Compatibility-Ryzen 2600x

[David_Kwan]

Hi guys, 

 

So what are your thoughts on these 3 components?

 

CPU: Ryzen 5 2600x

Mobo: Gigabyte X470 AORUS GAMING 5 WIFI

RAM: 16GB of G.Skill Trident Z RGB 3200Mhz

 

The GPU I'm planning to pair it with is either an RTX 2060 or an RTX 2070.

Case I'm planning to get is the Cooler Master H500M.

 

So is there sufficient internal headers for the case?(There's a type C front port) 

Will either RTX cards go well with the 2600x?

And is the stock cooler enough if I want to oc the CPU?

 

My goal is for 1080p gaming at max settings. And maybe a little 1440p gaming with high settings. (Depending on which GPU I get I'm content with just 1080p gaming.)

 

Please note this will be my first PC(but don't know when I will buy the parts. I may try to wait for 3rd gen Ryzen cpus). Also I have little understanding to compatibility of the parts.

Thanks in advance!

[TheSLSAMG]

Everything will go together fine (including the case's front USB-C port), though I would get a better CPU cooler for overclocking purposes. The stock cooler is good for stock operation, but I wouldn't really overclock on it. A 120mm tower cooler such as the Arctic Freezer 33 eSports Edition or the Hyper 212X would do nicely for a mix of performance and price. As for RTX cards, they will go nicely with the system and even an RTX 2060 should be able to do what you want for most games.

[Crunchy Dragon]

5 minutes ago, TheSLSAMG said:

The stock cooler is good for stock operation, but I wouldn't really overclock on it

I have a 1600 and I can overclock just fine on the stock cooler.

 

The new generation of Wraith coolers aren't the ones we had with the FX series, they're actually really decent stock cooling solutions compared to AMD's past(and Intel's past/present)

[ch3w2oy]

The Gaming 5 is great motherboard, other than the VRMs, but with a 2600X, you will be fine. I used the X470 Gaming 5 motherboard myself before I ended up with the Gaming 7, and I had absolutely no problems running benchmarks and a few stress tests. The WIFI is fast, as fast as using the Ethernet port, assuming you have a decent router (unless you have the fastest internet service in the world along with a modem that can handle it), It has plenty of internal headers and will be fine for using USB type-C on the case. I didn't have any problems with it, but there are plenty of negative reviews stating they got locked out of the BIOS and couldn't use the board after that, but you'll probably fine. If you didn't already purchase it, however, there are better options (if you already purchased it, do not worry about it).

[KarathKasun]

19 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

I have a 1600 and I can overclock just fine on the stock cooler.

 

The new generation of Wraith coolers aren't the ones we had with the FX series, they're actually really decent stock cooling solutions compared to AMD's past(and Intel's past/present)

FX-8000 series stock coolers were actually very good, they just had a noisy fan on them... and the CPU they were bundled with put out ~140w of thermal energy.

 

R5 2600x stock cooler is actually pretty bad.  The only saving grace is that Ryzen does not run hellishly hot like FX.

[David_Kwan]

1 minute ago, ChewToy! said:

The Gaming 5 is great motherboard, other than the VRMs, but with a 2600X, you will be fine. I used the X470 Gaming 5 motherboard myself before I ended up with the Gaming 7, and I had absolutely no problems running benchmarks and a few stress tests. The WIFI is fast, as fast as using the Ethernet port, assuming you have a decent router (unless you have the fastest internet service in the world along with a modem that can handle it), It has plenty of internal headers and will be fine for using USB type-C on the case. I didn't have any problems with it, but there are plenty of negative reviews stating they got locked out of the BIOS and couldn't use the board after that, but you'll probably fine. If you didn't already purchase it, however, there are better options (if you already purchased it, do not worry about it).

I haven't purchased it yet, that's why I want advice on these kind of small things I didn't know about. I'm planning on building my first PC but struggling to find the right components. (I'm a complete noob here). So would the Gaming 7 be better for; say 5 years down the road? And is there enough headers for the H500M for this motherboard as well?

Main reason for building my first PC is for gaming obviously, but I can't help but feel that the 8600k is better as I've seen some tests on Youtube and it beats the 2600x in all the tests(more fps). And then there's the 3rd generation CPUs... I really want to get into PC gaming(Anthem) but would you recommend me to wait for the 3rd gen Ryzen CPUs launch?

3 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

FX-8000 series stock coolers were actually very good, they just had a noisy fan on them.

 

R5 2600x stock cooler is actually pretty bad.  The only saving grace is that Ryzen does not run hellishly hot like FX.

 

21 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

I have a 1600 and I can overclock just fine on the stock cooler.

 

The new generation of Wraith coolers aren't the ones we had with the FX series, they're actually really decent stock cooling solutions compared to AMD's past(and Intel's past/present)

 

27 minutes ago, TheSLSAMG said:

Everything will go together fine (including the case's front USB-C port), though I would get a better CPU cooler for overclocking purposes. The stock cooler is good for stock operation, but I wouldn't really overclock on it. A 120mm tower cooler such as the Arctic Freezer 33 eSports Edition or the Hyper 212X would do nicely for a mix of performance and price. As for RTX cards, they will go nicely with the system and even an RTX 2060 should be able to do what you want for most games.

I've seen some good reviews on the Hyper 212x, I may go for that one. The Hyper 212x will fit no problems in the case?

[Crunchy Dragon]

Just now, David_Kwan said:

I've seen some good reviews on the Hyper 212x, I may go for that one. The Hyper 212x will fit no problems in the case?

Yeah, that'll fit.

[ch3w2oy]

21 minutes ago, David_Kwan said:

I haven't purchased it yet, that's why I want advice on these kind of small things I didn't know about. I'm planning on building my first PC but struggling to find the right components. (I'm a complete noob here). So would the Gaming 7 be better for; say 5 years down the road? And is there enough headers for the H500M for this motherboard as well?

Main reason for building my first PC is for gaming obviously, but I can't help but feel that the 8600k is better as I've seen some tests on Youtube and it beats the 2600x in all the tests(more fps). And then there's the 3rd generation CPUs... I really want to get into PC gaming(Anthem) but would you recommend me to wait for the 3rd gen Ryzen CPUs launch?

It's up to you if you want to wait. I built my PC not even two months ago, but I built it with all intentions on upgrading to the Ryzen 3. I got my 2600X for the same price as a 2600 on  Black Friday, otherwise I was getting the 2600, which I recommend on doing if you plan on upgrading like me within the next year. It also provides near identical performance to the 2600X if you overclock it a bit. If you don't want to upgrade and/or don't care to overclock then the 2600X is fine, but I wouldn't pay more than $200 for it.

 

The Gaming 7 is the best Motherboard I have used so far as it has the most internal headers and it's performance is on par with the other high end boards. I have experience with B450 Strix, X470-F Strix, X470 Gaming 5, X470 Crosshair VII Wifi and now the X470 Gaming 7. I went from each of these looking for the best board to fit my needs, and while I chose the Gaming 7 originally to help lower my costs for other parts, it has become my goto motherboard. I like the Crosshair VII Wifi the second most as you just can't beat the performance you get out of it (barely marginial, but better nonetheless), but after using the Gaming 7, I just wont go back to it, there's no reason when the Gaming 7 has more headers/features of pretty much everything (fans, USB 2.0/3.0, Temp sensors, etc..), offers practically the same performance (IMO), and also, the RGB is better. Aura Sync is just hyped up garbage, and I have first hand experience with this so there's nothing anyone can say that will change my mind.

 

The Gaming 7, IMO, has the best value out of ALL the high end boards, I compared each one and it really does offer the best bang for the buck. Unless you can get the Taichi under $200 (no experience with this one but heard it's great). It is also great if you plan to use it with your upgraded Ryzen 3, as I plan to, as it has great VRMs and shouldn't have any trouble handling the new high end processors. It does have the USB Type C front panel connector you're looking for, I think all or at least most X470/B450 Motherboards do.

 

If you don't want to spend over $200 and want a board that will be great for upgrades I would look at the Arock Taichi (if it's on sale, it goes back and forth under/above the $200 range) and the X470-F Strix. Sometimes you can find the Taichi for the same price as the Gaming 5. For future upgrades, I would stick to X470, though, don't really consider B450 unless it's MSI.

 

^^ Just my opinion and nothing stated should be taken as fact, it always helps to verify things yourself 

 

If you can wait the X570 might offer better value but I don't think it's necessary.

[David_Kwan]

2 hours ago, ChewToy! said:

It's up to you if you want to wait. I built my PC not even two months ago, but I built it with all intentions on upgrading to the Ryzen 3. I got my 2600X for the same price as a 2600 on  Black Friday, otherwise I was getting the 2600, which I recommend on doing if you plan on upgrading like me within the next year. It also provides near identical performance to the 2600X if you overclock it a bit. If you don't want to upgrade and/or don't care to overclock then the 2600X is fine, but I wouldn't pay more than $200 for it.

 

The Gaming 7 is the best Motherboard I have used so far as it has the most internal headers and it's performance is on par with the other high end boards. I have experience with B450 Strix, X470-F Strix, X470 Gaming 5, X470 Crosshair VII Wifi and now the X470 Gaming 7. I went from each of these looking for the best board to fit my needs, and while I chose the Gaming 7 originally to help lower my costs for other parts, it has become my goto motherboard. I like the Crosshair VII Wifi the second most as you just can't beat the performance you get out of it (barely marginial, but better nonetheless), but after using the Gaming 7, I just wont go back to it, there's no reason when the Gaming 7 has more headers/features of pretty much everything (fans, USB 2.0/3.0, Temp sensors, etc..), offers practically the same performance (IMO), and also, the RGB is better. Aura Sync is just hyped up garbage, and I have first hand experience with this so there's nothing anyone can say that will change my mind.

 

The Gaming 7, IMO, has the best value out of ALL the high end boards, I compared each one and it really does offer the best bang for the buck. Unless you can get the Taichi under $200 (no experience with this one but heard it's great). It is also great if you plan to use it with your upgraded Ryzen 3, as I plan to, as it has great VRMs and shouldn't have any trouble handling the new high end processors. It does have the USB Type C front panel connector you're looking for, I think all or at least most X470/B450 Motherboards do.

 

If you don't want to spend over $200 and want a board that will be great for upgrades I would look at the Arock Taichi (if it's on sale, it goes back and forth under/above the $200 range) and the X470-F Strix. Sometimes you can find the Taichi for the same price as the Gaming 5. For future upgrades, I would stick to X470, though, don't really consider B450 unless it's MSI.

 

^^ Just my opinion and nothing stated should be taken as fact, it always helps to verify things yourself 

 

If you can wait the X570 might offer better value but I don't think it's necessary.

I'm honestly not sure if I will upgrade to 3rd gen Ryzen as soon as it comes out. But if I do then hopefully the gaming 7 will be a good match for the new CPUs. What you say makes sense. It wouldn't make sense to buy a 2600x for 5-6 months only to change it for the coming 3xxx cpu (it's not like I have a lot of money on hand...). I may not dabble into cpu overclocking at all so I guess 2600x would suit my needs perfectly. The site I may buy it from currently has the 2600x for 300aud which is I think around 215usd.... I'm from the South Pacific so I can't get any parts for around the price you mentioned. I'm using PBTech.com to buy the parts as they are based in New Zealand and is much closer to where I live. If you think that price for a 2600x is still too much I can wait for more special deals. I doubt I can wait though, I really want to move on from my laptop and onto a desktop PC right now. And I want to play Anthem as soon as it's released .

 

Then again... the rumors for the new 3rd gen cpus look reeeaall tempting. Having an 8C16T cpu for much lower than what the 9900k costs would be sooo sweet. But that's always the case every year now I think. Things will keep getting better. And this year looks especially good.

[ch3w2oy]

1 minute ago, David_Kwan said:

I'm honestly not sure if I will upgrade to 3rd gen Ryzen as soon as it comes out. But if I do then hopefully the gaming 7 will be a good match for the new CPUs. What you say makes sense. It wouldn't make sense to buy a 2600x for 5-6 months only to change it for the coming 3xxx cpu (it's not like I have a lot of money on hand...). I may not dabble into cpu overclocking at all so I guess 2600x would suit my needs perfectly. The site I may buy it from currently has the 2600x for 300aud which is I think around 215usd.... I'm from the South Pacific so I can't get any parts for around the price you mentioned. I'm using PBTech.com to buy the parts as they are based in New Zealand and is much closer to where I live. If you think that price for a 2600x is still too much I can wait for more special deals. I doubt I can wait though, I really want to move on from my laptop and onto a desktop PC right now. And I want to play Anthem as soon as it's released .

 

Then again... the rumors for the new 3rd gen cpus look reeeaall tempting. Having an 8C16T cpu for much lower than what the 9900k costs would be sooo sweet. But that's always the case every year now I think. Things will keep getting better. And this year looks especially good.

Yea, the 3rd gen is looking pretty good, but there's still a lot we don't know. I love my build with the 2600X, I used Samsung B-Die memory to ensure speed and responsiveness, and I must say, it's a GREAT computer! I'm a web designer and I love how fast this PC is compared to my laptop (I came from a GE72VR). I don't really need to upgrade to Zen 2, but I just really want to, lol. The 2600X will be a great PC for years and you'll have no problem gaming on it. So I would just get the 2600X and build you're PC, if you decide in a year or two that you would like to upgrade, you'll be just fine knowing that you chose a great motherboard.

 

I'm not the type of person that likes waiting, so I would just get the 2600X now if it's within budget.

[David_Kwan]

17 minutes ago, ChewToy! said:

Yea, the 3rd gen is looking pretty good, but there's still a lot we don't know. I love my build with the 2600X, I used Samsung B-Die memory to ensure speed and responsiveness, and I must say, it's a GREAT computer! I'm a web designer and I love how fast this PC is compared to my laptop (I came from a GE72VR). I don't really need to upgrade to Zen 2, but I just really want to, lol. The 2600X will be a great PC for years and you'll have no problem gaming on it. So I would just get the 2600X and build you're PC, if you decide in a year or two that you would like to upgrade, you'll be just fine knowing that you chose a great motherboard.

 

I'm not the type of person that likes waiting, so I would just get the 2600X now if it's within budget.

Lol. I looked up your laptop and it is way better than mine. My current powerhouse laptop is the Lenovo G40-70. I had zero knowledge on computer hardware when I bought this 4 years ago. Wished I was more knowledgeable at that time...

 

If the rumors to 3rd gen Ryzen are true I may upgrade a couple of months after it's released. I can't imagine an 8C16T cpu for under $250USD. But if it does come out with that price tag I will upgrade for sure.

[ch3w2oy]

3 minutes ago, David_Kwan said:

Lol. I looked up your laptop and it is way better than mine. My current powerhouse laptop is the Lenovo G40-70. I had zero knowledge on computer hardware when I bought this 4 years ago. Wished I was more knowledgeable at that time...

Well that just goes to show how great my 2600X PC actually is .

 

3 minutes ago, David_Kwan said:

If the rumors to 3rd gen Ryzen are true I may upgrade a couple of months after it's released. I can't imagine an 8C16T cpu for under $250USD. But if it does come out with that price tag I will upgrade for sure.

Absolutely. I think they will have something worth it either way. If you don't mind doing a slight overclock on the 2600, that's what I would buy. It's really simple so don't be afraid.

[David_Kwan]

18 minutes ago, ChewToy! said:

Well that just goes to show how great my 2600X PC actually is .

 

Absolutely. I think they will have something worth it either way. If you don't mind doing a slight overclock on the 2600, that's what I would buy. It's really simple so don't be afraid.

Well I read a couple of overclocking guides and is it true that there is little risk in overclocking? As long as you increase the clock and voltage by small increments?

I just don't want to fry any of the hardware. What's the average max oc for a 2600? Can it also reach 4.2 like your 2600x?

[ch3w2oy]

7 minutes ago, David_Kwan said:

Well I read a couple of overclocking guides and is it true that there is little risk in overclocking? As long as you increase the clock and voltage by small increments?

I just don't want to fry any of the hardware. What's the average max oc for a 2600? Can it also reach 4.2 like your 2600x?

The 2600X might be binned a little better but should have no problem getting 4.1+ on a 2600. You wont fry your equipment, just start with a small overclock and increase the voltage/multiplier alitte each time until your PC crashes while stress testing it. After it crashes bump whichever one you just changed back down a peg and run the test again. Do these for each one (I wouldn't change both at the same time as you wont know which caused the failure). I just set my voltage to around 1.42-1.45 and figure out the best multiplier I can get and after it doesn't crash anymore with my multiplier overclock, I then start bringing the voltage down until it does crash again and then I raise it back up. I think mine is around 1.38/9 right now. 1.45 wont harm anything, but you probably shouldn't leave it there 24/7.

[David_Kwan]

14 minutes ago, ChewToy! said:

The 2600X might be binned a little better but should have no problem getting 4.1+ on a 2600. You wont fry your equipment, just start with a small overclock and increase the voltage/multiplier alitte each time until your PC crashes while stress testing it. After it crashes bump whichever one you just changed back down a peg and run the test again. Do these for each one (I wouldn't change both at the same time as you wont know which caused the failure). I just set my voltage to around 1.42-1.45 and figure out the best multiplier I can get and after it doesn't crash anymore with my multiplier overclock, I then start bringing the voltage down until it does crash again and then I raise it back up. I think mine is around 1.38/9 right now. 1.45 wont harm anything, but you probably shouldn't leave it there 24/7.

Will overclocking force the cpu to remain at that oc'd frequency all the time? Or is it just increasing the upper limit of the frequency?

So when you play games you'll hit the oc'd frequency during gameplay. Or when doing cpu intensive tasks.

[ch3w2oy]

Just now, David_Kwan said:

Will overclocking force the cpu to remain at that oc'd frequency all the time? Or is it just increasing the upper limit of the frequency?

So when you play games you'll hit the oc'd frequency during gameplay. Or when doing cpu intensive tasks.

Overclocking the multiplier will force the CPU to run at that frequency all the time. This isn't a problem as it's just the frequency, it's not like it's under 100% load all the time or anything. You're basically just ensuring the CPU runs at highest frequency possible, all the time. This is what you would have to do on the 2600. On the 2600X, it automatically boosts to 4.2 on it's own since it utilizes PBO/XFR2, but not all the time. I pretty much have those disabled since I'm overclocking and running at a set frequency and find that I get better performance with a stable overclock. I also don't think that PBO/XFR2 will boost all the cores to 4.2, but only one or two cores. Overclocking is basically free performance and it wont degrade your CPU. Overclocking your RAM is also important with Ryzen, I used Ryzen Calculator and entered all my timings manually to optimize performance. RAM is just as important with Ryzen. Don't worry, that's not too challenging either.

 

Doing this in BIOS will ensure the PC runs like this all the time, if you use software like Gigabytes Easy Tune or Ryzen Master, it only overclocks the CPU when the software is running inside windows (I don't like this as it uses more resources, but is fine for testing so that you don't have to keep entering BIOS).

 

It usually goes like this, 2600 if you don't mind overclocking and 2600X if you don't want to overclock. If you're upgrading in the next year, you wont see a difference in an overclocked 2600 vs a non overclocked 2600X.

[KarathKasun]

12 minutes ago, David_Kwan said:

Will overclocking force the cpu to remain at that oc'd frequency all the time? Or is it just increasing the upper limit of the frequency?

So when you play games you'll hit the oc'd frequency during gameplay. Or when doing cpu intensive tasks.

 

1 minute ago, ChewToy! said:

Overclocking the multiplier will force the CPU to run at that frequency all the time. This isn't a problem as it's just the frequency, it's not like it's under 100% load all the time or anything. You're basically just ensuring the CPU runs at highest frequency possible, all the time. This is what you would have to do on the 2600. On the 2600X, it automatically boosts to 4.2 on it's own since it utilizes PBO/XFR2, but not all the time. I pretty much have those disabled since I'm overclocking and running at a set frequency and find that I get better performance with a stable overclock. I also don't think that PBO/XFR2 will boost all the cores to 4.2, but only one or two cores. Overclocking is basically free performance and it wont degrade your CPU. Overclocking your RAM is also important with Ryzen, I used Ryzen Calculator and entered all my timings manually to optimize performance. RAM is just as important with Ryzen. Don't worry, that's not too challenging either.

 

Doing this in BIOS will ensure the PC runs like this all the time, if you use software like Gigabytes Easy Tune or Ryzen Master, it only overclocks the CPU when the software is running inside windows (I don't like this as it uses more resources, but is fine for testing so that you don't have to keep entering BIOS).

 

It usually goes like this, 2600 if you don't mind overclocking and 2600X if you don't want to overclock. If you're upgrading in the next year, you wont see a difference in an overclocked 2600 vs a non overclocked 2600X.

No.

 

You have to specifically set the system up to remain locked at the maximum frequency/voltage.

 

Generally in Windows you can set the minimum processor state to 0% and it will idle with minimal frequency/voltage.

[David_Kwan]

4 minutes ago, ChewToy! said:

Overclocking the multiplier will force the CPU to run at that frequency all the time. This isn't a problem as it's just the frequency, it's not like it's under 100% load all the time or anything. You're basically just ensuring the CPU runs at highest frequency possible, all the time. This is what you would have to do on the 2600. On the 2600X, it automatically boosts to 4.2 on it's own since it utilizes PBO/XFR2, but not all the time. I pretty much have those disabled since I'm overclocking and running at a set frequency and find that I get better performance with a stable overclock. I also don't think that PBO/XFR2 will boost all the cores to 4.2, but only one or two cores. Overclocking is basically free performance and it wont degrade your CPU. Overclocking your RAM is also important with Ryzen, I used Ryzen Calculator and entered all my timings manually to optimize performance. RAM is just as important with Ryzen. Don't worry, that's not too challenging either.

 

Doing this in BIOS will ensure the PC runs like this all the time, if you use software like Gigabytes Easy Tune or Ryzen Master, it only overclocks the CPU when the software is running inside windows (I don't like this as it uses more resources, but is fine for testing so that you don't have to keep entering BIOS).

 

It usually goes like this, 2600 if you don't mind overclocking and 2600X if you don't want to overclock. If you're upgrading in the next year, you wont see a difference in an overclocked 2600 vs a non overclocked 2600X.

 

3 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

 

No.

 

You have to specifically set the system up to remain locked at the maximum frequency/voltage.

I think overclocking is a little too much for me at this point. I'll just go with the 2600x. I can watch some tutorials if I ever want to do overclocking in the future, but not as I am right now lol.

[ch3w2oy]

2 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

 

No.

 

You have to specifically set the system up to remain locked at the maximum frequency/voltage.

 

Generally in Windows you can set the minimum processor state to 0% and it will idle with minimal frequency/voltage.

Really? Maybe you should explain instead of just saying no because my minimum power state is at 40% right now and my overclock remains at 4.25 according to CPU-Z and HWInfo.

[ch3w2oy]

1 minute ago, David_Kwan said:

 

I think overclocking is a little too much for me at this point. I'll just go with the 2600x. I can watch some tutorials if I ever want to do overclocking in the future, but not as I am right now lol.

Nothing wrong with that.

[KarathKasun]

7 minutes ago, ChewToy! said:

Really? Maybe you should explain instead of just saying no because my minimum power state is at 40% right now and my overclock remains at 4.25 according to CPU-Z and HWInfo.

If you disable CnQ, yeah, it will stay locked.

 

You can oc with power saving stuff still enabled and have ~1.5ghz or so idle clocks with low voltage.

[ch3w2oy]

9 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

If you disable CnQ, yeah, it will stay locked.

 

You can oc with power saving stuff still enabled and have ~1.5ghz or so idle clocks with low voltage.

My Cool & Quiet is enabled  

[KarathKasun]

21 minutes ago, ChewToy! said:

My Cool & Quiet is enabled  

Many newer boards support offset/p-state overclocking, but the X470 Gaming 7 is broken in this regard.  Even if you set it up properly, it still just locks the voltage to max.

[ch3w2oy]

6 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

Many newer boards support offset/p-state overclocking, but the X470 Gaming 7 is broken in this regard.  Even if you set it up properly, it still just locks the voltage to max.

I see.