Energycore

On 11/26/2021 at 11:03 PM, ShrimpBrime said:

You're not alone. Return the kit if it doesn't work. I'll be at a loss.

 

When you post first time, for the xmp setting, enable it, while enabled, set the dram frequency manually to 3200mhz, which is what the cpu memory controller supports up to. With the lower frequency at the rated xmp timings, it should be rock solid stable.

 

Definitely clear the cmos. If the system seems funky, shut it down and clear cmos again. Once your rig realizes it's got good memory in it, should be able to snag 3733mhz with little more than just setting the frequency. 

 

One thing to be sure, CPU/SOC voltage 1.08v. You won't need more than that. The memory will also scale with dram voltage. Don't fear 1.40v.

Hey! So I got the RAM today and tested it. Issues in both motherboards. On the MSI, I set XMP (but left it at 3600) and then tried to install Windows again. Random restart before I even clicked Install. After that I have not been able to POST the MSI motherboard even after clearing CMOS multiple times (with the battery even because desperate times).

At this point I'm strongly considering returning everything that can be returned and buying Intel. I'll keep the RAM though, doesn't hurt to have 32GB in there

40 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

That would be cool. Fastest 110$ kit on the market. Mine do 4000mhz cl16's rather easily.

I ordered the kit. Here goes nothing. At this point I can rate my PC building experience with Ryzen an honest 0/10. It's lost me time and money

Just now, ShrimpBrime said:

Nope, that one is 16-18-18 also.

 

RGB always costs more, that's why so expensive. The first one I linked is only 109$ US. And why I linked it. 

 

The end of the part number on g.skill signifies the color. KW is black and white. ZW is silver and white. R is rgb.

I think I can order from newegg, so I'll try to get the G.Skill kit.

27 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Could be samsung but if the timings are 16-18-18, that's not the kit you want. Look for the G.Skill kit I listed. 

Ohh ok that works for me.

24 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Here, the equivalent to this RGB kit, or get this one. @Amazon MX

 

https://www.amazon.com.mx/G-Skill-Trident-16GB-3600MHz-módulo/dp/B01MR4Y3JE/ref=sr_1_9?__mk_es_MX=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&keywords=F4-3600C16D-16GTZKW&qid=1637984021&sr=8-9&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.2f990652-065f-4ce4-905d-4c9d6a080141

Oh man $200US for a RAM kit, I'll do it if I HAVE to but yeah

Is this 3200 kit fine? It's the alternative I found https://www.amazon.com.mx/G-Skill-16GB-DDR4-3200-3200MHz-módulo/dp/B01HFR96OQ/r

Edit: nevermind it's 16-18-18

1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

I can suggest only a single kit to remedy the situation. Which on my B450m-a was a big issue with SK hynix kits. Slap in my black and red kit, same as below, set my OC and restarts went away. I will admit some struggle after the kit swap though. It seemed to take a few good restarts for whatever reason. But that board doesn't memory train at start up, so I think some secondaries where stuck. This experience was over a year ago. 

I have no doubt in my mind it's the memory.

 

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232437

Ok let me look for that model, and if I can't get it I found this HyperX kit with Samsung B-Die (MSI's page lists it as Samsung 5WB) that's on the MSI motherboard's QVL: https://www.amazon.com.mx/gp/product/B07WJJJ27P/ do you see any issue with it?

On 11/21/2021 at 7:11 PM, ShrimpBrime said:

Another setting you can try and play with is called "Power supply idle control". Maybe under AMD CBS. Not sure if AsRock has this setting though, you'll have to look. (advanced tab)

Hey! So I wanted to report back after some 8 hours of working on this.

I got the new CPU and tested it on the motherboard. Still turned itself off. So I ruled out CPU and looked at my RAM being faulty, so I asked a friend for a good stick of DDR4 (It's a Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3000C15) that he runs on a B450 motherboard. Still no dice. Then I switched back to my MSI motherboard to see if it was indeed the motherboard, but still got issues (actually on the MSI motherboard it restarts itself rather than turning itself off and just laying there).

At this point I am looking at it possibly being the memory controller not liking EITHER memory kit, so I'm looking for a kit that works.

Can I ask for your help finding any 16GB (or 32 if you don't find 16GB ones) kit that's on either motherboard's QVL on amazon.com.mx? I'll be trying myself.

The other possible cause is two of my things being broken. Two motherboards, 2 CPUs or 2 power supplies (but my PSUs both work fine on my older build and one of them is a Seasonic GX from 2020, it's the one I use for the new computer).

Anything else you'd check?

10 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

You can try zen timings or any app that will list the correct secondaries for the memory. Your timings look ok to me, but obviously I don't know what they are supposed to be lol. 

 

Hope 2133mhz does ok. fingers crossed. Would be better than a system that randomly shuts down.

Nope, just crashed on 2133-15-15-15-35. I'll be purchasing a new CPU and RMAing this one I guess.

Just now, ShrimpBrime said:

You can try zen timings or any app that will list the correct secondaries for the memory. Your timings look ok to me, but obviously I don't know what they are supposed to be lol. 

 

Hope 2133mhz does ok. fingers crossed. Would be better than a system that randomly shuts down.

So far no shutdown! If the solution is to manually set timings then I'm gucci and I don't need a new CPU.

EDIT: Hopefully I can get it stable above 2133MHz LOL otherwise I'll get pretty gimped performance

Just now, ShrimpBrime said:

Or slap in my B-Dies.

If only I'd just ponied up the additional money for B-Die RAM LOL

8 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

1.094 is good and fine. Even if running Jedec speeds, although it doesn't need too....

 

And there's the infamous error. You can google your brains out.

 

But the only fix I could come up with at home was manually setting up the memory timings for the board. Or slap in my B-Dies. One of the two. 

 

The online fix was RMA the Cpu on some occasions. 

Ok so I was unable to find the SPD values in the Tool tab or the DRAM Timings menu. Here's a couple BIOS screenshots.

For now I am booted in with 2133MHz 15-15-15-35 @1.2V and I'll let you know if I get crashes.

Just now, ShrimpBrime said:

Edit: Yes, another CPU would help diag the memory controller vs the memory. 

Fair enough. Let's see if the new CPU does it.

2 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

And because it's not on the QVL, the auto timings are wrong. (I'm 90% sure at least 2 timings) 

 

I am not sure if your board automatically memory trains or not. I'd still check the SPD values in bios both at 2667mhz and XMP frequency. 

 

The CPU SOC on auto should be 1.08v. You can confirm this with HWinfo64. If not, set it manually. You will not need more, you won't be at those high frequencies to make it necessary. So 1.1v if you see vdroop below 1.08v during loads specifically read and write to memory. 

Let me go into the BIOS and try this out.

Looks like SoC voltage is 1.094V. Not sure how to interpret that.

I also found the error 41 in the Event Viewer

Just now, ShrimpBrime said:

Windows reports this as error 41 sudden power loss?

How do I find out?

Just now, ShrimpBrime said:

The sudden shut down at XMP enabled has me thinking cpu actually or IMC/Board don't like something about your memory. My vengeance does the same crap. So I don't use them without manually setting them up. I noticed the board sets some of the secondaries incorrectly when on auto. 

So far I've got sudden shut down both with and without XMP. Do you think it's a good idea to try with another memory kit before buying a CPU?

(I can get a replacement 5600X tomorrow with Amazon so I kinda just wanna buy a new one and I can spare the money at least for now, but I don't want to ALSO buy another memory kit).

The memory kit's part number is BL2K8G32C16U4B. It's not on the QVL for this motherboard now that I checked.

5 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

If running XMP (which you probably are and should) be sure to find the SPD timings in bios and take any timings off of auto and match them to SPD.

 

In timings menu, disable "power down mode".

I was actually not running XMP and running the RAM at the stock 2666MHz with Default timings. Let's see if I can get more stability if I turn on XMP

Edit: Nevermind it shut down seconds after posting xD

What are the SPD timings? I couldn't find them on the memory timings area at a glance. Power Down Mode is disabled by default.

So no errors while running Pridme95 but I can't keep the test running for very long because it'll just shut down. I've found it as likely to shut down while idle as under load and temps were extremely low for both CPU and Motherboard when I did the Prime95 test.

34 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

Maybe try a single RAM stick at a time, in different slots too...

If that doesn't help I'd start suspecting the CPU.

Sorry I forgot to mention this, I did try one single stick in all slots. Let me run a CPU stress test and see if it turns up any errors.

1 hour ago, Levent said:

I would suggest you to use either Prime95's memory test or Testmem5 using antra777's config. Other than that, this also could be your boot drive, as I also saw a lot of issues with Crucial P5 drive.

1 hour ago, Kilrah said:

Believe that's just fine, yes...

1 hour ago, Mel0nMan said:

Second this.

Prime95's mem test as well as memtest86 and Windows's built in are all reliable 

Ok so I'm back after an hour or so of memtest86. I had 2 random shutdowns, but no errors reported. There was no pattern to the random shutdowns, one was 7 minutes in and the other was 45 minutes in. I'll take your guys' advice and run it for longer it's ok.

1 hour ago, Levent said:

I would suggest you to use either Prime95's memory test or Testmem5 using antra777's config. Other than that, this also could be your boot drive, as I also saw a lot of issues with Crucial P5 drive.

Shouldn't be related to the P5 drive, this also happens when I use my SATA Drive's Windows installation. I'm writing this from that drive with the P5 disconnected and put away.

Just now, Kilrah said:

Done a memory test?

Let me fire that up. memtest86 still the preferable test?

Hey Guys! It's a long time no see for a lot of you, hi!

I'm actually here because I have reached the end of my patience with my new Ryzen 5600X/B550 motherboard combo. Let me be more specific.

A month or so ago I got my CPU, motherboard and RAM upgrade. I've had a slew of issues that were frustrating but were eventually fixed, except for one.

Ever since the upgrade, my computer randomly shuts down, but the fans keep spinning (sometimes they go to 100% but not always). This can happen ANY time, even while in BIOS and seems to be random. Sometimes my computer goes a full 12 hours just fine, sometimes I have to start it up 5-6 times because it just shuts down right after entering windoms, or even right after POST.

Edit: Might be useful to add that there's no power cycling. I can boot up the computer just fine after it breaks.

Here's my system specs

- Ryzen 5 5600X

- AsRock B550 Phantom Gaming 4

- 16GB Crucial Ballistix 3200 C16 kit

- Old Toshiba SATA SSD for Windows

- New Crucial P5 with fresh Windows Installation

- EVGA GTX 1080 Ti Hybrid

- Phanteks AMP 550W (same internals as the Seasonic Focus GX)

Here's what I have already tried

- Different BIOS versions

- Different motherboard (tried an MSI B550 board)

- Clearing CMOS and running without XMP etc

- Ditching the old Windows install and using only the Crucial P5

- Reseating CPU/RAM/PSU Cables
- Different PSU (I also have a Corsair CX450M that I got from warranty and has pretty much been unused since I got it)

None of this has solved the problem. I have NO IDEA what the issue is and frankly I'm just about to pull out my hair over this.

Do you guys have any suggestions? It would be much appreciated

~Energycore

Just now, GDRRiley said:

yeah, like common you can do better than girls with guns

Are you sure about that? Like, are you SURE sure?

Oh hey, a locked thread.

Not a bad time to make an ephemeral cameo appearance.

Hi!

Just now, Halixis said:

sheer file size high-res digital paintings can reach when you have tons of layers.

I am going to recommend you a 64GB RAM Kit then. It'll remove the limitation of working with huge 50mpixel + images and tons of layers. If you consider the additional $100 or so to be worth it, 64GB is more than you'll ever need for the next decade, probably.

Just now, Halixis said:

The perspective here is valuable, if an upgrade is a matter of diminishing returns for the investment I might opt for the more cost-effective option.

I would say if you're looking for cost efficiency, it doesn't get better than the Ryzen 5600X right now. You could downgrade for even more efficiency to a $210 last gen Ryzen 3600, but you can afford the 25% faster single core CPU.

Just now, Boombi said:

Maybe change that to a 3800x or even 5800x as he said he liked to work on 3d digital art.

I mean yeah he's coming from a 4790 so the change will already be quiet big, but I found a 5800 on amazon for $397.99 which is quiet a lot more obviously

but he can probably find one cheaper or go for the 3800x which still is quiet good.

I disagree. For one, the Ryzen 5600X has similar multicore performance to the 3800X, despite being only 6 cores. This is because the single core performance improved very significantly compared to Ryzen 3000.

In the case of the 5800X, I think if you're not someone who already owns a business and is already making money with their computer, the $120 price difference does not justify the jump from 6 to 8 cores in my opinion. A Ryzen 5600X is the only CPU you need for consumer or prosumer workloads.

Welcome to the forums!

There is tons of upgrade room for your system for sure. Your GPU can continue to work fine for a while and I recommend that you look at other things because graphics cards are still at inflated prices recently. With that said, your budget is really good and accommodates for quite a bit of upgrading, so let's get started with the rest of the system and then see if we can fit a good GPU in there.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($289.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright TRUE Spirit 140 Direct 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler  ($42.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock B550 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Team T-Create Classic 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL22 Memory  ($136.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Lian Li Lancool II Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case  ($109.99 @ B&H)
Total: $694.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-07-13 17:55 EDT-0400

Ok so, this is $700. I would save up a bit more while you wait for a new GPU, but if you think this is too much money for the non-GPU upgrades, we can downgrade the motherboard to save $30 and the case to save up to $50. I chose a really nice case that will be super comfortable to work in and has very nice build quality.

If you're interested in a video card upgrade, you can get used GTX 1080s for around $400US (technically a bit below launch price, but consider that this is a 2017 card). There is basically no worthwhile new GPU available outside of the entry level market right now.

Just now, Coastqr said:

I really hope Razer gets better though

I've been hoping they get better since 2011, you can join in lol

~Moved to Laptops and Prebuilt Systems

I don't have experience with Razer laptops, but I can say that all 4 Razer products I've owned have had big reliability issues and started causing problems prematurely (even after just 6 months). What's more is that if you don't live in one of the 8 or so countries that they have warranty coverage for, they will not honor your product's warranty unless you ship it to one of those few countries. (I actually have screenshots of my email conversation with their customer service reps).

So the unreliability you are having to me is not news. I would not expect 4 years out of a Razer product. You might get lucky and get one that doesn't break, but if you're looking for reliability there are other laptop brands to look at. Specifically, there's ASUS and Lenovo; I've worked with laptops with both brands and although still not perfect, their build quality and reliability seems on average quite a bit better.