sorting out yet another build

[BootyDustBandit]

okay....i've ordered parts for my supercrazy gaming rig but now it's time to do the exact opposite of that
i want to build another gaming rig for super cheap this time
it needs to be VR capable but that is literally the only requirement
it needs to be able to run it at 90-120 fps (the higher the better)

and since I don't know where to look for value stuff I came here to ask you guys what I should do
this build doesn't need to have a theme or matching colors or any of that

this will be for my siblings to share so they can game with me if they wanted to

they all pitched in (including my mom and dad and me) to get a little over 1000 dollars but if the build goes over that price i can cover the rest

if you need more info just let me know

[r2724r16]

Buy a used HP Z workstation with 4 cores / 8 threads or a Dell Optiplex and throw in a used GTX 970. 

[BootyDustBandit]

i prefer to put builds together myself....plus i think i could get better performance if i got individual parts

[Fasauceome]

2 hours ago, BootyDustBandit said:

over 1000 dollars

This is hardly budget gaming territory. You could build a really nice system with this money, along the lines of a Ryzen 5 and a gtx 1060 6gb (or 1070 from ebay)

 

Should we instead try to make a build for less than $1000 but still VR capable? I have a $700 build or so that would do pretty well.

 

2 hours ago, BootyDustBandit said:

i prefer to put builds together myself....plus i think i could get better performance if i got individual parts

Make sure to quote people when you respond to them, or @ them

[BootyDustBandit]

2 hours ago, fasauceome said:

Make sure to quote people when you respond to them, or @ them

oh oof i thought i did

 

2 hours ago, fasauceome said:

This is hardly budget gaming territory. You could build a really nice system with this money, along the lines of a Ryzen 5 and a gtx 1060 6gb (or 1070 from ebay)

 

Should we instead try to make a build for less than $1000 but still VR capable? I have a $700 build or so that would do pretty well.

well lets just see what we can put together

[Fasauceome]

2 minutes ago, BootyDustBandit said:

well lets just see what we can put together

So does that mean you want to spend all $1000 or more budget minded?

[BootyDustBandit]

7 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

So does that mean you want to spend all $1000 or more budget minded?

yep well i guess if you really think it could run VR smooth without issues then you can go below

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, BootyDustBandit said:

well i guess if you really think it could run VR smooth without issues then you can go below

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/fasauceome/saved/hwL7WZ

 

This does pretty well. You could scale up to a Ryzen 7 or a 1070/Vega 56 to fill out the $1000 if you feel like it.

[BootyDustBandit]

3 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/fasauceome/saved/hwL7WZ

 

This does pretty well. You could scale up to a Ryzen 7 or a 1070/Vega 56 to fill out the $1000 if you feel like it.

can you OC that ryzen 5?
if so could we squeeze in an AIO cooler?

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, BootyDustBandit said:

can you OC that ryzen 5?
if so could we squeeze in an AIO cooler?

You can overclock every Ryzen cooler. A good 240mm cooler would do nicely, but for top tier air cooling, how about something like a noctua NH-D15

[BootyDustBandit]

Just now, fasauceome said:

You can overclock every Ryzen cooler. A good 240mm cooler would do nicely, but for top tier air cooling, how about something like a noctua NH-D15

hmm...which one would run quieter?
this build is going in our living room so it can't run like a jet taking off or anything

[Fasauceome]

19 minutes ago, BootyDustBandit said:

hmm...which one would run quieter?
this build is going in our living room so it can't run like a jet taking off or anything

Noctua is extremely quiet, they're known for silent, effective air cooling, along with Be Quiet! 

[BootyDustBandit]

2 hours ago, fasauceome said:

Noctua is extremely quiet, they're known for silent, effective air cooling, along with Be Quiet! 

alright...maybe i'll do some tweaks to the rig...i'll show you what i came up with when it's done

 

2 hours ago, fasauceome said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/fasauceome/saved/hwL7WZ

 

This does pretty well. You could scale up to a Ryzen 7 or a 1070/Vega 56 to fill out the $1000 if you feel like it.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor	$159.89 @ OutletPC
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$84.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard	$127.81 @ OutletPC
Memory	Patriot - Viper Elite 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory	$109.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Seagate - BarraCuda Pro 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$109.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	MSI - Radeon RX 570 8GB ARMOR MK2 Video Card	$169.99 @ Newegg
Case	Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case	$49.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Platinum 550W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$69.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$942.64
	Mail-in rebates	-$60.00
	Total	$882.64
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-27 14:58 EDT-0400

what do you think?

[Fasauceome]

32 minutes ago, BootyDustBandit said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor	$159.89 @ OutletPC
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$84.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard	$127.81 @ OutletPC
Memory	Patriot - Viper Elite 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory	$109.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Seagate - BarraCuda Pro 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$109.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	MSI - Radeon RX 570 8GB ARMOR MK2 Video Card	$169.99 @ Newegg
Case	Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case	$49.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Platinum 550W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$69.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$942.64
	Mail-in rebates	-$60.00
	Total	$882.64
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-27 14:58 EDT-0400

what do you think?

Getting rid of the SSD is a bad move. 

Actually you just made the whole build worse. Slower ram is bad for ryzen, you got a more expensive power supply for seemingly no reason, and got a way worse graphics card, all for more money.

Edit: it occurred to me i had a 570 as a placeholder in that parts list, not a 580. my bad.

[NunoLava1998]

2 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

Getting rid of the SSD is a bad move. 

A pretty bad move I'd say. Might as well spend the rest of the 1000$ on an SSD and a better GPU (RX 580 8GB), why not:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($159.89 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($84.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($127.81 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Patriot - Viper Elite 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($109.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($87.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda Pro 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($109.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 580 8GB ARMOR OC Video Card  ($209.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Platinum 550W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $1010.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-27 15:24 EDT-0400

 

[Fasauceome]

Just now, NunoLava1998 said:

A pretty bad move I'd say. Might as well spend the rest of the 1000$ on an SSD and a better GPU (RX 580 8GB), why not:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($159.89 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($84.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($127.81 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Patriot - Viper Elite 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($109.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($87.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda Pro 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($109.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 580 8GB ARMOR OC Video Card  ($209.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Platinum 550W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $1010.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-27 15:24 EDT-0400

 

Still has that pitifully slow ddr4 2400 kit. A dark rock 4 instead of pro 4 or a single terabyte to save money for faster ram will help performance a ton.

[NunoLava1998]

3 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

Still has that pitifully slow ddr4 2400 kit. A dark rock 4 instead of pro 4 or a single terabyte to save money for faster ram will help performance a ton.

He probably doesn't need that cooler, the Ryzen stock cooler is plenty fucking good (even for overclocking); so remove that and get a stupidly faster RAM kit (It's still 2400MHz but the CL is legitimately insane and in DDR3 territory):

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($159.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($127.81 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Corsair - Dominator Platinum 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($199.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($87.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda Pro 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($109.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 580 8GB ARMOR OC Video Card  ($209.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Platinum 550W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $1015.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-27 15:31 EDT-0400

 

[BootyDustBandit]

11 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

Still has that pitifully slow ddr4 2400 kit. A dark rock 4 instead of pro 4 or a single terabyte to save money for faster ram will help performance a ton.

2400 isn't all that bad....but that isn't the memory i meant to put in there in the first place..sorry XD

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, NunoLava1998 said:

He probably doesn't need that cooler, the Ryzen stock cooler is plenty fucking good (even for overclocking); so remove that and get a stupidly faster RAM kit (It's still 2400MHz but the CL is legitimately insane and in DDR3 territory):

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($159.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($127.81 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Corsair - Dominator Platinum 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($199.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($87.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda Pro 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($109.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 580 8GB ARMOR OC Video Card  ($209.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Platinum 550W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $1015.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-27 15:31 EDT-0400

 

The latency of the corsair kit comes to 1/(.12 x 10^9) while the latency of the GeiL kit comes to 1/(.1*10^9), so the GeiL kit is actually still better

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor	$159.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard	$127.81 @ OutletPC
Memory	GeIL - EVO SPEAR 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$115.98 @ Newegg
Storage	ADATA - XPG SX6000 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$54.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$45.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	PowerColor - Radeon RX 580 8GB Video Card	$204.98 @ Newegg
Case	Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case	$49.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$54.89 @ OutletPC
Case Fan	Corsair - Air Series AF120 Quiet Edition 39.9 CFM 120mm Fan	$12.11 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$886.53
	Mail-in rebates	-$60.00
	Total	$826.53
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-27 15:34 EDT-0400

 

[BootyDustBandit]

Just now, fasauceome said:

The latency of the corsair kit comes to 1/(.12 x 10^9) while the latency of the GeiL kit comes to 1/(.1*10^9), so the GeiL kit is actually still better

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor	$159.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard	$127.81 @ OutletPC
Memory	GeIL - EVO SPEAR 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$115.98 @ Newegg
Storage	ADATA - XPG SX6000 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$54.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$45.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	PowerColor - Radeon RX 580 8GB Video Card	$204.98 @ Newegg
Case	Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case	$49.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$54.89 @ OutletPC
Case Fan	Corsair - Air Series AF120 Quiet Edition 39.9 CFM 120mm Fan	$12.11 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$886.53
	Mail-in rebates	-$60.00
	Total	$826.53
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-27 15:34 EDT-0400

 

i went with a hard drive because honestly they need more space...not speed

[NunoLava1998]

2 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

The latency of the corsair kit comes to 1/(.12 x 10^9) while the latency of the GeiL kit comes to 1/(.1*10^9), so the GeiL kit is actually still better

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor	$159.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard	$127.81 @ OutletPC
Memory	GeIL - EVO SPEAR 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$115.98 @ Newegg
Storage	ADATA - XPG SX6000 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$54.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$45.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	PowerColor - Radeon RX 580 8GB Video Card	$204.98 @ Newegg
Case	Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case	$49.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$54.89 @ OutletPC
Case Fan	Corsair - Air Series AF120 Quiet Edition 39.9 CFM 120mm Fan	$12.11 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$886.53
	Mail-in rebates	-$60.00
	Total	$826.53
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-27 15:34 EDT-0400

 

The Corsair kit is CL10 and the GeiL kit is CL16. According to this chart it's literally near double the speed (theoretically):

 

[Fasauceome]

1 hour ago, BootyDustBandit said:

i went with a hard drive because honestly they need more space...not speed

There's no reason to be using a mechanical drive as a boot drive and utility drive these days. A $1000 gaming build will feel clunky and slow with a hard drive, and it's not just for game load times or windows loading, it makes chrome and many other programs installed on it just run better. You're shooting yourself in the foot without an SSD.

 

1 hour ago, NunoLava1998 said:

The Corsair kit is CL10 and the GeiL kit is CL16

Yes I am aware. I calculated the latency using 1/(frequency/2)*latencyMultiplier to get the actual access time of the dimm

edit: slight miscalculation, the GeiL kit is 1.066x10^-8 and the Corsair kit is 8.33x10^-9 so the corsair kit is faster

[BootyDustBandit]

Just now, fasauceome said:

There's no reason to be using a mechanical drive as a boot drive and utility drive these days. A $1000 gaming build will feel clunky and slow with a hard drive, and it's not just for game load times or windows loading, it makes chrome and many other programs installed on it just run better. You're shooting yourself in the foot without an SSD.

maybe a PCI m.2 raid 0 card?

[Fasauceome]

Just now, BootyDustBandit said:

maybe a PCI m.2 raid 0 card?

What? why would you bother with that? The gains would be negligible and the risk quite great. In fact, the only reason I recommend an M.2 over a SATA SSD is to reduce clutter. Slapping an expansion card in there would kind of defeat the purpose

[BootyDustBandit]

6 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

What? why would you bother with that? The gains would be negligible and the risk quite great. In fact, the only reason I recommend an M.2 over a SATA SSD is to reduce clutter. Slapping an expansion card in there would kind of defeat the purpose

well the build is gonna need more storage....you wont believe how many games my siblings get...and i don't plan to come on here and wipe the games they don't play every time they wat a new one