid9]

14 hours ago, Timruins said:

I ran userbenchmark after a normal start up and then with as many background applications closed as possible. Just with the few obvious programs in my tray being closed my score improved from 43rd percentile up to 57th percentile. 

 

Not sure how accurate that benchmark is but from the results I got everything in my system is performing above average except my HDDs and my 2400mhz ram is under performing also as it will only clock to 2133.

Test it with the game you playing.