Difference between z390 boards

[webguy]

22 minutes ago, xg32 said:

The taichi would be worth it over the elite for 200usd, the 2080 ti is power limited so even the 2 fan models don't go past 80C when gaming, u'd have to turn the fans up of course.

 

I'm currently playing division 2 and my temps on 4.7 avx (110w)  are as follows first load 100% cpu usage 70C (4.9 avx 180w=85C), in game 60C, gpu under 75C, ambient 20C VRM 75C (the master/ultra is about 20C cooler), for 200usd i'd grab the taichi over the elite, it's worth it imho. If it's gets really hot where you live, then really consider the ultra/master, the 9900k draws way too much power.

 

2080 ti black https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-2281-KR <--just went out of stock rip, every damn time.

 

The problem with the 2080 isn't the temps, it's the extra 25% you lose compared to the 2080ti when/if you can get one for 1k, since you already sink a significant amount of money into a premium mobo/9900k and 32gb of ram.

 

 

Thank you for all of this helpful information.  If I turn the fans up on a 2 fan gpu would it be loud enough to be a problem while streaming?  Or are the fans quiet enough to not hear them?  Is it safe to run that 1k 2080ti for 12+ hours at a time under heavy load like gaming and streaming?  Would it likely last 2-3 years or more doing that?

 

It does not get really here inside.  I try to keep it around 68 degrees inside if I can.  You said the 9900k draws a lot of power.  Would a 600w gold psu be good for that or would you recommend more?

 

Thank you for that link.  That is a great deal.  I will watch for that.  I think you are right on that if it is only $150.00 more than I would pay for the asus rog 2080 that would be a better deal for me.  Do you think a 2080ti would be a lot better able to handle gaming at 1440p and streaming on the same pc than the 2080?

[xg32]

17 minutes ago, webguy said:

Thank you for all of this helpful information.  If I turn the fans up on a 2 fan gpu would it be loud enough to be a problem while streaming?  Or are the fans quiet enough to not hear them?  Is it safe to run that 1k 2080ti for 12+ hours at a time under heavy load like gaming and streaming?  Would it likely last 2-3 years or more doing that?

 

It does not get really here inside.  I try to keep it around 68 degrees inside if I can.  You said the 9900k draws a lot of power.  Would a 600w gold psu be good for that or would you recommend more?

 

Thank you for that link.  That is a great deal.  I will watch for that.  I think you are right on that if it is only $150.00 more than I would pay for the asus rog 2080 that would be a better deal for me.  Do you think a 2080ti would be a lot better able to handle gaming at 1440p and streaming on the same pc than the 2080?

if the pc is right next to the mic it will pick it up, the fans are quite loud, it's perfectly safe to run 24/7 at 150w load, really not sure about 200w unless you can keep it cool, it'll last 3 years.

 

For the psu, a quality 600w would be enough, check the psu tier list on this forum.

 

The 2080 ti black comes back in stock every 2 weeks or so and sells out the same day, as for performance, i'm current playing on 1440p/144hz medium or 1440p/98 high on division, a 2080 would probably manage around 110-120/80-85. In an ideal situation a build would be bottlenecked by the monitor (1080p/144hz), but ur build will always be gpu bottlenecked so it's ideal to get a 2080 ti (premium models that cost 1300-1500usd will only be 5-7% faster than the black. (cooler temps 2100  not guaranteed vs 1950)

 

The 2080 ti is very efficient up to 2000mhz, anythign past that is just minimaxing, i can run 1950 on 50% fan speed (not the loudest fans in my case or 2010 on 80% fan speed (about 50db~.)

[webguy]

3 minutes ago, xg32 said:

if the pc is right next to the mic it will make it up, the fans are quite loud, it's perfectly safe to run 24/7 at 150w load, really not sure about 200w unless you can keep it cool, it'll last 3 years.

 

For the psu, a quality 600w would be enough, check the psu tier list on this forum.

 

The 2080 ti black comes back in stock every 2 weeks or so and sells out the same day, as for performance, i'm current playing on 1440p/144hz medium on division, a 2080 would probably manage around 110-120. In an ideal situation a build would be bottlenecked by the monitor (1080p/144hz), but ur build will always been gpu bottlenecked so it's ideal to get a 2080 ti (premium models that cost 1300-1500usd will only be 5-7% faster than the black. (cooler temps 2100  not guaranteed vs 1950)

 

The 2080 ti is very efficient up to 2000mhz, anythign past that is just minimum, i can run 1950 on 50% fan speed (not the loudest fans in my case or 2010 on 80% fan speed (about 50db~.)

That sounds great.  I can put the pc a few feet away from the mic if that would help with the fan noise on stream.  I am sorry but I do not know anything about running things at different wattage.  What do you mean?  Are you talking about overclocking the gpu?

 

That sounds good on the psu.  I will check that out.

 

Thank you again for the information on that 2080 ti sale link.  I will watch for that.  What do you mean about running 1950 or 2100?  I feel so inexperienced hearing that kind of stuff.  I normally just turn the pc on and load my programs and do not do anything with temperature or hz settings or even know what that is or where or why to change it.

[xg32]

7 minutes ago, webguy said:

That sounds great.  I can put the pc a few feet away from the mic if that would help with the fan noise on stream.  I am sorry but I do not know anything about running things at different wattage.  What do you mean?  Are you talking about overclocking the gpu?

 

That sounds good on the psu.  I will check that out.

 

Thank you again for the information on that 2080 ti sale link.  I will watch for that.  What do you mean about running 1950 or 2100?  I feel so inexperienced hearing that kind of stuff.  I normally just turn the pc on and load my programs and do not do anything with temperature or hz settings or even know what that is or where or why to change it.

the rtx/turing cards have a type of boost that depends on the temperature of the card, a triple fan 2080 ti that cost 1300usd will load at about 55C instead of 75C, the clock speed on those cards can range from 1995-2100 because of the lower temps. whereas the double fan card will run at 1950-2055. (my card can actually boost to 2055 before it heats up but realistically it's 1995 or 2010 core @75C.)

[webguy]

11 minutes ago, xg32 said:

the rtx/turing cards have a type of boost that depends on the temperature of the card, a triple fan 2080 ti that cost 1300usd will load at about 55C instead of 75C, the clock speed on those cards can range from 1995-2100 because of the lower temps. whereas the double fan card will run at 1950-2055. (my card can actually boost to 2055 before it heats up but realistically it's 1995 or 2010 core @75C.)

Thank you.  I am learning more and more from helpful people like you here on the forum.  From my understanding of what you said the cards will push performance based on temperature and the 3 fan cards will push a little more performance due to the cards not heating up quite as much due to the extra fan while the 2 fan card will push a little less performance due to only having two fans.  Is that right?  Is that something I have to monitor and control or can I simply turn on my pc and play my games and run my stream?

[SliceT]

If you don't overclock, there's no need to spend 200$ unless you needed a RGP and bunch of features that only 200+ $ motherboards have.

For 150$ you get the Z390 Master with Wifi that is excellent or even the Extreme 4. Save that money to buy decent SSD or even a better graphics card.

 

The PSU brand that is most reliable is Seasonic, they actually the ones who OEM for some other brands.

[Ankerson]

28 minutes ago, SliceT said:

If you don't overclock, there's no need to spend 200$ unless you needed a RGP and bunch of features that only 200+ $ motherboards have.

For 150$ you get the Z390 Master with Wifi that is excellent or even the Extreme 4. Save that money to buy decent SSD or even a better graphics card.

 

The PSU brand that is most reliable is Seasonic, they actually the ones who OEM for some other brands.

The AORUS Master Z390 is a $290 motherboard.

 

The Elite and the Pro are the cheaper ones, under $170 and $160/

[xg32]

5 hours ago, webguy said:

Thank you.  I am learning more and more from helpful people like you here on the forum.  From my understanding of what you said the cards will push performance based on temperature and the 3 fan cards will push a little more performance due to the cards not heating up quite as much due to the extra fan while the 2 fan card will push a little less performance due to only having two fans.  Is that right?  Is that something I have to monitor and control or can I simply turn on my pc and play my games and run my stream?

it's also generally better heatsinks, if i was to spend 1300 on a 2080 ti it'd be the xc hybrid, or buy a 2080 ti black and slap a hybrid cooler on it, the extra 200 for the ftw3 hybrid isn't worth it. It's not something u have to monitor, if you choose to up the power limit etc, precision 1 and afterburner is easy enough to use.

 

The performance difference between the cheapest card and the most expensive card is realistically 1950-2150 mhz, 10% clock speed is only about 5-7% more performance, the price difference for that last 7% can range from 300-500usd, personally i didnt bother.

[webguy]

10 hours ago, SliceT said:

If you don't overclock, there's no need to spend 200$ unless you needed a RGP and bunch of features that only 200+ $ motherboards have.

For 150$ you get the Z390 Master with Wifi that is excellent or even the Extreme 4. Save that money to buy decent SSD or even a better graphics card.

 

The PSU brand that is most reliable is Seasonic, they actually the ones who OEM for some other brands.

Thank you.  I may not overclock but I do want to have the option if I do want to in the future.  I do not need wifi on the pc so I would rather get one without it if it is a little less expensive.  I had almost decided to do a less expensive board then I watched some youtube videos like the ones recommended here last night about z390 boards and many of them said if you are going to get a good cpu like the i9 9900k why would you cheap out on the board so now I am thinking about getting a $200 - $300 board instead.

 

Thank you for the recommendation on the psu.  I will look into that.

[webguy]

10 hours ago, Ankerson said:

The AORUS Master Z390 is a $290 motherboard.

 

The Elite and the Pro are the cheaper ones, under $170 and $160/

Thank you.  I am looking at these three.

[webguy]

7 hours ago, xg32 said:

it's also generally better heatsinks, if i was to spend 1300 on a 2080 ti it'd be the xc hybrid, or buy a 2080 ti black and slap a hybrid cooler on it, the extra 200 for the ftw3 hybrid isn't worth it. It's not something u have to monitor, if you choose to up the power limit etc, precision 1 and afterburner is easy enough to use.

 

The performance difference between the cheapest card and the most expensive card is realistically 1950-2150 mhz, 10% clock speed is only about 5-7% more performance, the price difference for that last 7% can range from 300-500usd, personally i didnt bother.

Thank you again for all of this information.  That is starting to make sense to me now that you have explained it.  I am now pretty set on the evga 2080ti black.  I hope to get one from their website when it is back in stock.  I hope they have one in the next week.

[Ankerson]

3 minutes ago, webguy said:

Thank you.  I may not overclock but I do want to have the option if I do want to in the future.  I do not need wifi on the pc so I would rather get one without it if it is a little less expensive.  I had almost decided to do a less expensive board then I watched some youtube videos like the ones recommended here last night about z390 boards and many of them said if you are going to get a good cpu like the i9 9900k why would you cheap out on the board so now I am thinking about getting a $200 - $300 board instead.

 

Thank you for the recommendation on the psu.  I will look into that.

 

The AORUS Master Z390 is the best MB in that range.

 

The AORUS Ultra Z390 is slightly less expensive.

[webguy]

3 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

 

The AORUS Master Z390 is the best MB in that range.

 

The AORUS Ultra Z390 is slightly less expensive.

Thank you.  I am looking at either the taichi that was recommended here or the aorus ultra now.

[Ankerson]

4 minutes ago, webguy said:

Thank you.  I am looking at either the taichi that was recommended here or the aorus ultra now.

 

I wouldn't buy any other Z390 MB other than the AORUS line, Master and Ultra.

 

The VRMS are a lot better than all the rest currently.

 

You would have to spend a lot more, almost double to get the same quality in the other boards, like in the $500+ range.

[webguy]

3 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

 

I wouldn't buy any other Z390 MB other than the AORUS line, Master and Ultra.

 

The VRMS are a lot better than all the rest currently.

 

You would have to spend a lot more, almost double to get the same quality in the other boards, like in the $500+ range.

Thank you.  I am leaning toward the ultra.  In all honesty I will likely not ever overclock but I do like the option to if needed.  I just plan to play my games at 1440p on an i9 9900k with evga 2080ti black gpu and stream them from the same pc while also capturing video with the capture card to edit into youtube videos.  For that use I do not know if I will end up needing to overclock anything or do you think I would need to?

 

The VRM differences between the boards is mainly for if you want to overclock right?

[Ankerson]

32 minutes ago, webguy said:

Thank you.  I am leaning toward the ultra.  In all honesty I will likely not ever overclock but I do like the option to if needed.  I just plan to play my games at 1440p on an i9 9900k with evga 2080ti black gpu and stream them from the same pc while also capturing video with the capture card to edit into youtube videos.  For that use I do not know if I will end up needing to overclock anything or do you think I would need to?

 

The VRM differences between the boards is mainly for if you want to overclock right?

 

I wouldn't get the Black Edition, they are cheaper for a reason.

 

I would recommend getting a higher end model ideally like the XC Ultra Gaming, yes it costs more, but the cooling is a lot better, the clocks are higher.

 

And they will stay higher when gaming due to the better cooling.

 

It's a 3 slot card with very good cooling so the clocks will stay higher over the 2 slot Black.

 

My 2080Ti FTW3 Ultra has higher clocks stock than the Black does OCed as an example.

 

That's the difference, and the FTW3 Ultra Gaming has a custom PCB and power delivery and excellent cooling, 3 fan card. But that's the flagship high end card and the reasons why they cost more than the rest.

 

There are more that a few here on the forum that are kicking themselves for not getting one of the higher end model 2080Ti's.

 

You really have to look at what you are going to buy before you buy with the new cards.

 

 

[Ankerson]

6 minutes ago, webguy said:

 

 

The VRM differences between the boards is mainly for if you want to overclock right?

Yes, and no, it goes towards overall quality and stability.

[webguy]

1 hour ago, Ankerson said:

 

I wouldn't get the Black Edition, they are cheaper for a reason.

 

I would recommend getting a higher end model ideally like the XC Ultra Gaming, yes it costs more, but the cooling is a lot better, the clocks are higher.

 

And they will stay higher when gaming due to the better cooling.

 

It's a 3 slot card with very good cooling so the clocks will stay higher over the 2 slot Black.

 

My 2080Ti FTW3 Ultra has higher clocks stock than the Black does OCed as an example.

 

That's the difference, and the FTW3 Ultra Gaming has a custom PCB and power delivery and excellent cooling, 3 fan card. But that's the flagship high end card and the reasons why they cost more than the rest.

 

There are more that a few here on the forum that are kicking themselves for not getting one of the higher end model 2080Ti's.

 

You really have to look at what you are going to buy before you buy with the new cards.

 

 

Thank you for the information.  I was originally going to get the asus rog strix 2080 for $850.00 but then I found out I can get the evga 2080ti black for only $100.00 more so I figured even though it is a lower end 2080ti it is still better than the high end 2080.  Right?  I do not have budget to spend an extra $400.00 - $500.00 for a higher end 2080ti.

[webguy]

1 hour ago, Ankerson said:

Yes, and no, it goes towards overall quality and stability.

Ok I think I will spend the extra $100.00 and get the aorus ultra for $250.00.

[xg32]

51 minutes ago, webguy said:

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the 2080 ti black is lower binned card that overclocks slightly worse, doesn't mean they'll explode or anything, it's probably a difference of 30-45 mhz at most on the core, which is 1-2% for 200bucks cheaper, but 20-25% better than a 2080. You'd have to use afterburner or x1 to achieve those clocks though

 

The ultra is the same as the master except for a bios and power switch on the motherboard, the bios switch allows it to boot slightly faster, while i've used the power buttons on the taichi...once, Overall quality wise i'd guess masters>ultra>taichi>elite.

[webguy]

28 minutes ago, xg32 said:

the 2080 ti black is lower binned card that overclocks slightly worse, doesn't mean they'll explode or anything, it's probably a difference of 30-45 mhz at most on the core, which is 1-2% for 200bucks cheaper, but 20-25% better than a 2080. You'd have to use afterburner or x1 to achieve those clocks though

 

The ultra is the same as the master except for a bios and power switch on the motherboard, the bios switch allows it to boot slightly faster, while i've used the power buttons on the taichi...once, Overall quality wise i'd guess masters>ultra>taichi>elite.

Thank you.  You said I would have to use afterburner to achieve that performance.  Would the stock 2080 ti black perform 20% or more better than the stock asus rog strix 2080?

 

That sounds great on the boards.  I think I may go with the ultra.

[-rascal-]

@xg32 @webguy

AsRock's Taichi line-up is pretty good, and you shouldn't go wrong picking that up -- if that is what you prefer.

That said, the AsRock Taichi is going for ~$204 right now.
The Gigabyte Aorus Elite at $169.99, Pro at $179.99, it's hard to go for the $204 Taichi -- unless that is what you prefer.
Gigabyte Arous Ultra is another step up, so why it costs more.

There is actually a Z390 motherboard VRM Tier List over at Overclock.net.
Looks like the AsRock Phantom Gaming 9 / AsRock Taichi Ultimate / Gigabyte Arous Ultra are in the similar tier.
AsRock Taichi sits with the Gigabyte Arous Elite.
https://www.overclock.net/forum/6-intel-motherboards/1638955-z370-z390-vrm-discussion-thread-165.html

NOTE: Picture provided below may not be the most up-to-date version of the chart.

[Ankerson]

1 hour ago, xg32 said:

the 2080 ti black is lower binned card that overclocks slightly worse, doesn't mean they'll explode or anything, it's probably a difference of 30-45 mhz at most on the core, which is 1-2% for 200bucks cheaper, but 20-25% better than a 2080. You'd have to use afterburner or x1 to achieve those clocks though

 

The ultra is the same as the master except for a bios and power switch on the motherboard, the bios switch allows it to boot slightly faster, while i've used the power buttons on the taichi...once, Overall quality wise i'd guess masters>ultra>taichi>elite.

 

The Master also has a thermal backplate, better VRM Heatsinks, better audio, and some other added goodies so it costs more.

 

Just got my AORUS Z390 Master in today that will be replacing the AORUS Z370 Gaming 5 I am running now.

 

 

 

[Ankerson]

26 minutes ago, webguy said:

Thank you.  You said I would have to use afterburner to achieve that performance.  Would the stock 2080 ti black perform 20% or more better than the stock asus rog strix 2080?

 

That sounds great on the boards.  I think I may go with the ultra.

 

The Black is still a 2080Ti in the end and will still be faster than a 2080, how much in reality though will depend.

 

But you are comparing 2 different tiered cards, the ROG Strix is a high end model while the Black is the low end so the performance will be closer than equal tiered cards would be. And the Black will be a lot louder and run hotter than the ROG Strix or equal EVGA card.

 

You really do get what you pay for, it just depends on what is important to YOU.

 

Say you buy that Black 2080TI, will you regret it later thinking you could have gotten a higher tiered model?

 

Only time will tell depending on what you buy and what you think after.

 

 

[webguy]

31 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

@xg32 @webguy

AsRock's Taichi line-up is pretty good, and you shouldn't go wrong picking that up -- if that is what you prefer.

That said, the AsRock Taichi is going for ~$204 right now.
The Gigabyte Aorus Elite at $169.99, Pro at $179.99, it's hard to go for the $204 Taichi -- unless that is what you prefer.
Gigabyte Arous Ultra is another step up, so why it costs more.

There is actually a Z390 motherboard VRM Tier List over at Overclock.net.
Looks like the AsRock Phantom Gaming 9 / AsRock Taichi Ultimate / Gigabyte Arous Ultra are in the similar tier.
AsRock Taichi sits with the Gigabyte Arous Elite.
https://www.overclock.net/forum/6-intel-motherboards/1638955-z370-z390-vrm-discussion-thread-165.html

NOTE: Picture provided below may not be the most up-to-date version of the chart.

Thank you for this information.  I found the aorus ultra for $245.00 and am thinking about that one.  I will look at this info on the reviews and see if I like it.