First time building

[NoobGuy]

Hello,

 

I don't know much about hardware, I was never interested, I only know the basics of the basics...I'm a software person. I learn if it's needed...when it's needed, so I'm sorry for missing something or writing something incorrect.

 

I would really appreciate it if you would spend some of your time and expertise on helping me. If you are not willing to do it thoroughly like you would do it for yourself, or if you are not completely sure in your skills / experience / knowledge, please don't suggest anything...better to not get help than to get a bad help and spend a lot of money on it (and trust me, this amount of money is a lot for me...I can't afford to waste it, because I need a lot of time and hard work to save this much). Of course, I would like to get the best combination for my budget. PLEASE MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS COMPATIBLE!

 

I wanted to make it as easy as possible for you, so I went over the most important parts that all relevant computer shops here sell, made a few lists of those parts, with basic information about each part (I chose an upper price limit for each category), compared prices between shops and chose the best price for each part. I didn't make a list for each category, because there are just way too many options to list for some parts like RAM, cases, PSU etc. or there isn't much difference between parts or impact of a category on the system to justify the time required for a list creation. Excel lists for GPU, CPU, SSD and Motherboard are attached. Links to computer shop pages for other categories that weren't processed by me are below.

 

Currency: Serbian Dinar (RSD)

Prices are in RSD. 1 EUR ~= 118,5 RSD.    1 USD ~= 104 RSD.

Budget: 80.000 RSD

Location: Belgrade, Republic of Serbia

 

It's not available in English, but I think it will be clear to you.

 

HDD (i guess 7200 rpm, 64/128 mb buffer...2.5'' or 3.5'' ?)   https://www.emmi.rs/konfigurator/proizvodi.10.html?go=true&Id=10&brandId=&productTitle=&price=&specijalna_ponuda=&hladnjak=&tip=&povezivanje=&kapacitet=9220&format=&categoryId=209&sortBy=Price1|ASC&offset=0

 

Case: https://www.emmi.rs/konfigurator/proizvodi.10.html?go=true&Id=10&categoryId=218&sortBy=Price1|ASC&offset=0

 

PSU (please make sure it's adequate and that it won't catch fire because of low quality): https://www.emmi.rs/konfigurator/proizvodi.10.html?go=true&Id=10&categoryId=219&sortBy=Price1|ASC&offset=0

 

RAM: https://www.emmi.rs/konfigurator/proizvodi.10.html?go=true&Id=10&brandId=&productTitle=&price=&specijalna_ponuda=&tip=&kapacitet=9232&brzina_rada=&latencija=&osvetljenje=&categoryId=210&sortBy=Price1|ASC&offset=0

 

Do I need additional cooling?

 

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So, here is the idea of my system:

1. Windows version to be used: Windows 10. I have it already.

2. PC will be used for:

 

- Gaming (single and multiplayer, hosting 2 -3 player multiplayer sessions). Game examples:

    - Europa Universalis series
    - City Car Driving
    - Euro Truck Simulator 2
    - Fallout New Vegas, Fallout 4...
    - Mount & Blade Bannerlord
    - Witcher series
    - GTA series
    - Player Unknown's Battlegrounds
    - Civilization series
    - Anything else I can imagine, there are so many games that I want to try...so guess that some of those games will require strong PC

 

- Web (watching YouTube videos in 1080p and watching Twitch streams are the heaviest load I can think of...having around 10 YouTube tabs open at the same time should be possible)

- Some Microsoft Office work

- Watching 1080p movies/series

- Some light video editing (cutting and merging videos in order to create a longer video for YouTube, length of ~10-15 min)

3. Graphics quality is not important, I'm fine with medium settings with advanced settings turned off. I've never had a fast PC, so my game choice was limited to Fallout 1-3, Mount & Blade Warband, Counter Strike, Warcraft III and similar hardware friendly games. Anything heavier was limited to 1024x768 or 1280x800 resolution at best with everything set to minimum and I didn't mind it one bit. Two things I care about are monitor utilization (1680x1050 resolution) and smooth animation. 60 FPS is the goal if it's possible to achieve it with this budget. Maybe I will buy 1920x1080 monitor some time in the future, but not any time time soon (unless this one dies...it's more than 10 years old).

 

4. I don't think I will be overclocking. I've read somewhere that it voids warranty (and I plan to use 3 years per part to the fullest), and I know that it can damage the system or shorten it's life, that it requires additional cooling...also I don't have any time to invest into learning new things.

 

5. It should be able to handle as many years of new games as possible before requiring a major upgrade.

 

6. It should be upgradable, so I don't have to change the whole system any time soon.

 

7. I had problems with my headset - strong buzzing - electrical interference, which made voice communication impossible. I've read that bad computer case was a possible cause. So it's important to provide quality voice chat - for multiplayer purposes.

 

8. System needs to be stable and properly cooled, and have a stable, reliable power supply. PC will be used for around 8 hours a day, will be kept in a moderately dusty room and it's insides won't be cleaned often.

 

9. SSD is a mandatory part. I guess 250 GB SDD + 1 TB HDD will be more than enough.

 

10. USB 3.0 / 3.1 is mandatory, I guess.

 

11. I won't be using two graphics card or anything fancy like connecting TV to PC (don't own one), liquid cooling, led lighting etc...

 

12. 8 or 16 GB RAM ? I guess 16 to be safe and to be able to handle future titles.  2x8 ?

 

13. Using few applications at the same time is a regular thing for me, for example playing a game with sound turned off while listening to a Twitch stream.

 

14. I have a monitor, an USB mouse, a P/S2 keyboard,  2.1 sound system (I will never buy more than 2.1), a headset, another PC that shares internet with this one via ethernet cable, 2 USB game pads.

 

15. APU's are not an option.

 

16. Build should contain a PC case. Doesn't matter how it looks, just make sure that system will fit inside the case...

 

17. DVD reader + burner don't have to be bought right now, as most of my content is digital. System can be installed from USB...

 

18. Only 1 monitor.

 

19. No manufacturer preference. I care only about quality and reliability.

 

I hope this was of help to you. I'm available for any additional information.

 

CPU.xlsx

GPU.xlsx

Motherboard.xlsx

SSD.xlsx

[Fasauceome]

11 minutes ago, NoobGuy said:

or anything fancy like connecting TV to PC

A TV is just a monitor with some different features, no worries there.

Anyway;

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	€148.46 @ Amazon Italia
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Pure Rock Slim 35.14 CFM CPU Cooler	€27.03 @ Amazon Italia
Motherboard	ASRock - B450M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	€70.98 @ Amazon Italia
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory	€67.09 @ Amazon Italia
Storage	Intel - 545s 128 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	€22.52 @ Amazon Italia
Storage	Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	€40.59 @ Amazon Italia
Video Card	XFX - Radeon RX 570 4 GB RS XXX Video Card	€149.00 @ Amazon Italia
Case	Cougar - MX310 ATX Mid Tower Case	€24.79 @ Amazon Italia
Power Supply	Corsair - Builder 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	€67.90 @ Corsair
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€618.36
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-27 18:40 CET+0100

How's this? It supports P/S2 like you said for your keyboard, and I went a little basic to go under your budget (about 675 Euro) but if you have room you could probably either get more ram or SSD space.

[Sorenson]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	€159.90 @ Alternate
Motherboard	MSI - B450M PRO-M2 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	€69.99 @ Amazon Deutschland
Memory	Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	€117.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
Storage	Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	€79.30 @ Amazon Deutschland
Video Card	Sapphire - Radeon RX 570 8 GB PULSE Video Card	€158.89 @ Mindfactory
Case	Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case	€39.90 @ Caseking
Power Supply	be quiet! - Pure Power 10 300 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	€48.80 @ Amazon Deutschland
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€674.68
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-27 18:46 CET+0100

These are the parts I would suggest. I apologize that I couldn't convert it to RSD but PC part picker did not have that as an option, so I put it in euros. These components are around what you should be looking for in that price range. 

 

If you are worried about compatibility use PC part picker. If you go with an AMD Ryzen CPU make sure you use two sticks of ram set up in dual channel and you enable them to run at their rated speed in the bios. Most Ram will default to like 2400 Mhz even if it is rated for 3200 - to change this you just go into the bios and change their speed (this is not over clocking). Fast ram is important for Ryzen cpus. 

[Cyracus]

17 minutes ago, Sorenson said:

CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor €159.90 @ Alternate

Motherboard MSI - B450M PRO-M2 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard €69.99 @ Amazon Deutschland

Memory Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory €117.90 @ Amazon Deutschland

Video Card Sapphire - Radeon RX 570 8 GB PULSE Video Card €158.89 @ Mindfactory

I second all this 

24 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

Storage Intel - 545s 128 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive €22.52 @ Amazon Italia Storage Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive €40.59 @ Amazon Italia

and this, having a drive dedicated to just your OS makes it real convenient to do a clean install if windows borks itself

 

for psu try to find a tier 4 or better, probably a 400-450W  

 

[Fasauceome]

Just now, Cyracus said:

for psu try to find a tier 4 or better, probably a 400-450W

I've been using the new tier list

CX grey label is a tier B so it's quite good. (The "builder" moniker seems to be separate branding.)

[Cyracus]

1 minute ago, fasauceome said:

I've been using the new tier list

I missed that, I'll give it a look and add it to my bookmarks, thanks

[Sorenson]

3 minutes ago, Cyracus said:

I second all this 

and this, having a drive dedicated to just your OS makes it real convenient to do a clean install if windows borks itself

 

 

I agree with having windows on a second drive, however I would rather start with a good single 500gb drive and later add a second SSD. Hard drives make me cry in 2019. 

[Cyracus]

1 minute ago, Sorenson said:

I agree with having windows on a second drive, however I would rather start with a good single 500gb drive and later add a second SSD. Hard drives make me cry in 2019. 

but OP has a handful of games they want to play, 500gb goes just a little too quick and being on a budget, and well spinning storage is considerably cheaper. Guess the important thing is giving the OP good options so they can decide for themselves

[NoobGuy]

Hi and thanks for your suggestions.

 

I see that you used PC Part Picker...I spent weeks on going through 5-6 computer shop websites, creating those Excel tables that I attached, with all those parts, their specs and current prices in RSD (best price of all shops was picked) , in order to list every single piece that can be bought here under the defined price limit, so that you could see my options and calculate in RSD - precisely. I feel like it's been for nothing...Now I have to check all those shops again to see if they sell parts that you listed and to see if that combination fits into my budget...

 

Fasauce suggested 128 GB + 1TB, while Cyracus suggests 500 GB SSD. Isn't 128GB too small? Maybe if only system and basic things are on there...but if I install few modern games that require high speeds of reading/writing, it's going to fill quickly...and if I get only a single 500 GB SSD and install everything on it, then it will filled quickly + it won't be utilized, because things that don't requre SSD speeds will be using it. That's why I suggested 250 GB SSD + 1 TB HDD, even though 1 TB might be too much, maybe 250 + 500?

 

Also Fasauce suggested 8 GB RAM. Today, Steam suggests 16 GB RAM for some games...isn't that too low, considering that I don't plan on upgrading in the next 5 years?