Windows 9 coming in 2015?

[cooperb21]

What is your guys take on this i was hoping for update but rumour is beta or alpha testing this year and there bushing for windows 9 in april 2015.

 

It really sucks for windows 8 users that they wont get start button unless they update.. should been a another update to 8.2 

[Guest]

What is your guys take on this i was hoping for update but rumour is beta or alpha testing this year and there bushing for windows 9 in april 2015.

 

It really sucks for windows 8 users that they wont get start button unless they update.. should been a another update to 8.2 

um... classic shell. start is back... 

[BallisticPeanut]

I think they should just fix Windows 8 instead of completely abandoning it.  I'm still running on Windows 7 and even my netbook running on Windows XP works perfectly fine, we don't need another Windows operating system.

[Hikaru12]

Microsoft is trying to copy OSX in their quicker release cycles which I don't agree with. I usually always upgrade after a good 6 months have passed to get the feel for it but I do wish they would at least stay releasing service packs for 5 years or something like they did for XP.

[IdeaStormer]

I "heard" a rumor that not only is the Start menu gone but the Desktop has been replaced with some 3D ultra reality engine to help visualize your apps and files, no more icons for files and folders for Directories but some kind of Linked List hierarchy in 3D, Apps will float in 3D space till you can grab it to use it, you will also be able visualize the inter app communications.

 

Remember, "heard" and a rumor.

[Rekx]

I "heard" a rumor that not only is the Start menu gone but the Desktop has been replaced with some 3D ultra reality engine to help visualize your apps and files, no more icons for files and folders for Directories but some kind of Linked List hierarchy in 3D, Apps will float in 3D space till you can grab it to use it, you will also be able visualize the inter app communications.

Remember, "heard" and a rumor.

Dont see that happen, but hey maybe Microsoft has gone insane.

This news just came in. The next Windows will be like OSX ;-)

[TheProfosist]

I think there is another thread about this that ive already posted quite a bit in.

[batool100]

Window 9 will be latest and heavy window in the future. It will come in 2015.

[Guest]

Microsoft is trying to copy OSX in their quicker release cycles which I don't agree with. I usually always upgrade after a good 6 months have passed to get the feel for it but I do wish they would at least stay releasing service packs for 5 years or something like they did for XP.

Windows 8 has a longer gap from 7 thN vista to 7

[IdeaStormer]

Window 9 will be latest and heavy window in the future. It will come in 2015.

 

You calling it FAT?

[maxvons]

I'm hoping Windows 9 will be to Windows 8, what Windows 7 was to Windows Vista. If so, I will purchase it on release.

[GoodBytes]

It is very unlikely that the Start Menu will return. If anything, it will be a new Start Menu. The Start Screen is powerful, and allows things that were simply not possible with the old Start Menu.

The learning curve is steep and many choose to not learn it. That's their issue. But putting the Start Menu back is a huge step backward.

 

What I can tell you is that, as businesses follow a 6 year upgrade cycle. Expect Windows 9 to be more enterprise and power user focused, than user focused and innovative. That is how Microsoft operated since ages. The exception was XP, due to the development of Vista (ie: restarting pretty much everything from scratch).

And because businesses has many computers, this is where you'll see market share of Windows actually jump. Computer enthusiast (us) often forget that while we are vocal, we are still a very small group. Assuming we all upgrade our personal computers to Windows 8, I don't expect it to make much an increase to Windows 8 market share. As for the average users. The great majority find upgrading the OS, too complicated and risky. Already it is, for them, for applications. So they just use what they get with their new computer.

 

Windows 8 direction was excellent. Just recently, people are seeing the advance of running Windows on a tablet. The Modern UI allows Windows 8 to not be an impossible to use OS on tablets (Windows XP, Vista, 7 were all a huge disaster on the tablet form factor... Already if you try Windows 8 desktop at 100% DPI on a 11inch tablet with your fingers... forget it. Windows 8 improved DPI, improved digitize pen support, and Modern UI makes the experience possible. It allows people to enjoy Windows 8 App on the Start Screen, and for those odd programs that don't exists on any tablet OS, they can have it on Windows tablet. Same for most company VPN system.

 

The Surface Pro 2 is selling very well, Not iPad sales, which is what everyone (the media) expect, but for a Windows system, from an OEM, it's selling well. Microsoft has trouble meeting the demand. Dell Venu 8 Pro is also selling pretty well. Lenovo Yoga 2 and Thinkpad Yoga are also attracting attention and sales.

 

You can say what you will about Windows 8 being not for desktop. People don't get desktop computer anymore. More and more businesses are switching to laptop + dock system. People don't want the big box anymore.It has 0 advantage for them (are they going to upgrade? nope. Its just a noisy big box). People want mobility. Even thought most of the time the device will probably be sitting on the table, they like to have the option to take all their things on the go. Including their programs they like.

 

Desktops are now for workstations, gamers, and power users. The day, we can fit dedicated GPU's in tablets without killing battery, creating massive heat, or made the device thick and heavy as a large and thick granite tile, with decent performance, expect many gamers to switch to it. Not to game on a tablet, of course not, but have a system that they can game at home, and do their own things on the go that isn't gaming. Already, if you check out Surface Pro forums, despite Intel integrated graphics, people uses it on the go for Solidworks, and similar programs to view or do light work, or work on a small project on the go.

 

All to say, if you expect the Start Menu form Windows 7 to come back, don't expect it, Move on, on be left behind.

[R4STABAN]

I'm still wondering what the hell schools are supposed to do.

 

We have nearly 300 desktops that will need upgrading in 2-3 years time. By then will there even be desktops to upgrade to?

 

Docks for 2 in 1s will get completely DESTROYED by kids.

 

Desktop usage will drop before then anyway as we will likely go 1:1 tablet solution with ipads.

[GoodBytes]

You have inexpensive All in one computers with touch. It also makes IT job a bit easier if they need to move them. 1 plug, usually have a handle to carry, so you carry the entire unit (screen and computer).

Remember that schools have deep discounted computers. And school usually get 3 to 5 year accidental damage protection on their systems.

 

One the jobs I worked as, was IT at a school, and they were able to get with 5 year warranty accidental damage protection, with monitor (also carries the same warranty), for a total of about 750$ after taxes, computers they featured: 120GD SSD (Samsung), powerful Core i5, and 8GB if RAM. I was amazed.And they were strongly build, and it's one of those small desktop form factors. To get something like this, with only 1 year warranty, you are looking at what, 1500$ before taxes? That's almost half price! OEMs don't mind taking a loss on computer because it's advertisement.

Apple goes to school and give them for free (or some really deep discount) if they sign an exclusivity contract. And that is why you have schools now with iMacs and even iPads for students. They clearly can't afford them, but they have them. Apple knows that the young students will get used to Mac, and that is what they'll buy later on, because that is what they know and find comfortable to use. This is cheap advertisement, with great success rate. Just takes time to see the effect.

 

So I would not be to worried about schools. And beside Windows 8 as it, runs fine on a desktop computer without touch. I am using it, and I have it on my laptop. I have no difficulty using it (after passing the learning curve), and enjoy it.

[R4STABAN]

^ There is no way on earth we will move to touchscreen workstations. That would be a disastrous idea! We would have to employ someone to go around cleaning them every day after the kids get their grubby mits on them.

 

The best we get in the UK is no tax as we are public sector (government). We get all our ipads from apple resellers. Apple don't visit schools here.

 

Windows 8 on desktops without touch screens would soon see all 3 of my team fired, so that's not happening. Some admin and teachers here can barely grasp windows 7.

[GoodBytes]

Schools have janitorial services. Usually they constitute of well trained professionals in cleaning, and possibly other services department where they work and their role.

The problem it could result is the spread of germs among students, but then again so the keyboard and mouse. I mean, did you ever go a school that even clean those. The best you get is a yearly cleaning, which is just a quick we, when they should be put, in their current state, in a dish washer, or incinerator. But students are fine.

 

You must also note that I have never said that keyboard and mouse is going anywhere. As I mentioned in other posts, I think that workstations and professionals will use touch and digitize pen as a possible COMPLIMENT to the keyboard and mouse. Much like when we passed to a graphical user interface computer. The keyboard didn't disappear when the mouse arrived. The mouse complimented the keyboard. I expect the future of computers, that touch and digitize pen will be additional input tools as ones position to interact with the system. No replacement. This will allow:

 -> Make the computer easier to use. As a (one of many) problems with computers today, with computer illiterate is understanding the relationship between moving an object (mouse) and what happens with the screen.

 -> Ability to draw, make quick graphs, make diagrams, make physics. DO these with a keyboard and mouse, and you'll see it will be time consuming. If you had a digitize pen (the good pen technology that artists uses) then this will make it as fast as in doing with paper and pen, which is significantly faster. Then you can let the computer do the math calculation, if you desire.

 -> And I think it will bring a new gaming concepts as well.

 

Now you might say... well GoodBytes, this all nice, but try to write with your monitor in front of you, not only you'll have a hard time, but your arm will be tired. Very true. But monitors will be more like the Wacom Cintiq, where the monitor stand allows you to have the monitor upright like a normal monitor, but you can bring it, without moving the base, close to you, over your keyboard, flat, and can draw and use touch.

 

As for teacher and admin having problems... If that was the case, believe me, you'll be still on MSDOS. Teachers and Admin needs to understand that it is part of their job to be technology knowledgeable to some level. Time have changed. Now, I don't know how things works in the U.K, but I think it would be safe to assume, that it's public it's not something you can demand from them, and they are to blame for limiting technology in class room, and miss use them, making them worthless. Already, most teacher have no idea how to do a power point presentation. and use PowerPoint to make their life easier, not the student... in fact make things worse for the student by a long shot.

 

You guys are on a 6 year year upgrade cycle, if I am not mistaken. So you wont' be upgrading to Windows 8, but Windows 9. By that time, Windows 8 will be to some level more familiar to the school. They would have at least seen it somewhere in action. Of course there will be a training process, which probably happened as well when you migrated to Win7. But sometimes things can surprise you.

For example, remember the Ribbon bar in Office? Every tech enthusiasts and IT people freaked out like no tomorrow, on how it will be hell, and people will be lost. Well, turns out that, this time, Microsoft research on it's new GUI design and tests concluded correctly on user reaction, and the switch was not particularly hard nor i support, but rather went very smoothly. People understand the layout more. You want to insert something, click on Insert, and you have all the possible options to insert something. No complex menu navigation. Even my mother, she used to reach me every time she wanted to do the simplest thing with Office. Such as making text bold, inserting an image, and so on. Since the switch to Office 2007, which I provided 0 training of explaining... beside saying it's the new office. That all stopped, and instead she was reaching me to show how things, which personally I would not have imaged her ever be able to pull it off.