@kelvinhall05 I do get where the hate comes from and I'm not defending them (though I do like their products, look at my signature), I just feel that people band waggon and don't take experience from having and using their products. And its the fact that people won't complain if their product works but will if it does not. So it skews the perspective of a wider audience to be negative. I'm sure if surveyed the forum of those who have had their products most would 'positive' and still work or just not be used any more.