Cheeseburger Apocalypse

The old ryzen cpus may have been more picky on ram. But these days they're all doin pretty well.

So with the same price i can get

1- Trident Z 32GB (2x16GB) 3600C16

2- Trident Z NEO 32GB (2x16GB) 3200C16 (amd optimised) 

So is the marketing term of "amd optimised" really with the extra buck? 

On 6/20/2020 at 2:08 PM, Mateyyy said:

It varies from board to board and manufacturer to manufacturer. Like Asrock might advertise a 16 phase VRM and all that when the Vcore is only 12 phases or either way lower than what they actually mention, or ASUS might advertise an 8+2 phase VRM, when it's actually a 4+1, but they use two power stages per phase, which is a neat little cost saving trick, but it still gets the job done. There's also differences between the power stages, you could have ones rated for 50A, some rated for 45A, heck, some are even rated for 90A, but those are usually reserved for high-end ITX boards where space is really constrained.

 

Either way, are you dead set on the X570 Ultra or Master? You can get an X570 Unify for $250 and that's a super solid board, probably about on par with the Master, while being cheaper than even the Ultra.

@Mateyyy the region I'm in right now the price of ultra and unify is pretty much the same... 

There is more fan headers/rgb headers/usb port  for ultra ... The only downside if ultra is 1Gbps ethernet, unify has 2.5g and unify has the led time code, ...i wrote down all specs here... Hope it's visible... My first choice was unify, then i found these...

15 hours ago, samcool55 said:

Unless you are planning a system with a 3950x and some high-end custom watercooling parts or even more exotic cooling, it won't matter.

I don't know if it's true today but the rule when ryzen just launched was: get a board with A vrm heatsink, big, small, not that important, just A heatsink.

But with X570 starting at a fairly high point, the VRM and VRM cooling are already so good (even if you get the cheapest one out there) it doesn't really matter. All boards are good, just get the one you like the most

yea definitely not 3950x  :)))) thanks man...

@samcool55 im checking the differences between the x570 aorus master and ultra.

ultra is 12 +2 phase (doubled) 

master is true 14 phase ... 

you're right about the cost efficiency.

i know the doubler can cause a tiiiinyyyy bit of delay, i highly doubt it would be too much to notice by any users. 

still im a bit confused not sure if there are any other differences there

they both seem to have a pretty good heating solutions as well 

what are the differences in a motherboard that has True phase VRMs and no doublers  

or 

a motherboard that has less phases but uses a doubler?

17 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

Well then the c or the z 

As I said they are all good quality 

Lol 

thank you so much for helping me man...

i'll get the trident z...and when i want to place the order, which ever frequency i find available at that moment i'll order that hahaha better leave it to luck...

Just now, TofuHaroto said:

Well from what I saw they are similar quality but the d kit does outperform the other two

I guess go for that

@TofuHaroto hhahahahaha the D kit is not available here...only C and Z

4 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

I mean b die for the most part is just a really good binned ram module 

It is not worth specifically going after 

If I would say which one is the best the LPX pro and the trident z are basically the same quality it comes down to looks and your preference 

@TofuHaroto searching for corsair C Z D kits is giving me headache...i think trident Z is the winner.(and i like the looks :P )..now the only question...back to the original question... we did a whole 360 on ram lol 

3600C18

or

3200C16 

? 

@TofuHaroto i found these 2

and 

6 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

You can look at b die finder if you want to see if your modules are b die 

As for micro or hynix I usually know them by cas latency 

Usually b die is 16 and Lower and hynix and micron have higher cas latency

should i really look for a b die or not? worth the trouble? as i checked non of the rams i said in that list are b die......people are making it a big deal....sounds like  another marketing tactic to me...idk...

which one of the rams in that list you'd suggest?! i think i'll create another post with those rams, see if i get more details.

4 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

No not really

It would just work better with the imc but nothing else 

Micron us also still a decent quality brand 

how can i figure out the build whether its b die  hynix  micron? i have a feeling its only through software after i bought it !!

1 minute ago, TofuHaroto said:

OHHHH MY BAD I thought these were b die 

They are not 

If they were b die they would end with an A

is there really that much of difference?!?!?!?

shoudlTHANK YOU!!! 

since the prices here are pretty much the same except in USD around 5dollars difference...i'll go with RGB (you know RGB make you game faster :P ) 

I'll mention the local prices as well...(there are 2 main online stores so i put the prices on both)

BUT

Vengeance PRO RGB 3600C18 there are 2 models (omg my brain hurts)

CMW16GX4M2Z3600C18 (1077)

CMW16GX4M2C3600C18 (1360)

Vengeance PRO RGB 3200C16 : 

CMW16GX4M2C3200C16 (998)

CMW16GX4M2Z3200C16 (959)

Trident Z 3600C18

F4-3600C18D-16GTZR (987)

Trident Z 3200C16

F4-3200C16D-16GTZR  (847 / 899)

according to what you said, the trident Z is better quality...why is it cheaper?!   

and why vengeance got so many different models? what are the differences?!

3 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

Lowest quality usually micron at best 

Hynix for the most part 

Micron at the very least could be b die

 

For the most 

The most expensive usually b die but I have seen some models with micron

now im even more confused lol

1 minute ago, TofuHaroto said:

Oh well that's definitely a problem lol

You can if you want check experiences with the kit 

For the most part from what I have seen LPX does work with AMD'S imc they usually have micron chips which for the most part works with the imc 

  technically should work ... i agree, and i know this was a big deal with 1000 ryzen but now, its not much of a big deal...

in that case im back to 3200C16 or 3600C18

options are :

Vengeance LPX

Vengeance PRO RGB

Trident Z (i like the look of this)

Just now, TofuHaroto said:

Technically speaking even if it is not on the QVL list it should still work but I don't trust amd's imc 

So if you would like to maybe test the kit that you currently have (in your Intel's system) and see if it work and if it did order the same one that would not hurt

the problem is im in another country...and i dont have access to that....

11 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

What mobo are you getting ? 

Maybe we can look at the QVL 

Also what ram is available on the QVL lol

Are ripjaws V there ?

@TofuHaroto im getting the x570 Aorus ultra

well i personally liked the 2x8 LPX 3200C16 cuz i had it on my intel system for years and its awesome...and still rocking...

so i wanted to get the same for my amd build....the memory i found is this CMK16GX4M2E3200C16 for LPX but its not in the QVL list.

then i found the trident Z...though trident had 2 versions...F4-3600C18D-16GTZRX and F4-3600C18D-16GTZR ... the X is AMD tested and is on the QVL but its not available for sale here...so im stuck with F4-3600C18D-16GTZR( NON X) ... 

and one more for trident ... F4-3200C16D-16GTZR ... not on the QVL list

the other option is vengeance pro RGB...CMW16GX4M2C3200C16...this is on the QVL list but in QVL it says 4GB...the seller's website says 2x8GB...im soooo confused.....

1 hour ago, minibois said:

The performance will be the same.

Check if either one is on the QVL of your motherboard of choice, as I have bad experiences in the past with AMD AM4 motherboards + Corsair memory

@minibois weirdly enough the rams available in my region are not mentioned in the QVL...and im stuck...the trident Zs are not in the QVL as well...ii need serious help

Vengeance (2x8GB) LPX

3200MHz C16

OR

LPX 3600MHz C18

??

for AMD build

the prices are same in my region

15 hours ago, Dedayog said:

I think you're overthinking and making assumptions.

 

People are gaming on 6700K's and 7700K's no problem, so just because consoles have more cores doesn't mean games magically will utilize them.  There's a fair bit of programming magic needed to make a game run on so many threads properly.   

@Dedayog hahah yea i definitely am overthinking waay too much...as i do pretty much in everything in my life...3600x or 3700x or wait for XT, i will be buying in june maybe 1st or 2nd week of june...

21 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

If you already have the board just go for the 3600 

Great ipc count 

6 hyper threaded cores it should be good 

@TofuHarotothe original decision was the 3600x...but now the next gen stuffs are coming, im kinda worried more, cuz the next gen consoles will have 8Core 16 thread...so the upcoming games will be more utilised to use that amount of cores so, a 6core 12thread might not last as long...omg im going crazy hahahah ... i need help

1 hour ago, TofuHaroto said:

It should be available in around 1-3 Months from what I have seen 

But what do you have now ?

Do you need a system badly now ?

@TofuHaroto i am in need of a system super bad...running a 10year old laptop (1st gen i7) hahahha 

the mobo i have is Gigabyte x570 aorus pro... no cpu yet....i can wait about a month...

got the parts ready for my system...only cpu left...

@Jurrunio as far as i realised, they're pretty much the same, only

3600XT base frequency> 3600X base frequency > 3600

and i hightly doubt about much of OC on amd , and im not interested in OC at all.

@Dedayog hahah yea i know kinda stupid naming ...i was set for a 3600x , but im just curious whether worth the wait, and few bucks higher wont mind it "IF" it would be worth it.....

@Letgomyleghoe the just increased the base frequency so can compete with 10th gen intel i5 single core performance... thats all

any idea when the ryzen 3600 XT comes?! and the prices?

should i wait or just get the 3600X ?!

4 hours ago, Yashiees said:

I would think the vengence LPX would be the best value for an amd build.

@Yashiees yea im stuck between LPX and Flare X...

Just now, Cheeseburger Apocalypse said:

@TofuHaroto sorry man, 3200Mhz ... typo...

@TofuHaroto yea im also stuck between flare x and LPX