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I will get a 2700x cpu. I have 3200mhz trident z. I choosing between ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR VI HERO AM4 and Gigabyte X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING AM4. Do you have any thought on this? HELP!

i got commissioned to build a pc for AI development and it needs a lot of cpu cores are there dual TR4 motherboards on the market? the build will have 18 titans

Should i start an i7 8700 build right now, or wait until April 19th and get the Ryzen Zen 2? I'm just worried once it releases that it'll be out of stock for a long time, thoughts?

CTS , a reasearch group has discovered potentially up to 13 flaws affecting Zen-based cpus ( this includes ryzen , ryzen pro , threadripper and epyc ) which could allow a malicious attacker to take control of a computer and/or access secure data that would usually stay our of reach . CTS has contacted AMD , but only allowed them 24 hours instead of the customary 90 days , which is kind of a duck move in my opinion Source (cnet) https://www.cnet.com/news/amd-has-a-spectre-meltdown-like-security-flaw-of-its-own/ I honestly don't know what to say, but this is bad. Lets hope a patch comes in quick that doesn't cripple performance. Update : AMD has released a brief statement regarding the issue : http://quarterlyearnings.amd.com/news-releases/news-release-details/view-our-corner-street-0

Background: An Israeli based cyber security agency founded in Mid of July 2017 named CTS Labs (http://www.cts-labs.com/) has claimed to have discovered 14 vulnerabilities in AMD's Zen micro-architecture. These 14 vulnerabilities are grouped under 4 umbrella Masterkey (Affects Ryzen Desktop and EPYC) Ryzenfall (Affects Ryzen Desktop, Ryzen Pro and Ryzen Mobile) Fallout (Affects only EPYC) Chimera (Affects Ryzen Desktop and Ryzen Pro) How they can be exploited: According to a 20 page Whitepaper published on the website (https://amdflaws.com/) which is maintained by CTS Labs, Masterkey requires user to re-flash the BIOS with a specially crafted BIOS update. Ryzenfall, Fallout and Chimera requires attacker be able to run a program with local-machine elevated administrator privileges meanwhile accessing the Secure Processor to exploit them is done through a vendor supplied driver that is digitally signed. Questions on the Authenticity of the information: The CTS Lab's website was registered on 25th July 2017, around the same time period when Google reportedly informed Intel about Spectre and Meltdown. Additionally the website "amdflaws.com" which is maintained by CTS Labs and hosts the Whitepaper was created just 19 days ago (as of writing this post). The Whitepaper itself doesn't contain much information and just explains some technologies and the implications of the exploits, more like an article. What's of most interest in my opinion is the disclaimer on the last page of the Whitepaper. It says, "The report and all statements contained herein are opinions of CTS and are not statements of fact." and "Although we have a good faith belief in our analysis and believe it to be objective and unbiased, you are advised that we may have, either directly or indirectly, an economic interest in the performance of the securities of the companies whose products are the subject of our reports." An interesting information that may/may not be of any relevance here is the fact that CTS Labs is based in Tel Aviv where Intel has a facility and invests Billions of Dollars. Sources: Registration date of CTS Lab's website - https://goo.gl/j8y7jE Registration date of AMD Flaws's website which hosts the 20 page whitepaper - https://goo.gl/ERhA3c 20 page whitepaper - (Can't link it for some reason, it's available on AMD Flaw's website at www.amdflaws.com Explanation of vulnerabilities and requirements for exploitation - Whitepaper P.S - I hope posting shortened URLs is okay because the original GoDaddy URLs are too long.

Hello, I've used this forum to find help alot of time but this is my first time posting I have a pretty old CPU ( i5 2300 ) and now I finally saved some money and I'm looking to buy a new Ryzen cpu. The question is do I wait for 19th of April for Zen+ (2600x) Optimization stage or do I wait even more for Zen 2 in Inflection stage? I want to build a good PC that will last me the next 5 years, I mostly use it for gaming and heavy softwares. If there is and Intel option that will be at better value I would like to know too.

This one is a little messy, as it's information you glean from what isn't mentioned. At a JP Morgan conference ( full transcript ) , Intel's Murthy Renduchintala said, What this means is that Intel's release in the Server products this year (called Cascade Lake-SP) will be their only Server release until Icelake-S in either very late 2019 or early 2020. And that's at the current roadmap, which has already slipped by years. https://twitter.com/TMFChipFool/status/996480113901539349 What this means is, beyond 10nm from Intel being a disaster, is that AMD has the opportunity to be massively ahead of Intel in the Server space, if AMD can launch the Zen2-based "Rome" parts in 2019. That's a pretty big deal, as it would mean AMD would actually have a node advantage for the first time on Intel, along with a much larger number of cores on their socket. At this time, however, we don't know what this means for Icelake-S, the Desktop version, of the Icelake on 10nm+ node. H2 2019 is looking far more likely right now. Roughly in the same window Coffee Lake-S launched, along with the rumored release window for the 8c Coffee Lake parts. (Coffee Lake-R is the current rumored name.)

So, AMD. At CES, AMD unveiled their brand new, and expected APU´s, now based on Ryzen CPU Cores with Radeon Vega GPU Cores. They are... surprising, specially for the price. There are 2 variants Ryzen 5 2400G APU (3.6GHz Base up to 3.9 GHz Boost) 4C/8T, 11 Vega Compute Units (704 SP) Ryzen 3 2200G APU (3.4 GHz Base up to 3.7 GHz Boost) 4C/4T, 8 Vega Compute Units (512 SP) First, the 2400G, its priced at $169, which in my opinion is a bit too high, it should be $149. It packs quite a nice punch on the graphical area, but I dont think its an evolution of the Ryzen 5 1400, I think its most similar to the 1500X, because of the clocks (Ryzen 5 1500X is 3.5 Base 3.7 Boost) while the 1400 is much lower. I believe the decisive factor to which it should be compared is the cache. The 1400 is 8MB while the 1500X is 16MB. I hope its comparable to the 1500X! The Vega 11 Chip is Great for light gaming and light video editing, now based on Vega (GCN 5.1, 12nm) its a great improvement over older APUs, we can expect 90-110% Performance Uplift over last Gens Flagship, the A12 9800 APU! Now, moving to the 2200G, priced at $99 (GREAT Pricing). Its great, way better than the previous APU Flaghip, the Excavator v2 (28nm) Based (2M/4C 3.8GHz Base up to 4.2GHz Boost) A12 9800 APU, which used a 3rd Generation Radeon R7 iGPU (Based on GCN 3, 28nm) with 8CU´s (512 SP). While the new 2200G has the same number of SPs than the A12 9800, we can expect a 40-70% performance uplift, since we are talking two Architectures and a much smaller manufacturing process. On to the CPU, the 2200G drops some clockspeeds (also on the GPU) and the SMT, however, like the 2400G, Im not comparing it to its number predecessor (1200), but to the 1300X, they have the exact same clockspeeds, presumably have the same cache, core count, etc. Only at 1200 pricing. And finally the part that REALLY bugs me... These APUs by themselves are great, BUT the pricing on the 2400G is a bit higher than expected it should be $20 off, not $169 but $149 (we may see the price drop after 2-3 months), since its still an APU. However the real thing that bothers me. These APU´s leave the RX 550 (Polaris, GCN 4.1 (14nm), 8CU´s/ 512 SP) completely pointless, specially if you compare it to the 2400G´s Vega 11. Yes, the RX 550 has dedicated memory, but it has less Compute Units, made on an older architecture, with a bigger process (14nm vs 12nm) and nearly the same clocks, also Power Consumption. The 2400G´s Vega 11 iGPU will most likely surpass the RX 550 by a small margin. And lets look at numbers, a Ryzen 3 1200 or 1300X (with the Price dropped) is now $99, add $80-85 (for a 2GB version $99 for 4GB, pointless) and you end up at $180-190 when you will most likely be beaten by an APU on the CPU whiuch not only comes with higher clocks, SMT (20-40% improvement on Multithreaded workloads) but also on the GPU by 30% more SPs, a new architecture and a new manufacturing process. This bothers me because technically the RX 500 series are still current-gen Graphics, since we havent seen RX 600 Series based on Vega yet. Now, the possible solution is dropping the price to $70-60 of the 2GB version (and to $80 the nonsense 4GB version) (I bet the RX 650 will have 12 Vega CU´s, RX 660 20CU-24CU´s, RX 670 32-36CU´s and RX 680 40-48 CU´s) So to close up, youll be beaten harshly on the CPU side, and to some degree on the GPU side, WHILE HAVING A $10-20 MORE EXPENSIVE "CURRENT GEN" SETUP. The RX 550 is now kind of obsolete, even though is current Gen, AMD should just phase it out of the Market, and release the RX 600 Series (Vega Based) as quickly as possible. I personally loved this APU´s, theyll change school computing and Offimatics, specially if the 2400G gets that awesome $20 Price-Drop with time. The Graphics are amazing, and the CPU side is great, comparable to their last gen bigger brothers. They pack the same TDP (65W) and most likely their corresponding Wraith Coolers. Great Value for the Money! The only thing that doesnt make sense to me is that the 2400G is able to surpass the RX 550, even though is more expensive and shouldnt be kept on the Market if that happens (or price drop it). Aside from that I think Raven Ridge is Great! (I hope next years Revan Ridge Refresh not only uses Zen+ (already confirmed) but uses Vega 7nm (GCN 5.2) since Navi is reserved for Zen 2 (and Matisse, for APU´s) What do you think of the APUs? Are they good Value? Are they comparable to their bigger brothers from last gen, or their direct predecessors? Do they fit an use case? Is the RX 550 now obsolete? Lemme know in the Poll and on the commments down below! P.S. Really Vote thats how your Voice is Heard! Also, do I write nicely (Trump Voice)

hey guys how you all doing so ive been thinking and i want to move to ryzen but seems im abit late to the party as zen2 sounds like its right around the corner so i was wondering if maybe i should wait for zen 2 or not my plan cpu was the 1600 so do you think it'll be worth it waiting as my main aim will be to game so what do you guys think?? and also does anyone know when it might be coming out ?

I'm planning to upgrade my PC to Threadripper 1950X, I have a couple of questions that I want to ask to make sure that I'm making the right decision here: 1. Is the Threadripper 1950X the best option for me? I'm mainly gaming, content producing, and programming. 2. Does the included mount bracket with the retailer package of the Threadripper CPU work on the corsair H110i GTX? It's my current liquid cooler and I don't want to have to shell out more money for a cooler. 3. I have a Corsair AX860i power supply, and although the TDP of the 1950x is 180w, I've seen benchmarks say that it takes up over 300 watts when overclocked, I also have dual 980Ti Xtreme graphics cards running in SLI, do I have enough wattage to run all of this on my power supply? According to PCPP, my system's TDP is 847watts, not overclocked. PCPP list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rYQTd6 I already own everything on that list except for the CPU, motherboard, and RAM, if you have any suggestions to change those, I don't have a specific budget but I'm trying to go as low as possible with the 1950X. Thanks.

So I`ve been running into memore issues lately. Which is why I want to upgrade my RAM to 16 GB from currently 8 GB. I was just wondering if the FX-8350 is worth keeping or if I should wait for newer CPU generations.

Now I like AMD, GPU and CPU wise. I think they're very good at price for performance, I also think that Nvidia and Intel are better at doing things...well better. I've always felt that one of the worse things of AMD's products and probably from an overall marketing standpoint is their naming. It sounds stupid but as an average consumer you're going to be more attracted to purchasing a CPU based of Intel's "Skylake" processors than AMD's steamroller. (Although tbf the average consumer wont care so much about architectures and things so for simplicity's sake we'll do it this way) i7, i5, i3, pentium.etc also sounds a lot more simple and "technological" than the A series, Athlon and FX, and their graphics cards...wtf is Radeon, Nvidia's GeForce sounds amazing compared to Radeon. Anywho AMD's marketing seems to be getting better, I mean who wouldn't love the name Polaris vs Pascal, or Zen vs i series. Do you believe AMD is taking a stand and bumping up their marketing because they have more faith in their products, just bought a new a commercial branding team, or just want to sound cooler to sling the next load of disasters they fling at us after FX and RX480. Just a fun topic about the commercial side of things over specs and stuff. I'm definitely not super qualified to analyse this, just thought it would be fun to chat about

I really do think AMD Zen will be a great architecture but with all that Let me know what you guys think,

Upcoming AMD's ZEN chipsets has been revealed. Their top end willl be the X370, B350 for mid-range, and A320 for entry level. Features that comes with are support for ddr4, nvme, sata express, and usb 3.1, etc. Arrival of the platform, won't be here until Feb 2017, but motherboard makers already got some and we might get a early look on it, in October. http://www.tweaktown.com/news/53862/amds-high-end-x370-chipset-teased-arrives-feb-2017/index.html http://wccftech.com/amd-zen-intel-kaby-lake-february-2017/ https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&tl=en&u=https://benchlife.info/update-for-intel-kaby-lake-and-amd-summit-ridge-09112016/&usg=ALkJrhjwR1CMpiTTewrdnZxSRfM2Jowx0g

So something more appealing than OEM one... It also shows to have new AMD chipset. Though not guaranteed as stated in article? Moving on, shows to have two PCI-E x16 slots alongside high-speed NVMe M.2 between. There's also dual BIOS functionality which is great, usual thing for Gigabyte boards. It also says that AM4 platform will use same mounting system as before so that's nice. Connectivity: Two USB 2.0, a PS/2 combo port, D-Sub, DVI-D, HDMI, four USB 3.0, RJ45, possibly two USB 3.1 Type-A and three audio jacks. Audio segment is positioned on dedicated section of the PCB to reduce EMI also utilizing premium Japanese capacitors and Realtek codec. BIOS showing memory multiplier, frequency and voltage. Also the 1.20v is in-tune with DDR4 standards given the operating speed and seems credible. So something other than OEM finally appeared that looks good and haves fair features, great step up from older platform indeed. Of course, this is budget oriented board so all in all good. To me board overall looks good, nice for same mounting system too, specially when wanting to transition more expensive cooler from old to this new platform. Glad finally new platform is replacing the ancient one and hopefully not far off we get to see some high end boards too. Source: http://www.eteknix.com/gigabytes-first-amd-am4-motherboard-pictured/

I am about to build my first PC build. I need a suggestion whether should I stick to current gen Skylake, Or get something cheap and wait for Kaby Lake or Zen to come out?

Guru 3D press release on new chips ets that will support AM4 socket. http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-to-offer-x370b350-and-a320-socket-am4-chipsets.html AMD looks like they are gearing up for full spectrum warfare against Intel. They seem to have listed specific targets of the different budget ranges, and seem to be trying to cater to specific budget groups. http://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/amd-zen-am4-chipset This article provides more insight as well. All AMD chips ets will support unlocked multipliers. No more black edition or other special marketing tactics to provide consumers with locked and unlocking capabilities. AMD also appears to make overclocking a mainstream activity, instead of having this as a reserved right for high end boards. Again, like the usual, tons of speculation and nice to haves, but we will have to wait and see how it plays out. Hopefully AMD is serious. With all of the hypes and promises, I totally understand Linus's reservations on the topic of AMD'S future.

Original post: http://wccftech.com/amd-am4-socket-zen-bristol-bridge-soc-package-pictured/ Some photos of the new AM4 Socket and the pins of the Zen CPU. Zen will put AMD on part with all of the latest PC accessories and hardware that current generation Intel chips run (DDR4, NVMe, etc...). AMD Zen also changes the architecture to include an integrated Southbridge, and supports up to 24 dedicated PCIe lanes. Due to changes in the architecture, the CPU will be much larger than previous AMD CPU's, so the socket size will also be larger. This will cause compatability issues with AM3 (+) sockets; however, some companies (Noctua being the only one mentioned) are providing FREE UPGRADE kits for their coolers to allow their customers compatability with AM4. (Toot Toot, bring on the hype train!). But yes, I'm still very excited for Zen.

Hey guys quick question I have a 8320 right now, I do like AMD and idk know why and no im not a fan boy (I will switch to intel if needed/wanted) but i just have used amd and enjoy there product. im aking if i should upgrade to a 9590-9370 or intel equivelent or wait for Zen to come out. i am wanting to upgrade my processor and also, my graphics card to a 1060.

Source:http://www.hotchips.org/program/ So it seems that on Tuesday of this week at 5:45 P.M. AMD will be hosting an event on "A New, High Performance x86 Core Design from AMD." This is quite obviously Zen that they're talking about, so by the sounds of it it looks like we'll be getting more architectural details on the Zen architecture. This will definitely be an interesting follow up to the info AMD gave us a few days ago on the memory heirachy of Zen, and hopefully they'll give us more info on the design of the individual cores in Zen as well as perhaps some more benchmarks (though I personally am not betting on this happening). So stay tuned for more Zen coming at ya in 2 days!

AMD just posted a video on it's youtube channel teasing their new ZEN architecture : Keep in mind these are numbers coming from AMD themselves , meaning they still should be taken with a grain of salt , but should still be a more reliable source than most leaks and rumors . Zen seems to be on track . Mark Papermaster , Senior VP and CTO :

source: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3112663/software/microsoft-made-em-do-it-the-latest-kaby-lake-zen-chips-will-support-only-windows-10.html it started back in spring with Skylake - MS was adamant to force Skylake owners into W10 only support, they've reconsidered now, it's Intel's Kaby Lake and AMD's and Zen's turn to submit to MicroSoft's will will you be able to install Windows 7 (for example) on a Kaby Lake / Zen system? probably yes - if you don't have a PS2 keyboard port on the mobo, this endeavor is dead before it even begins will it function correctly? most likely it won't ..... for the end user, might not matter a bit but for businesses, it will - it's already clear that businesses are quite reluctant to jump to MS' new OS not funny MicroSoft, not fucking funny!

Just want to require some basic knowledge about the AMD ZEN, like if anyone knows about the release date and other stuff. Thanks (i wont buy intel dont even bother)

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ams-zen-engineering-sample-specs-leaked.html To start, keep in mind these are A0 engineering samples. Cache sizes, clock speed, and TDP can all change between now and retail launch. Sample CPUs with 4, 8, 24, and 32 cores have been spotted making the rounds. Of these, only the 4 and 8C variants were made for the AM4 socket. The 4-core variant is limited to 8MB of L3 cache and holds a 65W TDP at clock speeds of 2.8GHz base to 3.2GHz boost. The 8-core has 16MB of L3 cache and holds a 95W TDP with the same clock speeds. Further, AMD has chosen to double the size of its L2 cache over Intel's offerings, at 512KB. Knowing that cache timings get larger in proportion to the cache size, this is intriguing. We'll have to come up with some cache-thrashing benchmarks to see whose solution is better. The most interesting part of the article imho states that the 4 and 8-core chips idle at 550MHz and consume just 2.5 and 5W respectively. This is in stark contrast to the FX series where, at idle, an 8350 still consumes almost 30W of power. The 24 and 32-core chips have 160 and 180W TDPs at 2.75 and 2.9GHz boost, with a 2x32MB L3 cache configuration. Idle speed for these chips is even lower at 400MHz, not that it matters since big iron server chips should NEVER be idling. Remember this is a 2-die solution, so there will be a price to pay in terms of cache coherency, but it's still quite impressive. It's not stated if the boost clock is for all cores or just one, though based on the TDP scaling of the smaller counterparts, I'm going to guess it's single-core only. Opinion: I suspect AMD will be fudging its TDP just a bit or have lower cache clock speeds to keep its TDPs under Intel's, but so far this is right around what I expected for clock speeds. Had AMD been able to pull off the speeds Bulldozer and Vishera enjoyed AND stay inside a healthy 95W while being performance-competitive core for core with Intel, I must admit I'd have to give AMD very high praise. Remember, these are A0 samples, so there's room for clocks to tick upward just a bit, which is why I say clock speeds will likely come right in line with Haswell-E. Edit: You guys are getting slow or lazy. In 24 hours I'm the one posting all the Intel and AMD news even though the articles were up hours before I found them.

I'm looking to upgrade my motherboard and CPU, and I'm having trouble deciding between getting a 6600K and a Z170 board, or waiting for AMD's Zen. I've been in need of a new PC for a while, and while I could hold off and wait a couple months, I'd much rather upgrade soon. I just don't want to upgrade now, and then regret it once something better for around the same price comes around. Any suggestions or useful information would be appreciated.