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#1 JordanMac

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 04:38 AM

hey guys,

 

Just want to check this before i purchase this,

 

i have a 3-4 low end graphics cards lying around (gt 640's, gt 210 and some low end amd card).

 

i'm thinking about getting this motherboard:

 

http://www.ebay.co.u...984.m1438.l2649

 

Use a dremel to remove the ends of the pcie x1 slot so i can put graphics cards in them. would this work? my main concern is pcie bandwidth how much of a bottleneck is this going to be?

 

was thinking about using this cpu:

 

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item3f2918647d

 

any feedback on this would be great. thank :)


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 04:47 AM

Well them GPUs are i think useless for folding, not sure thou. You need some CUDA cores on nvidia or OpenCL on AMD. Again not sure.



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Posted 09 September 2013 - 04:48 AM

I can't answer all of your questions, but I know for sure that for folding you're fine with x1. I have a 7970 in a x1 slot and the ppd is the same
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Posted 09 September 2013 - 04:55 AM

I can't answer all of your questions, but I know for sure that for folding you're fine with x1. I have a 7970 in a x1 slot and the ppd is the same


Thanks, the bandwidth was my main concern.

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 04:55 AM

I can't answer all of your questions, but I know for sure that for folding you're fine with x1. I have a 7970 in a x1 slot and the ppd is the same


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 05:31 AM

Can a geforce 210 fold? Well last i checked with my 210, it can. 

 

 

Although only expect a 1k ppd ( i need to check again to be sure on the ppd figures.)

 

The 640 can fold but I dont know the PPD figures. Amd, because I dont know which cards your referring to, may or may not work.

 

 

Generally, if it's HD 5000 and above, it can fold. HD 4000 and below, I think F@H has fully dropped support for. (May be wrong on that.)

 

 

And yes, as long as the the cards can get into the PCI-e slots (doesn't matter if it's PCI-e 1.0 x1 or 3.0 x16), You'll be fine.



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Posted 09 September 2013 - 06:09 AM

Can a geforce 210 fold? Well last i checked with my 210, it can. 

 

 

Although only expect a 1k ppd ( i need to check again to be sure on the ppd figures.)

 

The 640 can fold but I dont know the PPD figures. Amd, because I dont know which cards your referring to, may or may not work.

 

 

Generally, if it's HD 5000 and above, it can fold. HD 4000 and below, I think F@H has fully dropped support for. (May be wrong on that.)

 

 

And yes, as long as the the cards can get into the PCI-e slots (doesn't matter if it's PCI-e 1.0 x1 or 3.0 x16), You'll be fine.

thanks for the reply, i think my amd card is below 5000 series so it probably wont work, what nvidia cards don't have support? if you know :)


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 06:25 AM

I wouldnt, no point in doing it on Nvidia cards IMO


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 06:28 AM

thanks for the reply, i think my amd card is below 5000 series so it probably wont work, what nvidia cards don't have support? if you know :)

 

As of this moment, All cuda enabled gpu's (8000 series and above) have support. Although that has been slowly changing.

 

 

Within the next year or 2, all Nvidia gpu's at the 200 series and below WILL loose support.  So only the 400 and above series will still continue to fold.



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Posted 09 September 2013 - 06:33 AM

I wouldnt, no point in doing it on Nvidia cards IMO

 

If there just laying around, He might as well use them.  ;)

 

Heck there still people folding on there Intel Pentium 4 cpu's to this day and those dont net much points but use a lot more electricity than these gpu's. 



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Posted 09 September 2013 - 08:42 AM

Can a geforce 210 fold? Well last i checked with my 210, it can. 

 

 

Although only expect a 1k ppd ( i need to check again to be sure on the ppd figures.)

 

The 640 can fold but I dont know the PPD figures. Amd, because I dont know which cards your referring to, may or may not work.

 

 

Generally, if it's HD 5000 and above, it can fold. HD 4000 and below, I think F@H has fully dropped support for. (May be wrong on that.)

 

 

And yes, as long as the the cards can get into the PCI-e slots (doesn't matter if it's PCI-e 1.0 x1 or 3.0 x16), You'll be fine.

http://www.electroni...-109-b17031-00/

 

this is the amd card i have i'm guessing it wont work.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 10:46 AM

Saddly, no.

 

A quick look up relieved that it's basically a HD 2400 Pro card and thus, it isn't supported.

 

 

Also, I re-looked into what is and isn't supported, yes, AMD/ATI cards 4000 and below is not supported.

 

 

 

http://folding.typep...r-ati-gpus.html

 

 

MARCH 15, 2011

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We have been working to improve our support for AMD/ATI GPUs. AMD/ATI originally supported the Brook language for GPU programming, but has since moved to OpenCL, dropping support for Brook. This means that in order for FAH to support ATI GPUs, we have had to rewrite our ATI GPU core in OpenCL. This has been a huge undertaking, but is coming to fruition (check out http://simtk.org/home/openmm for details and a change log with progress updates). Due to ATI's decision to drop Brook in lieu of OpenCL, new FAH ATI GPU core development can only be done in OpenCL and thus can only run on GPUs which ATI supports with OpenCL. 
 
We want to give ATI donors a heads up that ATI does not support all of its GPUs with OpenCL (the series 3xxx are not supported and the series 4xxx does not have sufficient OpenCL support for efficient FAH calculations). For the short term, we will support both the older (Brook coded) ATI core 11, and the newer (OpenCL coded) ATI core 16, but we cannot support the Brook-based core for much longer. We plan to support ATI core 11 until September 1, 2011 (hopefully longer, but we want to get this on donors' radars). Closing support for a given platform is never a popular decision, but in this case, we have no choice due to the lack of vendor support of that platform.
 
The good news is that ATI's support for OpenCL is very strong and we're excited about our new ATI openCL core (core 16), which is undergoing testing right now. ATI core 16 will be publicly released after the v7 client is released, as the core needs the new client.

 

 

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In a previous post, I mentioned our plans for supporting ATI GPUs.  I'm happy to announce that with the release of v7 into open beta, we have now released ATI core 16 GPU3 WUs into advanced methods for Folding@home.  Please see Dr. Lin's forum post for details.
 
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Just a reminder from the previous post that there are some limitations in our ability to support ATI boards.  In particular, we're limited to those which support OpenCL 1.1 in order to get any sort of reasonable performance out of the hardware.  This means that only 5xxx ATI GPU boards or later will work with the new core 16 (the series 3xxx are not supported and the series 4xxx does not have sufficient OpenCL support).  However, we will keep core 11 support going hopefully at least until Sept 1, 2011 in order to support the older hardware.
 
Also, we are looking at support of older NVIDIA GPUs as well.  In particular, there have been reported issues with some 8xxx series boards.  We may have to limit their support as well due to analogous hardware compatibility issues.
 
We're excited to be able to release OpenCL support for ATI GPUs.  However, I want to stress that it is still pretty early days for this code, but we're excited about where this is going.

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 04:53 PM

I wouldnt, no point in doing it on Nvidia cards IMO

 

Could you please clarify this statement and your source!

 

On Core 17 based projects AMD just edge out equivalent NVidia cards, yet both are almost equal and now 700 series are actually more power efficient and a LOT quieter. 780 and Titan pretty much dominate,

 

On any other GPU Core a NVidia card still crushes AMD. I will tell anyone who asks what card to get, NVidia is a rock solid option. Depending on other factors, AMD may be the way to go... but NVidia will never be a bad choice. As well, the Pande group now has beta drives for NVidia cards in Linux. Can you say 32 core + 4 GPU's?


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 04:54 PM

Could you please clarify this statement and your source!

 

On Core 17 based projects AMD just edge out equivalent NVidia cards, yet both are almost equal and now 700 series are actually more power efficient and a LOT quieter. 780 and Titan pretty much dominate,

 

On any other GPU Core a NVidia card still crushes AMD. I will tell anyone who asks what card to get, NVidia is a rock solid option. Depending on other factors, AMD may be the way to go... but NVidia will never be a bad choice. As well, the Pande group now has beta drives for NVidia cards in Linux. Can you say 32 core + 4 GPU's?

Just in my experience I have gotten better results from a AMD card.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 04:54 PM

Make sure you review the mobo manual about PCIe lanes and power. Lot of boards disable some slots when others utilized. And yes, 640's are pretty decent ones. 4-6K PPD, no external power required... decent cards. Don't bother mixing low end AMD and NVidia... can get pretty messy. Just fold on all the NVidia ones...


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 04:56 PM

Just in my experience I have gotten better results from a AMD card.

 

What various models have you tested and for how long?


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 04:58 PM

What various models have you tested and for how long?

I honestly should have tested more equivalent cards but whatever. AMD cards are also cheaper and cheaper is more or my type :P

 

I believe the Nvidia card was a 5500GT. Don't remember the AMD one though. 


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Posted 10 September 2013 - 04:34 AM

I honestly should have tested more equivalent cards but whatever. AMD cards are also cheaper and cheaper is more or my type :P

I believe the Nvidia card was a 5500GT. Don't remember the AMD one though.


So you tested an old nvidia card and an old amd card and you draw conclusions from that?

If something is "more of your type", that doesn't mean that the other thing isn't an option. And a good one in this case. As whaler said, the 780 and titan are current kings of gpu folding

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 06:01 AM

So you tested an old nvidia card and an old amd card and you draw conclusions from that?

If something is "more of your type", that doesn't mean that the other thing isn't an option. And a good one in this case. As whaler said, the 780 and titan are current kings of gpu folding

Just an opinion. Thats why I put "IMO" at the end of my original post.


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Posted 11 September 2013 - 08:16 AM

Just an opinion. Thats why I put "IMO" at the end of my original post.

 

Yes, but even with that. :)  Some new users may read the "NVidia doesn't work" and skip the rest. TL:DR you know? :)

 

I just want to be very careful of "blanket" statements influence others - as long as statements made are clear.

 

BTW - that NVidia you tested, isn't supported. :)


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