RYZEN 7 OVERCLOCK HELP

[Be Healed in Jesus Name!]

So I currently got it to top out at 3000mhz ram from 2400mhz and 3.95. my cb score went from 1612 to 1720. I am stuck at 3.90 maxing on a cooler master 240L liquid cooler. The temps are maxing at 74, 75 and 38- low 40's idle : 

Specs : 

GIGABYTE AORUS GA-AX370-Gaming K7

4 GB Ballstics Sport 2400 OCED currently to 2800mhz, had it at 3000mhz (ordered 32 gb OF R.G.B ! 3000mhz)

RYZEN 7 1700 stock 3.0, Currently at 3.8, Maxed at 3.95  

 

So i have seen some break 4.1ghz and mine was at 3.95 like almost at 4.0 but would not cine-bench. it posted and booted at 1.4 vcore, 40x multiplier  

 

The question is this, what will make my system more stable? what other settings can i change to break 4.1 or even farther, i wanna go to 4.5ish for one cinebench run 

if possible but at least to 4.0ghz for 24/7 oc. 

 

 

[Fasauceome]

4 all core is very difficult, 3.95 is pretty great honestly. Win some, lose some in the silicon lottery.

[Streetguru]

3 minutes ago, Be Healed in Jesus Name! said:

 

You'd have to try increasing the voltage to like 1.425-1.45V

Really not worth it unless it's just for a few benchmark runs, you don't get rapid degradation until like 1.5V in any event, wouldn't go past 1.45V though
 

4hgz is hard for an R7 1700 unless you're super lucky. 4.2ghz is where a lot of 1800Xs hit a soft limit

Here's a voltage curve example
 

 

[Be Healed in Jesus Name!]

I had 3.95 at 1.385 volts ... so i tried every level 1.40 to 1.50 and could not get it stable at 4.0 which is making think there is something else going on here

[Be Healed in Jesus Name!]

3 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

4 all core is very difficult, 3.95 is pretty great honestly. Win some, lose some in the silicon lottery.

no way MAX RGB, MAX OVERCLOCK  its just being wierd i am saying my temps are fine, it just will not break 4.0 some other setting needs to be changed.. a guy who had the gaming 5 board and my exact cpu, basically same bios and chip, got it 4.1 but when inputed his settings mine would not post at 4.1

[Streetguru]

7 minutes ago, Be Healed in Jesus Name! said:

I had 3.95 at 1.385 volts ... so i tried every level 1.40 to 1.50 and could not get it stable at 4.0 which is making think there is something else going on here

Then your chip probably can't go higher than that without massive voltage increases. Or your VRM starts to get unstable past about 1.4V

You can try putting a fan over your VRM to cool it better

[Fasauceome]

2 minutes ago, Be Healed in Jesus Name! said:

no way MAX RGB, MAX OVERCLOCK  its just being wierd i am saying my temps are fine, it just will not break 4.0 some other setting needs to be changed.. a guy who had the gaming 5 board and my exact cpu, basically same bios and chip, got it 4.1 but when inputed his settings mine would not post at 4.1

Yeah chip imperfections are a thing. In fact, it could have been possible for your CPU not to overclock at all. The only thing AMD guarantees is the performance listed on the box.

[eira]

5 minutes ago, Be Healed in Jesus Name! said:

a guy who had the gaming 5 board and my exact cpu, basically same bios and chip, got it 4.1 but when inputed his settings mine would not post at 4.1

Two words: Silicon lottery.

Just because you have the exact same chip, board and BIOS as him does not always mean you will get the results he gets.

Your chip might just have been more poorly binned than his. What I mean by that is that your CPU might have more imperfections than his. 

AMD can only guarantee benchmarks from the chip they tested, which may have less imperfections than yours.

[Be Healed in Jesus Name!]

right but i am saying it is posting at 4.0 in windows is just not stable, i am asking what other settings can i change to make it stable? i have only changed the vcore and multiplier... I will get it higher once i figure out whats causing the issue. like i said my temps are good and i had 3.95 at 1.385 that gives me 1.4 to 1.55 in voltage remaining.. there has to be another setting i am not seeing. 

 

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, Be Healed in Jesus Name! said:

right but i am saying it is posting at 4.0 in windows is just not stable, i am asking what other settings can i change to make it stable? i have only changed the vcore and multiplier... I will get it higher once i figure out whats causing the issue. like i said my temps are good and i had 3.95 at 1.385 that gives me 1.4 to 1.55 in voltage remaining.. there has to be another setting i am not seeing. 

 

More Voltage

 

or Substantially lower temperatures, which  gives you a little more usable power due to reduced leakage.

some chips just won't go over 4ghz without huge voltage increases or on a top tier board for like "smoother" voltage.

[eira]

1 minute ago, Be Healed in Jesus Name! said:

right but i am saying it is posting at 4.0 in windows is just not stable, i am asking what other settings can i change to make it stable? i have only changed the vcore and multiplier... I will get it higher once i figure out whats causing the issue. like i said my temps are good and i had 3.95 at 1.385 that gives me 1.4 to 1.55 in voltage remaining.. there has to be another setting i am not seeing. 

 

I think 1.45V is going to be the limit to be honest. I doubt 4GHz will make your CPU any quicker than 3.95GHz will.

 

[Be Healed in Jesus Name!]

yes thats why i dropped back down to 3.8 and 2800 mhz ram ... to keep the temps lower... i tried every voltage after 1.4 and no matter which one it was not stable... so there are other bios settings to stabilize overclock ... standard is between 1.4-1.145 on the various videos ive seen..  

[Streetguru]

6 minutes ago, Be Healed in Jesus Name! said:

 

Your VRM is probably the issue then if more voltage isn't helping
 

It's one of the middle of the road ones, not a real doubled 4 phase most likely

[Be Healed in Jesus Name!]

i got it at from 3.0 to 4.1ghz and the ram from 2133 to 3200 mhz but it would not cinebench so i dropped it to 4.0ghz with 3200mhz ram and it works .... i had to up some all of the cpu settings from auto and it stabilized ... temps are 80 to 83 max on full and high 30's to low 40's idle 

[xg32]

3 minutes ago, Be Healed in Jesus Name! said:

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zen has a hardwall it can't get over, i wouldn't call 3.95 a loss either, in terms of power usage, 3.7-3.8 is the most efficient no matter the lottery.

[pstarlord]

How to make it more stable.

 

1-Better cooling

2-Better motherboard with better VRMs. 

 

How to make it more stable at 4.0GHz and higher

 

1-Better CPU

2-Better Cooling

3-Better Mobo

 

 

[Be Healed in Jesus Name!]

On 12/30/2018 at 2:28 AM, pstarlord said:

How to make it more stable.

 

1-Better cooling

2-Better motherboard with better VRMs. 

 

How to make it more stable at 4.0GHz and higher

 

1-Better CPU

2-Better Cooling

3-Better Mobo

all the parts in my system are fine... the temps are really low . 60 to 64 on full load at 3.92 .. the cpu is good for what i am doing ... i still never got a solid answer on how to make my setup 4.0ghz more stable ? My whole question, was what other bios settings can I change to get it stable? I have alot of temp/vcore room to play with. My bios reset and i could not figure out what my exact settings were to get it cinebench..  

[pstarlord]

8 hours ago, Be Healed in Jesus Name! said:

all the parts in my system are fine... the temps are really low . 60 to 64 on full load at 3.92 .. the cpu is good for what i am doing ... i still never got a solid answer on how to make my setup 4.0ghz more stable ? My whole question, was what other bios settings can I change to get it stable? I have alot of temp/vcore room to play with. My bios reset and i could not figure out what my exact settings were to get it cinebench..  

Because there is no "answer' its different for every situation.  Sometimes the CPU just can't do it.  Sometimes it's the motherboard's VRMs having trouble delivering the power.  Sometimes its cooling.  There are a lot of factors to take into account, there is no one way to fix things.  

 

In your BIOS, you can adjust the core speed, and the voltage.  Push core speed up, until it fails a stress test.  Then push voltage up a little bit, until it passes a stress test.  Then push core speed up until it fails..  And you keep repeating until you're as far as you think you can go.  If you just want to go for broke, put your voltage up to like 1.425 and set your core speed to 4.0 and see where it goes.

 

Getting to 4GHz on a 1700 isn't guaranteed, sometimes they just can't do it.  And running a CPU at the voltage needed to push a 1700 up to 4Ghz on a 24/7 basis is just pointless because the "performance increase" from 3.9 to 4.0 in real world applications is next to nothing.  My 1700x can go up to 4.1Ghz, and will run fairly stable through most situations, but I don't keep it there.  I typically run it at 3.9 because, other than synthetic bench marks, there is zero difference in my day to day experience with the CPU at 3.9 or 4.1 on all 8 cores.  

 

I know the question you're asking, and I know you're hoping there is a secret setting somewhere that will unlock all of this potential...but there isn't.  I also can't really trust when you say you're sitting at 65 degrees at full CPU load when you're clock is at 3.95 because you would easily be able to push it over 4.  Unless your CPU isn't the problem.  In witch case it could be your motherboard's VRM's overheating.  Download CPUz and monitor your entire system, keep it open while you're running your stress test and see where your temps are.  CPUz will monitor your CPU, VRM, System and GPU temps.  

[Be Healed in Jesus Name!]

On 1/19/2019 at 11:10 PM, pstarlord said:

Because there is no "answer' its different for every situation.  Sometimes the CPU just can't do it.  Sometimes it's the motherboard's VRMs having trouble delivering the power.  Sometimes its cooling.  There are a lot of factors to take into account, there is no one way to fix things.  

 

In your BIOS, you can adjust the core speed, and the voltage.  Push core speed up, until it fails a stress test.  Then push voltage up a little bit, until it passes a stress test.  Then push core speed up until it fails..  And you keep repeating until you're as far as you think you can go.  If you just want to go for broke, put your voltage up to like 1.425 and set your core speed to 4.0 and see where it goes.

 

Getting to 4GHz on a 1700 isn't guaranteed, sometimes they just can't do it.  And running a CPU at the voltage needed to push a 1700 up to 4Ghz on a 24/7 basis is just pointless because the "performance increase" from 3.9 to 4.0 in real world applications is next to nothing.  My 1700x can go up to 4.1Ghz, and will run fairly stable through most situations, but I don't keep it there.  I typically run it at 3.9 because, other than synthetic bench marks, there is zero difference in my day to day experience with the CPU at 3.9 or 4.1 on all 8 cores.  

 

I know the question you're asking, and I know you're hoping there is a secret setting somewhere that will unlock all of this potential...but there isn't.  I also can't really trust when you say you're sitting at 65 degrees at full CPU load when you're clock is at 3.95 because you would easily be able to push it over 4.  Unless your CPU isn't the problem.  In witch case it could be your motherboard's VRM's overheating.  Download CPUz and monitor your entire system, keep it open while you're running your stress test and see where your temps are.  CPUz will monitor your CPU, VRM, System and GPU temps.  

i am running aio water cooling Coolermaster 240L 240 Rad .. The temps max out at 71, 72 while stress testing .. I got it a 4.0 stable and then i reset my bios when i upgraded my GPU and lost the settings... 

[Be Healed in Jesus Name!]

On 12/29/2018 at 11:04 PM, xg32 said:

zen has a hardwall it can't get over, i wouldn't call 3.95 a loss either, in terms of power usage, 3.7-3.8 is the most efficient no matter the lottery.

yeah but i got it to boot in windows at 4.1 ghz it just was not stable

 

[Be Healed in Jesus Name!]

i know it will boot at 4.1Ghz, my question is what could i "TRY" that would help it be much more stable.. if someone has a good suggestion, i will see if it helps... #thereisgottabeaway #failureisnotanoption. I have room to add on my temps and on my vcore voltage..