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ASRock AB350 Pro 4

MSI B350 PC MATE

MSI B350 Gaming Plus

MSI B350 Mortar Arctic

ASRock B450 Pro 4

ASRock Fatality Gaming K4

MSI B350 Tomahawk

Asus ROG Strix B350-F

MSI B350 Gaming Pro Carbon

 

Which has the best vrm, power delivery, etc. for overclocking? I'm planning to overclock R3 2200G and possibly 3rd/4th gen Ryzen in the future.  My current pick is between B450 Pro 4 and Strix B350-F

P.S. I included mostly B350 because B450 are somehow overpriced in Germany.

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18 minutes ago, Dreadnought said:

P.S. I included mostly B350 because B450 are somehow overpriced in Germany.

Great, MSI did much better on their B450 boards' use of materials and you do that. Now you end up with all the crap boards.

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Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

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You'd want to go MSI B450 because of the VRM-s and other features.

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43 minutes ago, Dreadnought said:

Sorted from low to high:

ASRock AB350 Pro 4

MSI B350 PC MATE

MSI B350 Gaming Plus

MSI B350 Mortar Arctic

ASRock B450 Pro 4

ASRock Fatality Gaming K4

MSI B350 Tomahawk

Asus ROG Strix B350-F

MSI B350 Gaming Pro Carbon

 

Which has the best vrm, power delivery, etc. for overclocking? I'm planning to overclock R3 2200G and possibly 3rd/4th gen Ryzen in the future.  My current pick is between B450 Pro 4 and Strix B350-F

P.S. I included mostly B350 because B450 are somehow overpriced in Germany.

I kinda got the same question and thus looking for the answer:
The only thing is I want 2700X..

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22 minutes ago, Anonymous3D said:

I kinda got the same question and thus looking for the answer:
The only thing is I want 2700X..

All of these boards are too weak for 2700X. Period.

 

13 minutes ago, Dreadnought said:

But which one is the best out of all the "crap"?

As far as performance goes (and only performance), Asus B350-F sucked the least in CPU power, but Asrock has more phases in the SOC part so better GPU overclocking. Asrock uses less of worse mosfets in the CPU part so that's definitely a no, while MSI has software support problems with their B350 and X370 boards from the start, not as good of a BIOS as Asus and their VRM heatsinks are worse. However the B350-F cost the most so it's not even good value either.

 

tl;dr: the Asus B350-F sucks the least, which is expected as it also has the highest price.

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10 minutes ago, Anonymous3D said:

What are you suggesting then?

 

9 minutes ago, Anonymous3D said:

how about X470 GAMING PLUS????

X470 Gaming Plus is indeed the minimum for 2700X, but the B450 Tomahawk and Gaming Pro Carbon (also Mortar on mATX side) do even better. Gigabyte Aorus ultra gaming and Asus B450-F and X470 Prime Pro are all worse than these MSI boards until you're talking about PBO overclocking, which unfortunately all of them have their own problems.

 

3 minutes ago, Dreadnought said:

are you referring to Asus or MSI B350 & X370?

MSI ones are even worse than the already bad Asus, so to say. Comparing those to what Asrock uses on their Pro4 boards, Asus and MSI ones on B350 and X370 are more like decorations.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

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SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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23 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

All of these boards are too weak for 2700X. Period.

 

Bollocks. I have 2700x with B450 gaming pro carbon and works a treat.

 

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4 minutes ago, Anonymous3D said:

Guys I really Appreciate the Help, but this is really getting confusing
some say MSI is Better Some others say is worse

what should we do

Just get the MSI B450 Tomahawk or Gaming Pro Carbon if you can, they're cheaper and better than some X470.

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16 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

X470 Gaming Plus is indeed the minimum for 2700X, but the B450 Tomahawk and Gaming Pro Carbon (also Mortar on mATX side) do even better. Gigabyte Aorus ultra gaming and Asus B450-F and X470 Prime Pro are all worse than these MSI boards until you're talking about PBO overclocking, which unfortunately all of them have their own problems.

 

MSI ones are even worse than the already bad Asus, so to say. Comparing those to what Asrock uses on their Pro4 boards, Asus and MSI ones on B350 and X370 are more like decorations.

Oh and I forgot to mention MSI B450-A Pro, I've heard that this board is basically B450 Tomahawk, just without some flashy stuff. Is it true?

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Most B350 boards will perform very similar to one another. I rock a Gigabyte B350 board and it performs fantastic. I would go with the B450 board from that list, The B450 lineup was released along with Zen+ and support slightly higher RAM speeds. If you get a B350 board ENSURE it is "Ryzen 2000 ready", it should be advertised somewhere. The reason I have a B350 is because I used to own a Ryzen 7 1700. I had to update my bios with the R7 chip before the Zen+ R5 chip would work in my B350.

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10 hours ago, Stormseeker9 said:

Bollocks. I have 2700x with B450 gaming pro carbon and works a treat.

B350 Carbon and B450 Carbon are very different in their power delivery and VRM heatsink. The former is a joke, the latter is serious.

 

10 hours ago, Anonymous3D said:

Guys I really Appreciate the Help, but this is really getting confusing
some say MSI is Better Some others say is worse

what should we do

It takes time for what MSI screwed up in the past to recover. Before MSI start doing good there's Gigabyte and only Gigabyte if you want a good mid range board. Recent reviews shows MSI B450 and X470 boards to perform very well though, even in software.

 

10 hours ago, Dreadnought said:

Oh and I forgot to mention MSI B450-A Pro, I've heard that this board is basically B450 Tomahawk, just without some flashy stuff. Is it true?

B450-A Pro has worse (but still alright) VRM heatsinks and none of that RGB stuff, also difference in I/O which I didnt bother to check. Same VRM itself though, so if you can get it it's a good option. You can also say it's the cheapest ATX board that can handle a 2nd gen Ryzen 7 overclocked fine.

 

5 hours ago, Brent744 said:

I rock a Gigabyte B350 board and it performs fantastic.

You're very brave on that, using a board with low-end VRM components and no heatsink for them at all. Got a sneaking suspicion that running Prime95 can shutdown your system.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

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SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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On 2/22/2019 at 12:56 AM, Jurrunio said:

You can also say it's the cheapest ATX board that can handle a 2nd gen Ryzen 7 overclocked fine. 

Can the ROG Strix B350 handle overclocked R5 2600/R7 2700? Because strangely, it cost the same as MSI B450-A Pro ($110).

Also, based on the leaks, Ryzen 7 3700 only has the TDP of 95W and R5 3600 only has 65W, which is quite reasonable because more modern hardware should be more power efficient.

P.S. I don't think I'll buy R7 3700/3700X, it's just an example. R5 3600/3600X with its 8C/16T will be more than enough for me.

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12 minutes ago, Dreadnought said:

Can the ROG Strix B350 handle overclocked R5 2600/R7 2700? Because strangely, it cost the same as MSI B450-A Pro ($110).

Also, based on the leaks, Ryzen 7 3700 only has the TDP of 95W and R5 3600 only has 65W, which is quite reasonable because more modern hardware should be more power efficient.

P.S. I don't think I'll buy R7 3700/3700X, it's just an example. R5 3600/3600X with its 8C/16T will be more than enough for me.

it can, but the VRM is just worse in every way so that's not my preferred board.

 

I'm not certain if TDP on 3rd gen Ryzen still works the same way as it did on 2nd gen or how power draw is related to heat output, but I do know it only applies to CPUs running at stock. 2700 has 65w TDP and 2700X has 105W TDP but both pull 150W easily when overclocked. I don't know how much power a maxed out 3rd gen Ryzen will pull. More efficient doesnt mean less power draw, it could mean slightly more power draw for a lot more performance as well.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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27 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

it can, but the VRM is just worse in every way so that's not my preferred board. 

 

I'm not certain if TDP on 3rd gen Ryzen still works the same way as it did on 2nd gen or how power draw is related to heat output, but I do know it only applies to CPUs running at stock. 2700 has 65w TDP and 2700X has 105W TDP but both pull 150W easily when overclocked. I don't know how much power a maxed out 3rd gen Ryzen will pull. More efficient doesnt mean less power draw, it could mean slightly more power draw for a lot more performance as well.

Okay so let's say I don't overclock R7 2700 or R5 3600, both are 65W, it should be fine, right?

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1 hour ago, Dreadnought said:

Okay so let's say I don't overclock R7 2700 or R5 3600, both are 65W, it should be fine, right?

Yes

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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