Possible ram choice issues?

[_Grid21]

A few months ago, quite a few members on here helped me pick out a new system build, thanks again for that, but upon looking at the ram I noticed that not only did the ram say Z370, but only seemed to work for Intel platform when I am trying to find ram, and yes RGB ram, for the X470 for the Ryzen 2700x. I feel like though ram is ram and as long as it fits the pin count and is fast enough, in this case, it seems the Ryzen needs 3200Mhz, then either set should be fine right? 

 

This is the build from PC part picker: 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor	$304.89 @ OutletPC
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master - MasterLiquid Lite 240 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	$54.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard	Asus - Prime X470-Pro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$158.55 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$149.89 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$668.32
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-22 15:20 EDT-0400

These are the 2 set of ram that seemed like they were only for Intel

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232391&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker, LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232476&cm_re=G.SKILL_TridentZ_RGB-_-20-232-476-_-Product

 

[Derrk]

1 minute ago, _Grid21 said:

These are the 2 set of ram that seemed like they were only for Intel

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232391&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker, LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232476&cm_re=G.SKILL_TridentZ_RGB-_-20-232-476-_-Product

 

Neither of these are bad choices for ryzen. I'd keep CAS latency in mind while you shop. Cas16 is fine, but if you can get lower latency, it'll improve performance. Of course can probably tune these ones down to 15 - Just something to keep in mind 

[_Grid21]

1 minute ago, Derrk said:

Neither of these are bad choices for ryzen. I'd keep CAS latency in mind while you shop. Cas16 is fine, but if you can get lower latency, it'll improve performance. Of course can probably tune these ones down to 15 - Just something to keep in mind 

I am not familiar with what "CAS" means. Wouldn't slower clocks be bad?

[Derrk]

2 minutes ago, _Grid21 said:

I am not familiar with what "CAS" means. Wouldn't slower clocks be bad?

Latency is the amount of time it takes to perform a task, so a lower number is actually faster.

Here, i stole this but hopefully it helps explain it:

 

The frequency is expressed in Hertz, which means "cycles per second". So, the DDR3 2000 will perform 2000 cycles a second while the DDR3 1600 will do, well, 1600.

The CAS latency is given in cycles. So, a CAS9 RAM will take 9 cycles to respond and the CAS6, 6 cycles.

Now putting it together: the DDR3 2000 CAS9 will take 9/2000 seconds, which is equal to 0,0045 seconds, to respond while the DDR3 1600 CAS 6 will take 6/1600, which is equal to 0,0038 seconds, to respond. Thus, the 1600 one is faster.

[_Grid21]

30 minutes ago, Derrk said:

Latency is the amount of time it takes to perform a task, so a lower number is actually faster.

Here, i stole this but hopefully it helps explain it:

 

The frequency is expressed in Hertz, which means "cycles per second". So, the DDR3 2000 will perform 2000 cycles a second while the DDR3 1600 will do, well, 1600.

The CAS latency is given in cycles. So, a CAS9 RAM will take 9 cycles to respond and the CAS6, 6 cycles.

Now putting it together: the DDR3 2000 CAS9 will take 9/2000 seconds, which is equal to 0,0045 seconds, to respond while the DDR3 1600 CAS 6 will take 6/1600, which is equal to 0,0038 seconds, to respond. Thus, the 1600 one is faster.

Would you mind recommending me ram that would work for the motherboard and Ryzen 2700x that's also RGB? 

[Derrk]

1 minute ago, _Grid21 said:

Would you mind recommending me ram that would work for the motherboard and Ryzen 2700x that's also RGB? 

both the guys you listed should work fine with ryzen 2700x. 

But if you want RGB, CAS 14, and Samsung B-die, go for this (it's not cheap)

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232649

 

I use team dark pro which is CAS 14, Samsung B-die, but no rgb. I got it for $200 but it has awesome heat spreaders and i was able to tune some of the timings even lower.

 

Something to keep in mind: i think ram prices are on the decline and will continue to get more affordable. You'll also probably be able to snag some really good prices around black friday if you're willing to wait

[_Grid21]

16 minutes ago, Derrk said:

both the guys you listed should work fine with ryzen 2700x. 

But if you want RGB, CAS 14, and Samsung B-die, go for this (it's not cheap)

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232649

 

I use team dark pro which is CAS 14, Samsung B-die, but no rgb. I got it for $200 but it has awesome heat spreaders and i was able to tune some of the timings even lower.

 

Something to keep in mind: i think ram prices are on the decline and will continue to get more affordable. You'll also probably be able to snag some really good prices around black friday if you're willing to wait

Why do lower timings cost more exactly? I mean does really take that much to program ram modules? Also, lets say I go with the higher timings, is it possible to manually turn them down? Mind you though, I've never done manual timing before and only did Mhz timing with my Z87-A board by letting the XMP profile do it for me.

[Derrk]

1 minute ago, _Grid21 said:

Why do lower timings cost more exactly? I mean does really take that much to program ram modules? Also, lets say I go with the higher timings, is it possible to manually turn them down? Mind you though, I've never done manual timing before and only did Mhz timing with my Z87-A board by letting the XMP profile do it for me.

well its mostly the hardware that results in better timings, rather than software to program the modules. And yes, you can tune CAS16 down to CAS15 (maybe even 14) but you'll have to add a lot of voltage to your memory to do it. In which case you'd want to get memory with really good heat spreaders - maybe even a small fan pointed at your memory