PC suddenly shuts down

[6Foot3Alex]

Hi everyone!

So with the help of black Friday sales I upgraded my old PC (i5 760 OC to 4.1, GTX 650) to new ryzen 1700 and GTX 1060. Basically I upgraded/changed everything I had in my old system except of the case, PSU and a couple of HDDs. But now I'm encountering a problem: while testing stability of my overclock - after about 15 minutes to half an hour my system just suddenly shuts down. I am doing AIDA64 stress test (everything except local discs and GPU) and Furmark simultaneously. It does fine, temperatures look fine as well, but then it just shuts down. When I am doing tests individually - everything works perfectly fine again. Can it be an issue of my old 500w power supply not being able to cope with such loads? I remember it not being a particularly expensive one, but at the same time it wasn't the cheapest one. Sadly I can't provide you with any information about it because all of the stickers have already fallen of. But it was doing fine for almost 6 years I would say, in my old system.

P.S. GTX 1060 is also overclocked to +150 on the GPU and +446 on memory (ZOTAC AMP! Edition) sadly can't remember the exact clock speeds right now, so only the offset. Power Target is 116%.

Ryzen 1700 is OCd to 3.7 on all cores at voltage I also can't remember right now, but it is quite adequate.

 

Thank you for your time reading it and your help!

 

P.P.S. cooler master PSU calculater shows about 470-480 watts of peak load, but every other piece of information suggests that 500w should be plenty

Edited December 10, 2018 by 6Foot3Alex

[GrockleTD]

PSU does seem suspect..l

[PopsicleHustler]

Seems like power starvation to me. I've seen this problem not too long ago. Friend upgraded to a newer CPU and GPU, and that was causing instant shut downs. Replacing his old PSU with high quality EVGA PSU solved the issue.

[6Foot3Alex]

3 minutes ago, Grockle88 said:

PSU does seem suspect..l

Yeah, I think so as well, so does suggest PSU calculator as well, but most other information on the internet says that it should be enough:/

 

[GrockleTD]

1 minute ago, 6Foot3Alex said:

Yeah, I think so as well, so does suggest PSU calculator as well, but most other information on the internet says that it should be enough:/

 

It’s ability to reliably supply 500W may have degraded over the years

[jonrosalia]

is your PSU 80+ rated? brand and model number?

 

[6Foot3Alex]

2 minutes ago, PopsicleHustler said:

Seems like power starvation to me. I've seen this problem not too long ago. Friend upgraded to a newer CPU and GPU, and that was causing instant shut downs. Replacing his old PSU with high quality EVGA PSU solved the issue.

But shouldn't 500W be enough? Just don't want to spend any money that isn't really needed since I am a student - I am quite broke:)

[PopsicleHustler]

1 minute ago, 6Foot3Alex said:

Yeah, I think so as well, so does suggest PSU calculator as well, but most other information on the internet says that it should be enough:/

 

If you have 550W old PSU, it doesn't mean it will be able to deliver that much power. It could've been 550W Peak PSU with like 400W Cont rating.

[6Foot3Alex]

Just now, jonrosalia said:

is your PSU 80+ rated? brand and model number?

 

As I put in the post - I have no idea about brand and model, stickers with information had fallen of. I can only tell you that it is blue and has braided black cables, so no ketchup and mustard

[PopsicleHustler]

Just now, 6Foot3Alex said:

As I put in the post - I have no idea about brand and model, stickers with information had fallen of. I can only tell you that it is blue and has braided black cables, so no ketchup and mustard

Can you make a picture of it?

[6Foot3Alex]

 

7 minutes ago, PopsicleHustler said:

Can you make a picture of it?

I can in the morning, when I get back to the PC. For right now I can only provide you with a picture of my old build where you can see a bit of a PSU

[PopsicleHustler]

Just now, 6Foot3Alex said:

I can in the morning, when I get back to the PC. For right now I can only provide you with a picture of my old build where you can see a bit of a PSU

Might as well, any info here can help.

[6Foot3Alex]

Just now, PopsicleHustler said:

Might as well, any info here can help.

Here you go

[aezakmi]

23 minutes ago, 6Foot3Alex said:

GTX 1060 is also overclocked to +150 on the GPU

RIP

23 minutes ago, 6Foot3Alex said:

Can it be an issue of my old 500w power supply not being able to cope with such loads?

for the looks of it yeah

 

you could get a CX550 if you want to keep it cheap or a focus plus gold also in its 550W variant

[6Foot3Alex]

2 minutes ago, aezakmi said:

RIP

 

I am not sure about your response, but in my tests it is perfectly stable, as opposed to +155, which results to almost instant crash

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you could get a CX550

Will going with Thermaltake Smart RGB 700 be fine as well? Since I can get that one for almost 20% cheaper than CX550

[seon123]

3 minutes ago, 6Foot3Alex said:

Will going with Thermaltake Smart RGB 700 be fine as well? Since I can get that one for almost 20% cheaper than CX550

It's cheaper because it's crap. 

The system will draw about 200W under a gaming load. The decent PSUs start at 400-450W, so get one of those. 

Pure Power 10/11 400W, Vengeance 400W or CX450/M. 

[aezakmi]

2 minutes ago, 6Foot3Alex said:

I am not sure about your response, but in my tests it is perfectly stable, as opposed to +155, which results to almost instant crash

Will going with Thermaltake Smart RGB 700 be fine as well? Since I can get that one for almost 20% cheaper than CX550

about the RIP it was meant for the PSU because it can't deal with an overclocked 1060

 

AND that tt is just a disguised TR2 (literally, it has the same board inside but with an updated output transformer) might be 20% cheaper but is also 50% worse, higher wattage isn't equal to higher quality

[PopsicleHustler]

2 minutes ago, 6Foot3Alex said:

I am not sure about your response, but in my tests it is perfectly stable, as opposed to +155, which results to almost instant crash

Will going with Thermaltake Smart RGB 700 be fine as well? Since I can get that one for almost 20% cheaper than CX550

That is fairly low quality PSU. Only 80+ WHITE rating.

[Stefan Payne]

53 minutes ago, wONKEyeYEs said:

You don't want to run your PSU at max.

Always add at least 100w over your projected max.

So that would be 600W for you.

That's bullshit for good quality PSU.

 

Here is what manufacturers are saying:

 

They specify their PSU for 100% load 24/7 at rated ambient Temperature. You do not need to "overrate" the PSU...

 

That's an ancient thing you did back in 2005, not in 2018

[Stefan Payne]

1 hour ago, 6Foot3Alex said:

P.P.S. cooler master PSU calculater shows about 470-480 watts of peak load, but every other piece of information suggests that 500w should be plenty

The Outervision shit again...

It has an incentive to overrate your components because they make more money with that!

 

So now try this:
i7-3930K

8x DIMM

RX480 

And all it got with Prime + Heaven was around 350W...

 

or this:
Ryzen 7/1700x

2x DIMM
SSD + 7200rpm Drive

TWO Radeon HD7970GHz/280x

What I got out of that wasn't even 550W, only ~520W Secondary (with assumed ~90% Efficiency with the Cougar GX-F 550)

 

So scrap that crap, @seon123 is correct, you're at around 250-300W...

But the 1060 was a mistake, the RX580/8GiB would have been better...

[6Foot3Alex]

3 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

But the 1060 was a mistake, the RX580/8GiB would have been better...

It wouldn't, since AMD cards can't utilize CUDA acceleration for obvious reasons

[Stefan Payne]

2 hours ago, wONKEyeYEs said:

I bow to your vitriol. 

Yes, its hard to fight against FUD, Propaganda and false Information every day

50 minutes ago, 6Foot3Alex said:

It wouldn't, since AMD cards can't utilize CUDA acceleration for obvious reasons

Not True

And why would you use that proprietary Crap anyway?!

 

 

[6Foot3Alex]

5 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

 And why would you use that proprietary Crap anyway?!

 

Several reasons, ranging from several Adobe programs to some scientific software which works wonders with CUDA opposed to anything from the red camp